The View From Section 241

[Waquoit]

You couldn't be more wrong. Figuratively, clients cause you to get your ass kicked in meetings, and look like an idiot, all the time. (And it's not like I need the help.)

Your clients actions have caused you a physical beating? Doubt it. Who cares about figurative beatings, that's why you get the big bucks. Or that's why they have big-boy pants, whichever fits better.

 

[spsct]

The first play of the second half was a downfield pass that went for an 80-yard TD. First play!

Wasn't it their first play of the game? On play action?

 

[businesslawyer]

Your clients actions have caused you a physical beating? Doubt it. Who cares about figurative beatings, that's why you get the big bucks. Or that's why they have big-boy pants, whichever fits better.

If you play football, the beatings you take are literal as well as figurative. If that isn't what you want to sign up for, you should be running track or rowing crew.

 

[Waquoit]

Wasn't it their first play of the game? On play action?

I'm positive about the 1st play of the 2nd half. You could see that UConn was all pumped to stop the run and Johnson played off of that to perfection. I know there were others, not sure about the when on those.

 

[Waquoit]

If you play football, the beatings you take are literal as well as figurative. If that isn't what you want to sign up for, you should be running track or rowing crew.

No . But I would think it would be tougher to endure a physical beating in service to a leader you know is not putting you in a position to succeed.

 

[Palatine]

Over the years, I have tended to dismiss the observation that kids didn't play hard or played with "no emotion." Unless I see kids jogging on the field or avoiding contact, I think they are trying hard. I think the kids always play hard and with emotion even when disheartened.

I have come to believe what most folks describe as "lacking emotion" is really lacking confidence. The kids are trying but if they don't move confidently, it slows them down, they second guess their own instincts. What is considered lack of emotion is kids thinking and slowing because they don't have confidence.

When the coaches spend a week telling kids this is what will work or this is what the opponent will do -and that bears no relationship to the actual events unfolding on the field- then the kids rightly don't trust the information they have been given.

I think this more likely describes the situation at Syracuse then questioning the emotion or intensity of the players.

 

[sportsart]

If you play football, the beatings you take are literal as well as figurative. If that isn't what you want to sign up for, you should be running track or rowing crew.

I'm thinking a track or rowing coach could give them a better shot at succeeding on the football field than these clowns. Seriously...

Most of these guys were broght in by RE, and whether you liked him or not, he not only delivered on his promises to them, he got people to exceed expectations.

This coaching staff....not so much.

If they knew what was going to happen with this group of coaches, and what their plan was, how many of them would have signed on? On defense probably many of them. On offense, not too many.

 

[spsct]

I'm positive about the 1st play of the 2nd half. You could see that UConn was all pumped to stop the run and Johnson played off of that to perfection. I know there were others, not sure about the when on those.

Looked it up... Their first play on offense in the game was a 77 yard TD pass.

Their first play of the 3rd quarter was a 68 yard TD run.

Not a good way to start either half... But I remember that game, as it was my first one back from Germany... The kids played their hearts out, but just couldn't stop anything Navy threw at them... They just ran it down our throats (400+ yards on the ground).

 

[CL82]

Not one of us will get through life without playing for a coach, or working for a boss, who you lose faith in generally or as to something. You grit your teeth and work through it the best you can. You don't throw in the towel and quit on your school, your team and yourself. We have a team whose arms are sore from throwing in the towel. Time to look in the mirror instead and decide whether or not you want to look back at this season when you're more mature and wonder why you didn't work harder to overcome the stuff you can't control.

Agree, but you and I have a whole lot more life's experience to draw on then these kids. I'd like to believe that I'd have taken the high road when I was there age, but who really knows what is going on behind the scenes.

I am inclined to agree with the school of thought that you typically need 3 years to evaluate a coach so that you can see his players executing his system. However, when a coach loses a team as badly as P appears to have lost them, there really isn't a way back. I hope that our AD realizes that, and given his football experience, I'm sure that he does, and is willing to pull the plug at the end of the season.

 

[John]

I've said it before. We need Carl Spackler to somehow get to midfield, plant a "Fire PP" sign in the dirt, and light himself on fire. That would get someone's attention, I would think.

He could light himself off the flaming drum sticks during the Band's halftime show.

 

[Waquoit]

Looked it up... Their first play on offense in the game was a 77 yard TD pass.

Their first play of the 3rd quarter was a 68 yard TD run.

Not a good way to start either half... But I remember that game, as it was my first one back from Germany... The kids played their hearts out, but just couldn't stop anything Navy threw at them... They just ran it down our throats (400+ yards on the ground).

You sure that wasn't sorted wrong?

 

[spsct]

You sure that wasn't sorted wrong?

I don't think so...

http://www.navysports.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/2006-2007/navy05.html

 

[Waquoit]

I don't think so...

http://www.navysports.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/2006-2007/navy05.html[/quote]

Oh well, I do know that we were reacting to Navy all game.

 

[jdb50]

Going back to a veteran trying to show leadership and being told to pipe down by a coach. Seniors on the team have gone through the Jasper Howard murder and the incredible string of games that followed. Then they were part of the run to the BCS which became a National college football story with the media showing Teggerts game winning kick to get us there and the debate that we did or didn't deserve to be there. Last year we had many leaders who had been 4 year starters, Kasif, Reyes, Petrus, Tywon. The team battled all year. This year if a veteran who had seen and been part of all that was trying to get the team to respond to the lack of success with more effort, attitude whatever,was told to zip it, then to me it was a shame that more veterans didn't step forward at that point and back that player up. Even if it meant getting in a verbal confrontation with that coach. Stick together and stick up for yourselves. Let that jackwagon coach know you have seen better and are nobodies boy.

 

[businesslawyer]

Going back to a veteran trying to show leadership and being told to pipe down by a coach. Seniors on the team have gone through the Jasper Howard murder and the incredible string of games that followed. Then they were part of the run to the BCS which became a National college football story with the media showing Teggerts game winning kick to get us there and the debate that we did or didn't deserve to be there. Last year we had many leaders who had been 4 year starters, Kasif, Reyes, Petrus, Tywon. The team battled all year. This year if a veteran who had seen and been part of all that was trying to get the team to respond to the lack of success with more effort, attitude whatever,was told to zip it, then to me it was a shame that more veterans didn't step forward at that point and back that player up. Even if it meant getting in a verbal confrontation with that coach. Stick together and stick up for yourselves. Let that jackwagon coach know you have seen better and are nobodies boy.

While I like and trust FCF, I'd really like to know more of this story, and what his source(s) are, before I put too much weight in it.

 

[sportsart]

While I like and trust FCF, I'd really like to know more of this story, and what his source(s) are, before I put too much weight in it.

Sometimes you just gotta believe. Put every pound of faith in it.

 

[huskysupporter]

Over the years, I have tended to dismiss the observation that kids didn't play hard or played with "no emotion." Unless I see kids jogging on the field or avoiding contact, I think they are trying hard. I think the kids always play hard and with emotion even when disheartened.

I have come to believe what most folks describe as "lacking emotion" is really lacking confidence. The kids are trying but if they don't move confidently, it slows them down, they second guess their own instincts. What is considered lack of emotion is kids thinking and slowing because they don't have confidence.

When the coaches spend a week telling kids this is what will work or this is what the opponent will do -and that bears no relationship to the actual events unfolding on the field- then the kids rightly don't trust the information they have been given.

I think this more likely describes the situation at Syracuse then questioning the emotion or intensity of the players.

Very fair post, especially the confidence part. If you are unsure who to block on O, or are unprepared, it causes you to be a step slower.

If a kid quits trying or gives less than 100% effort, I hope he leaves the team. There is absolutely no excuse. The people claiming they are quitting because of the coaching is embarrassing.

You give 100% because you have pride in what you do. You give 100 % because you want to do well for your teammates. To assert that kids are giving up because of their disdain of a coaching staff is a huge reach. And if someone would do that, then thy don't deserve to play for this team.

 

[businesslawyer]

Are you insinuating that, in my case, that would be a friggin lot of pounds? I resemble that remark!

 

[sportsart]

Are you insinuating that, in my case, that would be a friggin lot of pounds? I resemble that remark!

I was trying to down that road without going down that road. That being said I'm thinking I got you beat or at least on equal ground.

 

[jdb50]

This year the UConn sideline too often looks like people who are putting in another day at the office. I hope to see that change some day.

 

[RedSoloCup]

Tying a few threads together, I have some interesting thoughts about how bad it is out there... Frank may have missed a key block because he only is allowed to turn one way. Another player may have been chastised for thinking. No creativity from an experienced group, a perceived lack of effort or lack of confidence.

Not sure if anyone else has noticed, but the Twitter feeds of many of the players have stopped. I may have missed the Horde reporting on that, but there seems to be a lockdown in effect.

The point about bad management is appropriate. We've all probably been there. I know that when I have had enough, I punch the clock and make my resume pretty.

Not too far fetched that some kids are hunkering down, and not making waves.

 

[huskymedic]

Tying a few threads together, I have some interesting thoughts about how bad it is out there... Frank may have missed a key block because he only is allowed to turn one way. With all due respect sir - That's a bunch of pure speculation and horse$hit - there is a point where you say F it and protect your teammate from eating his spleen. Another player may have been chastised for thinking. No creativity from an experienced group, a perceived lack of effort or lack of confidence.

Not sure if anyone else has noticed, but the Twitter feeds of many of the players have stopped. I may have missed the Horde reporting on that, but there seems to be a lockdown in effect.

The point about bad management is appropriate. We've all probably been there. I know that when I have had enough, I punch the clock and make my resume pretty.

Not too far fetched that some kids are hunkering down, and not making waves.

 

[J187Money]

It is silly to talk about player motivation without facts. Some of us talk to players and some of us don't. And rightfully those that do won't say anything here and attribute it to anyone. So while the opinions here are probably valid, without understanding the relative information people have that is not public it is an unwinnable argument.

 

[Kgun7]

I have seen a player self-motivating tactic before. Coach calls a timeout and then walks away from the team's huddle in disgust. This allows a team leader to step up and tell his team what the coach is thinking ... without the coach needing to say it. Players usually respond better to direction when called out by their peers ... if they are allowed to voice their opinion. Where have we seen this before?