The View From Section 241

[NEforceUConn]

How do you have a delay of game penalty coming off of a turnover? How does that happen?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Especially with 3 time outs in your pocket.

 

[RedSoloCup]

This is right on. PP and GDL coach a system.


3. Be able to coach/ teach layers to lay at a higher level

This does explain a lot, especially last year's photo shoot

 

[upstater]

I'm sure you'll tell us all about the sanctity of grad school. You can't advocate for jucos and let players like Frey leave over admission to a grad program.

That sounds like an eminently sane position.

Especially when you can't even seem to understand the facts of the case. Frey needed credentials to practice in PA, something UConn couldn't provide him.

 

[Carl Spackler]

FWIW - I also don't know how you get called for an illegal low block on a kick return, when you are the kicking team. Lots of head scratching moments last night.

 

[upstater]

I just don't know if even a top rated coach can do much with the talent level currently on board. Most of it is just not BCS level.......and as someone correctly pointed out......a good portion of UConn's competition (meaning actual offers, not just interest) for the athletes still comes from the FCS and non "power 5" BCS ranks.

But I made this point about UConn's level of recruit to show that you can find plenty of talented players in those ranks, as evidenced by all the players that UConn sent to the NFL. They are in the 20s now with NFL players. That's higher than many programs that recruit players with more stars.

 

[zls44]

FWIW - I also don't know how you get called for an illegal low block on a kick return, when you are the kicking team. Lots of head scratching moments last night.

The KICKER!!!!!! Of all the people!

Especially with 3 time outs in your pocket.

The American Psychological Association lists this as the definition of true insanity.*











*May have made that up, but you believed it until you got here, didn't you?

 

[FfldCntyFan]

Recruiting and talent (natural FB ability) can overcome most (a lot of) deficiencies in coaching. And sometimes bad coaching can sour talent. In UConn's case, I think it's the former.

I just don't know if even a top rated coach can do much with the talent level currently on board. Most of it is just not BCS level.......and as someone correctly pointed out......a good portion of UConn's competition (meaning actual offers, not just interest) for the athletes still comes from the FCS and non "power 5" BCS ranks.

I've never played the game, but the confusion everywhere makes equate it to me preparing for the first day of college classes and forgetting how to get dressed after I get out of bed......you would think there's got to be some natural ability at this point in their athletic development.

This is where something still does not compute (at least in my mind). We hear continually about the lack of talent here when P arrived and about how improved our recruiting is over what we used to bring in yet, we see so few of these more talented P recruits playing over the talent deficient RE recruits.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

Especially with 3 time outs in your pocket.

Hey, we actually used five of our six TO's yesterday. That has to be a record for the P regime!

 

[J187Money]

I think Nelson by and large is mostly a pessimist, but that post just about sums it up.

The combination of P and conference realignment may have just torpedoed our program permanently. If only things happened a couple years earlier, we would be in the ACC and perusing for a few rough seasons, but there would be a future.

Now? I'm not sure we can even get back to a perennial bowl program.

The whole thing just sucks and is pretty sad.

This is just a silly thing to say. So nobody from the AAC can go to bowls. Ever. We are doomed to be worse than Memphis and Temple for eternity. Jeez.

 

[TouchdownHusky]

Recruiting and talent (natural FB ability) can overcome most (a lot of) deficiencies in coaching. And sometimes bad coaching can sour talent. In UConn's case, I think it's the former.

I just don't know if even a top rated coach can do much with the talent level currently on board. Most of it is just not BCS level.......and as someone correctly pointed out......a good portion of UConn's competition (meaning actual offers, not just interest) for the athletes still comes from the FCS and non "power 5" BCS ranks.

I've never played the game, but the confusion everywhere makes equate it to me preparing for the first day of college classes and forgetting how to get dressed after I get out of bed......you would think there's got to be some natural ability at this point in their athletic development.

Please save and repost periodically. College football is all about recruiting and talent levels. We've had many fans downplay the "Star system" as meaningless, yet these players end up at other programs that are more talented than UConn. I have always maintained the view that what is most important is the programs that UConn beats out is the biggest tell tale.

If UConn were to be beating out Iowa, Maryland, UNC, Kentucky, Illinois that would be one thing. But if they are in the mix with the likes of Temple, Buffalo, Kent State, New Hampshire and UMass then . . . . Well no wonder we don't compete well with the big boys anymore.

 

[whaler11]

That sounds like an eminently sane position.

Especially when you can't even seem to understand the facts of the case. Frey needed credentials to practice in PA, something UConn couldn't provide him.

Yes that's how they spun it afterwards.

It's a sane position if you don't care about competing in football at the highest level.

 

[upstater]

Please save and repost periodically. College football is all about recruiting and talent levels. We've had many fans downplay the "Star system" as meaningless, yet these players end up at other programs that are more talented than UConn. I have always maintained the view that what is most important is the programs that UConn beats out is the biggest tell tale.

If UConn were to be beating out Iowa, Maryland, UNC, Kentucky, Illinois that would be one thing. But if they are in the mix with the likes of Temple, Buffalo, Kent State, New Hampshire and UMass then . . . . Well no wonder we don't compete well with the big boys anymore.

And I've given you stats to the contrary. UConn has a lot of players in the NFL. Is that NOT a measure of talent? I've also shown how lightly recruited the state is. While only 2% of two-star players make the NFL nationally, Connecticut's rate is higher than 25%. 11 of 41 over the last 5 years.

Maybe UConn has had bad luck in the past because we beat schools like Penn State, UCLA, West Virginia, Florida, Rutgers, South Carolina, Syracuse, Louisville, Kentucky, Florida, Iowa, Kansas St., Missouri, Nebraska, North Carolina, Purdue, Wisconsin, Indiana, Minnesota, NC State, Auburn, Virginia, Cincy, Michigan St, Boston Coll., Virginia Tech, Tennessee

Seth Fogarty, Donnell Ford, Afa Anoia, Donald Brown, Kitt Pommels, Matthew Lawrence, Harold Stanback, Ken Tinney, Maurice McLellan, Todd Dorcelus, Lawrence Green, James Nixon, Brad Kanuch, Greg Robinson, Jarvis Hicks, Jarrell Miller, Dwayne Gratz, Jimmy Bennett, Dwayne Difton, Steve Greene, Malik Generett, Leon Kinnard.

That's 22 players. UConn beat out peer or bigger football schools for these guys. Only Donald Brown and Dwayne Gratz panned out. Bennett has been middling... Greene is a little better.

This basically is showing that UConn has had a lot more success putting 2 star players in the NFL than it has with 3 and 4 star kids.

 

[upstater]

Yes that's how they spun it afterwards.

It's a sane position if you don't care about competing in football at the highest level.

Do you realize how absurd you sound?

 

[whaler11]

I am glad to see Ford mentioned. I wish I could share my stories about him.

 

[whaler11]

Do you realize how absurd you sound?

It's absurd that schools that take football seriously ignore academics for the football team? Someone should tell the University of North Carolina - all those fake classes are going to hurt them in the eyes of a few hundred academics who can't see past their own navels.

 

[UConnDan97]

Frey was being helped into the UConn Grad program by PP. He chose PA because he was from there and his girlfriend/fiancée was there. This has been hashed to death and covered in the media. My goodness...we have more than enough things to complain about from last night, and Robbie Frey doesn't need to be one of them...

 

[upstater]

It's absurd that schools that take football seriously ignore academics for the football team? Someone should tell the University of North Carolina - all those fake classes are going to hurt them in the eyes of a few hundred academics who can't see past their own navels.

No, I'm not arguing UConn shouldn't have fake classes. I don't have much interest in that discussion. I am sitting here listening to you argue that Frey going to Ed. school at UConn is the difference between a serious program and an unserious one. Absurd.

 

[rich1122]

I was going to start another thread for this, but it will fit here. Too many threads on the same stuff already.

When did P and GDL know? That this system was going to be a complete failure.

Picture P after year 1. 5-7 could have made a bowl and won a few more games. McCombs rushes for 1,000 yards. He picks up Whitmer and he has upgraded QB. He gets Phillips and Davis is a stud. So he doubles down on the system and figures that he can improve McCombs YPC and improve the pass game with Whitmer. But this was a round peg in a square hole and they did not, as coaches, figure out how to make this work AT ALL. So they take basically the same guys this year and triple down - we get 13 yards rushing in the first half. If you heard P on TIC he just plainly admitted the OLine gets no push and that he had to pass in situations that he should not have.

Weist must be pulling his hair out. Give Weist credit for this. The receivers are better and the pass game is better. If we ran the ball 150 yards per week, we would keep the D off of the field.

The D I am not sure. It has to be talent. The LB's are the biggest disappointment. And why absolutely no pressure on the QB is beyond me. Last year, the same guys had sacks and the were younger . Norris becomes a TE and started last year??? Something weird here.

Executive Overview
Somewhere in the scheme they had to have known that this was disaster yet they just stuck with this mess.

I think that the talent level is about the same as was under RE, except we always had two or three NFL caliber guys to carry the load. I can't think of one except Smallwood and maybe Davis. Edsall left us with no D1 QB and evidently not much in the way of an OL. Endres smoked his way off of the team. He pushed Todman out. Frye the heir apparent got out of town. The cupboard was. let's say, barer than usual and along comes these two guys who were going to reinvent the wheel. A perfect storm of square peg round hole, stubbornness to compromise, and recipe for failure. I guarantee that if you interviewed any of the coaches that left, they would have told you that that they had told P that he was full of it and this system would not work.

 

[uconndogs]

Yeah, but these are really smart guys. They coached in the NFL and at Syracuse when they won BE championships. All they need are a few more prototypes and another 165 LB RB and they should be good.

 

[Pudge]

I think Robbie Frey leaving was my first sign that this regime was poorly placed at UConn.

 

[whaler11]

I think Robbie Frey leaving was my first sign that this regime was poorly placed at UConn.

Ding ding ding. No more calls. We have a winner.

 

[uconndogs]

One of my first signs was listening to GDL explain that he had all kinds of plays, enough to wallpaper a room. Then he talked about zone blocking schemes. Then he brought in the wildcat. And I said....."oh duckk, he's one of those guys". Makes it real complicated because he's smarter than everyone else. Pretty sure that's what we're dealing with.....and a HC who let it happen.

 

[whaler11]

You wouldn't think Miami having mild success one season with the Wildcat would help ruin UConn's program but here we are.

 

[metsfan2323]

You wouldn't think Miami having mild success one season with the Wildcat would help ruin UConn's program but here we are.

You seriously think things would be different if we never ran the Wildcat? What the...

Why not take a shot at "solve your problems with aggression" since you are in scapegoating mode.

I sure miss solving our problems with aggression.

 

[SubbaBub]

The second loss to Western Michigan should have removed all doubts.