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I fully believe that if the decision WM made post Buffalo had been made during spring practice (six months earlier) we would be preparing for a bowl game as we speak and the off season decisions would be how to upgrade the defensive coaching (redeploy Wholley, replace Hughes & Perkins), Unfortunately for TJ, not enough has been accomplished and there is a perception issue to deal with with our hire. We need to make it clear the to college football world that we are taking this very seriously.

One thing that also needs to be added to this equation is that the offense started performing at a consistent level after Day was given play calling duties (and Casey became starter). TJ as WR coach is as good as we've had here and I don't like the idea of losing him but there are more important things than having a quality WR coach. I was told by a few people close to the program ~ game three in 2012 that if GDL was given the boot, Foley was returned to OL coach and Day took over OC duties, we could beat anyone on our schedule. I believe that what transpired post P/GDL this season was pretty good evidence that those opinions did have some validity.

The brightest part of what happened today was that we have reached the point where we can legitimately begin moving forward from the prior regime. That is all officially behind us. We may well lose some quality assistants in the transition but this is a necessary part of the process. We will do well going forward, the position here is far more desirable than many boneyarders want to believe.
 
You have a guy maybe two in mind. If they say no then take the in-house guy. I know it was Memphis but the Receivers have improved and the O-Line that was a mess is better. I mean say what you want the guy has pushed all of the right buttons. Another coach another playbook maybe, maybe not unless you get what you want.
 
Jimmy Serrano said:
How about the other 5? We're here because we made a small time, easy, short sighted hire 3 years ago. Amazing people want to go down that road again.
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Weist isn't Pasqualoni, but in your head that hire would be the same thing. Good to know.
 
UConn07 said:
Weist isn't Pasqualoni, but in your head that hire would be the same thing. Good to know.
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I'm not surprised there's a lot of emotional sentiment for TJ given how this board overreacts to everything. And nobody knows if TJ will be successful here or not. But to give a guy, who up until this year was a career position coach, this job because we beat 3 dreadful teams is just so stupid it's hard to wrap my mind around.

Given that you're wrong about just nearly everything, I would like to see someone new brought in.
 
Jimmy Serrano said:
But to give a guy, who up until this year was a career position coach, this job because we beat 3 dreadful teams is just so stupid it's hard to wrap my mind around.
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If you are going to build a case against TJ do it with facts. Your statement is not factual.

and get off your high horse while you search for some facts.
 
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rich1122 said:
You have a guy maybe two in mind. If they say no then take the in-house guy. I know it was Memphis but the Receivers have improved and the O-Line that was a mess is better. I mean say what you want the guy has pushed all of the right buttons. Another coach another playbook maybe, maybe not unless you get what you want.
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I'm guessing the candidate list (of quality names to speak with about the position) has far more than a guy, maybe two. I would wager that beyond the Narduzzi-Lembo-Clawson-Herman names that we do know about there are about triple that number of equally qualified candidates that we don't know, every one capable of creating more buzz and presenting the likelyhood (nothing is guaranteed) of better results than making TJ permanent. Granted, a large number of names on the list won't see this job as want they are ideally looking for but that doesn't mean that none of the candidates will say yes.

I doubt that WM will hire outside of the current interim HC just to get rid of TJ but I seriously doubt that we cannot find a better candidate than TJ and unfortunately for TJ, we are not in a position where we can say 'let's see what he can do over the next year or two". Among the many things we are fighting is the propaganda that we are not a football school and have no desire to ever take football seriously. Making TJ permanent will not only prevent us from fighting that perception, it will give our detractors reason to chirp even louder. This hire needs to accomplish many things and one is to be a shot across the bow to those detractors. When RE left, if TJ had been here he may have been a great choice. Unfortunately for TJ, too much damage has occurred and we need to make a much bigger splash.
 
Marty Jackson said:
says you....
people were also certain that Shaka or Stevens would be the better choice than Ollie.
Ollie's book isn't nearly complete, but after 1+ seasons, that hire is looking pretty good.
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Ollie also had the endorsement of a Hall of Fame legend.... a legend who stepped down late into the process to ensure that his head-coach in waiting got the interim spot with a chance to prove himself. In Ollie's first game he beat Michigan State... Weist lost to USF and four other teams before figuring out how to beat the three teams at the bottom of the conference standings. Weist deserves credit for the finish... but is far from a shoe-in and the process needs to play out. If Manuel judges him the best after a full set of interviews so-be-it, but he should not be anointed (winning 38% of your games is not earning it on the field). Ollie earned his deal through the results he demonstrated.
 
UConnDan97 said:
I've heard this comment a lot recently, and it shocks me that people don't understand that the Pasqualoni hire was not the small time, easy choice three years ago. He was the "known commodity, bigger name, expensive" hire. The results of that were clear.

What Marty is advocating is NOT what we just did with Pasqualoni. It's quite the opposite: a younger coach with a "more modern" style of offense, with more charisma and energy, but without the name or pedigree.

I'm not saying TJ is the right choice. What I'm saying is that your reasons for it being the wrong choice aren't applicable...
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It was the smallest time decision in college football history. That some people recognized his name doesn't change that.

He was known all right. Known as someone who should have never been contacted.
 
Clean house period! Including TJW and Foley. Let the new HC decide who he wants as coordinators/position coach etc... New Identity Please!
 
joey3$trike$ said:
Clean house period! Including TJW and Foley. Let the new HC decide who he wants as coordinators/position coach etc... New Identity Please!
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While we're at it let's get rid of all the existing players too. That would definitely mean a new identity wouldn't it?

Seriously, you're being a bit tone deaf on a day when we had a great team performance (albeit against a really bad football team).
 
joey3$trike$ said:
Clean house period! Including TJW and Foley. Let the new HC decide who he wants as coordinators/position coach etc... New Identity Please!
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I think the team finally established an offensive identity the last 4 games (yes, including the SMU loss). I really like the concepts.
 
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huskysupporter said:
I think the team finally established an offensive identity the last 4 games (yes, including the SMU loss). I really like the concepts.
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if throwing 50 times in a blowout win and throwing the ball every down in the 4th qtr up 4 scores, are good concepts to you so be it.
 
joey3$trike$ said:
if throwing 50 times in a blowout win and throwing the ball every down in the 4th qtr up 4 scores, are good concepts to you so be it.
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So you're saying you were unsatisfied with today's win?

Listen, we weren't perfect but try to be happy about what went right (a lot of things) as opposed to the few things that were not (KO coverage, secondary play, maybe a bit pass heavy at the end with a big lead).

Not trying to pick on you in particular but I just don't get how people cannot be happy with a blowout win even over a crappy opponent.
 
By the way, I'm just listening to the post-game stuff and TJW addresses the passing offense at the end. Wanted to get Davis to 1,000 yards and a record catching day and Casey a record throwing day. Wanted to build them momentum for next year.

I saw him speaking to Fuentes after the game and you could tell this was a subject of conversation. I'm OK with it.
 
whaler11 said:
It was the smallest time decision in college football history. That some people recognized his name doesn't change that.

He was known all right. Known as someone who should have never been contacted.
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Except that somebody forgot to tell that to the Miami Dolphins and the Dallas Cowboys. Don't let the fact that top-level organizations thought differently than you change your opinion on the subject.

Just to refresh your memories, the most small-time thing that could have been done would have been to just keep Hank Hughes as the full time coach (he was interim), and save a million a year...
 
UConnDan97 said:
Just to refresh your memories, the most small-time thing that could have been done would have been to just keep Hank Hughes as the full time coach (he was interim), and save a million a year...
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or Joe Moorhead, which in hindsight would have been a much better decision.

are we about to make the same mistake by not promoting from within?
 
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UConnDan97 said:
Except that somebody forgot to tell that to the Miami Dolphins and the Dallas Cowboys. Don't let the fact that top-level organizations thought differently
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NFL teams, yes. Top-level? Not so much.
 
jbdphi said:
While we're at it let's get rid of all the existing players too. That would definitely mean a new identity wouldn't it?

Seriously, you're being a bit tone deaf on a day when we had a great team performance (albeit against a really bad football team).
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Yeah and change the mascot!

Uh, wait nevermind...
 
metsfan2323 said:
If you are going to build a case against TJ do it with facts. Your statement is not factual.

and get off your high horse while you search for some facts.
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Sorry was he an OC at Western Kentucky or something?

I like TJ. And today is not the day to be making this case. I trust WM more than most here. I'll lay low because apparently this hurts people's sensitivities.
 
joey3$trike$ said:
if throwing 50 times in a blowout win and throwing the ball every down in the 4th qtr up 4 scores, are good concepts to you so be it.
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You'd make a lousy Baylor or Oregon or FSU fan. Are you a CT high school FB coach? Waaaaaaa....

It was a message he was sending to fans. UConn can score points. Momentum for players to feed off during the winter.

Smart coach.
 
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ruskin said:
Quick: give me total of their combined playoff wins in last nine years.
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I'll do you one better: in the last nine years, the Cowboys have had only 1 losing season. 1 out of 9, in the age of the salary cap and with the eventual Superbowl champion in their division twice.

I'm not going to make this discussion thread a defense of the friggin' Cowboys organization, because quite frankly, anyone with a pulse would be willing to admit that they are a quality football organization. The point is that the Pasqualoni hire, although disastrous in effect, was not made to be small-time. It just happened to be wrong...
 
UConnDan97 said:
I'll do you one better: in the last nine years, the Cowboys have had only 1 losing season. 1 out of 9, in the age of the salary cap and with the eventual Superbowl champion in their division twice.

I'm not going to make this discussion thread a defense of the friggin' Cowboys organization, because quite frankly, anyone with a pulse would be willing to admit that they are a quality football organization. The point is that the Pasqualoni hire, although disastrous in effect, was not made to be small-time. It just happened to be wrong...
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Seriously, PP was a serviceable position coach/coordinator in the league whose time as a leader had long since passed. His pal GDL was only getting jobs because of the old-boy network thing. If JH/McHugh had bothered to ask P who he was bringing in as coordinators and put the kibosh on GDL MAYBE P would have done better here. But P signed everyone's death warrant when he dragged his buddy here.
 
ruskin said:
Seriously, PP was a serviceable position coach/coordinator in the league whose time as a leader had long since passed. His pal GDL was only getting jobs because of the old-boy network thing. If JH/McHugh had bothered to ask P who he was bringing in as coordinators and put the kibosh on GDL MAYBE P would have done better here. But P signed everyone's death warrant when he dragged his buddy here.
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The point is that JH and McHugh were not qualified to assess the assistants any more than they were qualified to assess the head coach. PP ran a clean program and got some good recruits in the door; for that, I thank him. For taking a successful run game....and a successful program....and bringing it to mediocrity, I regret his time at UConn (obviously).

I have been critical of Warde on certain subjects that I think were reasonable to be critical of, but I'll say this: He's a football guy. He's a big-time football guy. As such, I have faith that he'll be able to make a quality decision for the football program...

Addendum: One of the early football decisions from Warde? Bringing in TJ...just sayin'...
 
UConnDan97 said:
Except that somebody forgot to tell that to the Miami Dolphins and the Dallas Cowboys. Don't let the fact that top-level organizations thought differently than you change your opinion on the subject.

Just to refresh your memories, the most small-time thing that could have been done would have been to just keep Hank Hughes as the full time coach (he was interim), and save a million a year...
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Well one of those teams fired him and the other should have and probably would have.

If you want to be the guy defending Paul Pasqualoni... that's fine but it was a terrible hire and plenty of people knew it.
 
whaler11 said:
Well one of those teams fired him and the other should have and probably would have.

If you want to be the guy defending Paul Pasqualoni... that's fine but it was a terrible hire and plenty of people knew it.
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Have you turned stupid over the last 24 hours? It's a serious question.

First, you spent an entire thread bitching about not choosing the wind during the right quarter, during a game that we won 45 - 10. Now, you believe that my comments on Pasqualoni were in defense of him as a coach? Holy Christ!

My comments on PP were that he wasn't a "small-time" hire. The expectation from the people involved in hiring him was that he was a highly competent, highly decorated coach with NFL experience. They paid him commensurate to that expectation. They went for the "trusted name", despite the high cost and age. That is not a friggin' defense of PP. I'm beyond surprised that you couldn't decipher that from my previous posts...
 
UConnDan97 said:
Have you turned stupid over the last 24 hours? It's a serious question.

First, you spent an entire thread bitching about not choosing the wind during the right quarter, during a game that we won 45 - 10. Now, you believe that my comments on Pasqualoni were in defense of him as a coach? Holy Christ!

My comments on PP were that he wasn't a "small-time" hire. The expectation from the people involved in hiring him was that he was a highly competent, highly decorated coach with NFL experience. They paid him commensurate to that expectation. They went for the "trusted name", despite the high cost and age. That is not a friggin' defense of PP. I'm beyond surprised that you couldn't decipher that from my previous posts...
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I've been stupid a lot longer than 24 hours.

The outcome doesn't change the fact they got the wind wrong. You can make bad decisions and win, Les Miles gets paid millions to do so.

They might not have thought it was a small time hire - that doesn't change the fact it was.
 
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