The Warriors

[tjc1888]

Theres this thing called "trading" in pro sports too ya know.

but when 95% of your roster is untradeable (either bad contracts or guys like Kyrie/Love/LBJ), what are you going to do?

Ok, if hes saying they need to trade for one.No one is taking those horrible contracts that Gilbert gave out to appease LJ. He made his bed by forcing Gilbert's hand. He needs to lay in it. He has a cake walk to the finals again. If it were up to LBJ, his team would be the all-star/Olympic team and everyone else would be the Nets.

 

[BUConn10]

just because you made the statement "95% of your roster is untradeable" in another post doesnt make it fact. Did you just use your own words as a citation?

Guys like Shump (whose an athlete but a sub par basketball player), frye, korver, even JR smith and their future picks hold value enough to obtain a specialist they are looking for if they are motivated to do so. Teams with no hope for the current period will gladly mortgage their now for some future picks on a volatile team that can be blown up over the next few seasons.

 

[tjc1888]

just because you made the statement "95% of your roster is untradeable" in another post doesnt make it fact. Did you just use your own words as a citation?

Guys like Shump (whose an athlete but a sub par basketball player), frye, korver, even JR smith and their future picks hold value enough to obtain a specialist they are looking for if they are motivated to do so. Teams with no hope for the current period will gladly mortgage their now for some future picks on a volatile team that can be blown up over the next few seasons.

I quoted myself because you made it seem like I didn't address that. However, to the actual content of what I said. I stand by it.......despite it not being fact. 99.9% of the stuff throw around on this board is not fact.

 

[Matrim55]

99.9% of the stuff throw around on this board is not fact.

FACT!

EDIT: Also, I'm a Warriors fan who lives in Berkeley. And I think that Gilbert is kind of screwing LeBron by not going out and using every resource available to build as good a team as possible around him.

 

[tjc1888]

FACT!

EDIT: Also, I'm a Warriors fan who lives in Berkeley. And I think that Gilbert is kind of screwing LeBron by not going out and using every resource available to build as good a team as possible around him.

Nice.....I live in SF, but not a Warriors fan . My NBA fandom as tailed off in the recent years, so don't even know why I'm in this thread.

 

[BUConn10]

Nice.....I live in SF, but not a Warriors fan . My NBA fandom as tailed off in the recent years, so don't even know why I'm in this thread.

... my point exactly.

 

[tjc1888]

... my point exactly.

What was your point? That I didn't know trades could happen in the NBA. Thanks man. I really appreciate the update. Glad you have brought me so much enlightenment. You have brought so much to this conversation.

 

[BUConn10]

What was your point? That I didn't know trades could happen in the NBA. Thanks man. I really appreciate the update. Glad you have brought me so much enlightenment. You have brought so much to this conversation.

My point was that its funny that someone who admits to not following the NBA so closely can be so sure that 95% of the Cavs roster is untradable and that they are tied up and unable to make any conceivable moves.

 

[tjc1888]

My point was that its funny that someone who admits to not following the NBA so closely can be so sure that 95% of the Cavs roster is untradable and that they are tied up and unable to make any conceivable moves.

I follow it enough to know that no one wants 3-4 more years of TT, JR or Shump at their current contracts. They serve their role on the Cavs. Teams that are bottoming out usually want expiring contracts and to shed contracts not take on 3-4 years of overpaying role players. Furthermore, they are not trading Love, Kyrie, or LBJ. Going down the list......they are over the cap, so any trades they would make would have to be within 15% of the cap they are trading (with the exception they have a little more than that) So James Jones, Anderson, Liggins, Felder, Mcrae, serve very little purpose in obtaining an difference maker in a trade.

No one bottoming out wants 3 more years of Richard Jefferson or wants Channing Frye for 2 years.

Their picks are essentially worthless, since they are top 3 in the league every year they aren't going anywhere with their roster. But even if they weren't. They don't have a 2017 pick. They can't trade 2018 (rules say you can't trade consecutive first rounders). Don't have a 2019 pick and can't trade their 2020 pick for the same reason.

So essentially you are left with Kyle Korver. Who the JUST traded for.

So yes thank you for proving MY point.

 

[BUConn10]

I follow it enough to know that no one wants 3-4 more years of TT, JR or Shump at their current contracts. They serve their role on the Cavs. Teams that are bottoming out usually want expiring contracts and to shed contracts not take on 3-4 years of overpaying role players. Furthermore, they are not trading Love, Kyrie, or LBJ. Going down the list.they are over the cap, so any trades they would make would have to be within 15% of the cap they are trading (with the exception they have a little more than that) So James Jones, Anderson, Liggins, Felder, Mcrae, serve very little purpose in obtaining an difference maker in a trade.

No one bottoming out wants 3 more years of Richard Jefferson or wants Channing Frye for 2 years.

Their picks are essentially worthless, since they are top 3 in the league every year they aren't going anywhere with their roster. But even if they weren't. They don't have a 2017 pick. They can't trade 2018 (rules say you can't trade consecutive first rounders). Don't have a 2019 pick and can't trade their 2020 pick for the same reason.

So essentially you are left with Kyle Korver. Who the JUST traded for.

So yes thank you for proving MY point.

You completely miss how trades work though. Teams take on awful bloated contracts all the time, its called clearing cap space when you aren't competitive. Its how the NBA has been for decades now, read up on it before making claims like 99%.

 

[tjc1888]

You completely miss how trades work though. Teams take on awful bloated contracts all the time, its called clearing cap space when you aren't competitive. Its how the NBA has been for decades now, read up on it before making claims like 99%.

Lol. You are totally right they do........WHEN THEY ARE EXPIRING. None of the cavs bloated contracts are expiring. How can you clear cap space taking on 13-14 million dollar player that's on the books for 3 more years. I would love to know because maybe the knicks can talk a team into taking Noah's contract. Maybe you should read up on the NBA and how it's been working for decades now. Good try though.

Maybe you don't know what expiring means....it means it's the last year of their contract.

 

[Dream Jobbed 2.0]

Cavs just need da god Ben allah

 

[BUConn10]

Lol. You are totally right they do...WHEN THEY ARE EXPIRING. None of the cavs bloated contracts are expiring. How can you clear cap space taking on 13-14 million dollar player that's on the books for 3 more years. I would love to know because maybe the knicks can talk a team into taking Noah's contract. Maybe you should read up on the NBA and how it's been working for decades now. Good try though.

Maybe you don't know what expiring means....it means it's the last year of their contract.

So what you are saying then is that if between now and the trade deadline the Cavs make a move... then you'd be wrong right?


Also since you're numbers seem off, the only players on te Cavs with 3 years left on their contracts are their starting 5 (incl JR Smith). The rest of the bench roster expires by 2018 at the latest, Korver, Jones, Anderson are ~$9M off the books next year, with another $10M comin off the books the year after that. Teams have taken on way worse for much less.

 

[champs99and04]

Again I really think this is the case of a kid not getting good counseling/advice. Since childhood he was anointed and I suspect ego trumped humility from then on.

Like the Announcement (or whatever they call it) he erred in judgement and should have kept this private. Its another mistake he made with the expected consequences (i.e. criticism) you described. Jordan did the same publicly complaining about acquisitions, most notably George Gervin. Magic as well with Norm Nixon and later Kobe with Shaq.

It must be tough to see GSW make an acquisition of the caliber of Durant even though they didn't need him. Sit down with management privately and discuss how to make the team better and support management, especially if they are making the effort. To beg for mid-season acquisitions creates stress on the current players along with insecurities and distrust.

The kid is a great basketball player, now with several Championships. If he can win more with the squad he has then his legacy will be up there with Jordan, Kobe and the other true Greats. Him and Kyrie could win another one or two, because of himself, 'Lebron James', always in the Finals. The stat below is quite remarkable even if his team is out of the Eastern Division. Even if his career were to end this season he has lived up to his name and unlike many other Greats in his class he has represented himself with class, dignity and self respect (on and off the court).

LEBRON'S FINALS (YEAR OPPONENT CHANCE TO WIN)
2007 San Antonio Spurs 13%
2011 Dallas Mavericks 63
2012 Oklahoma City Thunder 51
2013 San Antonio Spurs 66
2014 San Antonio Spurs 31
2015 Golden State Warriors 28
2016 Golden State Warriors 25

Say what? LeBron is in a different stratosphere than Kobe.

As for the Warriors, they're the greatest team of all-time. It's unfathomable how good they are. Nobody else has a chance. They're so good that they could lose Curry or Durant and still win it all.

 

[tjc1888]

So what you are saying then is that if between now and the trade deadline the Cavs make a move... then you'd be wrong right?

Not exactly. I would say if they made a trade that made their team significantly better, than yes I would be wrong. As @Matrim55 pointed out, they have a $4-5 million trade exception so they could trade Anderson or James Jones and get someone in the $5-6 million range. I don't think there are impactful players in that salary range that a) significantly improve your roster b) teams are willing to give up....if they would in fact significantly improve your roster (why would a team give up an impactful player making $6 million; if they were just getting Chris Anderson in return, because as I said in another post, they do not have 1st rd draft picks to trade.

Also since you're numbers seem off, the only players on te Cavs with 3 years left on their contracts are their starting 5 (incl JR Smith). The rest of the bench roster expires by 2018 at the latest, Korver, Jones, Anderson are ~$9M off the books next year, with another $10M comin off the books the year after that. Teams have taken on way worse for much less.

Correct Korver, Jones, and Anderson are off the books next year. However once again, as I said in another post, they just traded for Kyle Korver and they gave up a first rounder. So why would they flip him, considering they gave a draft pick, he's cheap, and fills a need (especially with JR down)

So that leaves us with Jones and Anderson. The Cavs could trade these two guys and their trade exception for a $5-6 million dollar player. This is where @Matrim55 and I disagree. I don't think LBJ was talking about someone like Shelvin Mack or Mario Chalmers (working out for them) when he said "playmaker", but who knows what he meant.

So you were right- Maybe I exaggerated when I said 95% is untradeable, they have 2-3 guys they could trade. I apologize. My point was, I don't think they can get a player of the caliber that I think LBJ was talking about. Once again, who knows what kind of caliber player he was talking about, I made my own assumption as well as the rest of the sports world.

 

[Dove]

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