The View From Section 241

[businesslawyer]

With respect, I would say that alot of the players feel they are past the point that a reasonable person would demand that they go 110% for a strategy and philosophy that has failed. Not to mention that they have adult leaders that they have lost respect for.

You think it's rare that I'm trying to help a client who I lose respect for and won't listen to me on direction? What do you do -- you grit your teeth, you tell your spouse how unpleasant the deal is and you do the best job you can do under the circumstances because you have pride in what you do and who you are.

Do I expect 20 year olds to be as mature as I am? Of course not. But them trying to get there is supposed to be a good deal of the point of playing sports in college.

 

[ZooCougar]

You think it's rare that I'm trying to help a client who I lose respect for and won't listen to me on direction? What do you do -- you grit your teeth, you tell your spouse how unpleasant the deal is and you do the best job you can do under the circumstances because you have pride in what you do and who you are.

Do I expect 20 year olds to be as mature as I am? Of course not. But them trying to get there is supposed to be a good deal of the point of playing sports in college.

BL,

I've been there too. But handling an account and scoring touchdowns are not apples to apples.

In a toxic leadership environment, even the easy and routine become a chore.

 

[businesslawyer]

BL,

I've been there too. But handling an account and scoring touchdowns are not apples to apples.

In a toxic leadership environment, even the easy and routine become a chore.

Of course it becomes a chore. Boys can play well when it's fun. Men play well even when it becomes a chore.

I don't think we're disagreeing about much, except once whether you tar and feather the coaches you give the players a free pass. I am not. You are free to disagree.

 

[ZooCougar]

Of course it becomes a chore. Boys can play well when it's fun. Men play well even when it becomes a chore.

I don't think we're disagreeing about much, except once whether you tar and feather the coaches you give the players a free pass. I am not. You are free to disagree.

I don't give them a free pass. But I can sympathize, because I have been in their boat.

 

[businesslawyer]

I don't give them a free pass. But I can sympathize, because I have been in their boat.

I sympathize that they are in the position they are in. But that does not excuse not going out and trying to overcome it.

 

[ZooCougar]

I sympathize that they are in the position they are in. But that does not excuse not going out and trying to overcome it.

Don't you think that they have been kinda doing that up until Friday night?

 

[sportsart]

You think it's rare that I'm trying to help a client who I lose respect for and won't listen to me on direction? What do you do -- you grit your teeth, you tell your spouse how unpleasant the deal is and you do the best job you can do under the circumstances because you have pride in what you do and who you are.

Do I expect 20 year olds to be as mature as I am? Of course not. But them trying to get there is supposed to be a good deal of the point of playing sports in college.

Next time you lose respect for a client just tell them they need to pay you double. Coaches aren't paying the players.

 

[TouchdownHusky]

Of course it becomes a chore. Boys can play well when it's fun. Men play well even when it becomes a chore.

I don't think we're disagreeing about much, except once whether you tar and feather the coaches you give the players a free pass. I am not. You are free to disagree.

I agree with this, but from a different point of view. Each one of these guys needs to reflect on whether or not they are even good enough to have played at most BCS programs. Did they even have offers from anyone of the BCS programs? Who was their next best option - Harvard?, New Hampshire? Kent State? Stony Brook?

I do think that other than a handful of players (#s 5, 7, 94, and possibly 3,89 and 48) most are interchangeable with UMaine, James Madison, and other CAA's talent. Disagree? And I would hope to heck that the UConn team does. Then its really quite simple. . . show it on the field. Win the USF game on the road. Beat the stuffing out of Pitt. Upset Louisville or Cincy or both. Prove that you belong at this level.

 

[noeynox]

With our Oline, that USF game is going to be a bear. They're front seven is athletic as heck and their front four gets after it. I hope I'm wrong, but Im not feeling too good about that match up.

 

[B1GEast]

This team is not as good as it should be because the coaching isn't good enough. But that explains losing to Syracuse -- not getting blown out. Is the leadership of this coaching regime insufficient? Probably (although I'm a little reluctant to draw conclusions like that from a snippet here and there). But the coaching being not good enough, and the coaching leadership being not good enough, does not excuse the Defense from not showing up. And if you think they showed up and just coaching held them back, you have forgotten how they played against UMass and NC State and Maryland and Rutgers and Temple (for 58 minutes).

And, at least give me credit for what I've been saying here for close to a decade -- for the most part, players win and lose games. Coaches are responsible for the outcome of the season and the direction of the program, but with rare exceptions for dumb game day decisions (like Vanderbilt, thought I know others disagree) players, and not coaches, win or lose games.

Professional players that get huge salaries and signing bonuses win or loss games, 20 something student athletes that have a priority of going to class first get a pass in my book. Although your angle is off a bit, I get what you are saying.

 

[businesslawyer]

Don't you think that they have been kinda doing that up until Friday night?

Absolutely. I did not question their effort as players prior to Friday night. They kept falling one play short, but I did not question their effort.

 

[ZooCougar]

Absolutely. I did not question their effort as players prior to Friday night. They kept falling one play short, but I did not question their effort.

I agree, but I think their tanks are empty.

 

[pj]

I can see Carl lighting himself on fire at mid-field. But anyone who thinks that he will do so to communicate a slogan of just a few words isn't paying attention. More likely, the on-field message will be "read the report taped to the buttom of your chair."

"Read the treatise on the 16 GB memory key taped to the bottom of your chair."

 

[noeynox]

I really like P, but it is hard for anyone, players included to continue to believe in him when he offers quotes like the following:

"“One of the things that we really have to take a very good look at is running the ball,” Pasqualoni said. ‘We have not been able to run the ball, especially in the past two weeks which is frustrating for us. We’ve gotten behind, been in a situation two weeks in a row now where we felt like we had to throw the ball to get back into the game and that puts a lot of pressure on the protection which we have to do a better job with and puts a lot of pressure on the quarterback to make every single play".

Did he honestly forget that we led Temple the entire way? That we built up a 14 point lead in the first quarter on the strength of the passing game. I agree with him that the running has been terrible, but when says something so inaccurate and comes off as clueless through the media, what could he be saying to the players in the locker room. You could only hear stories about McNabb and Freeney so many times before it loses its effectiveness.

 

[Waquoit]

Does anyone think we'd have seen Friday's effort if Lutrus was still on the team? Or Dan Davis, or Fincher?

Yes.

 

[Waquoit]

I really like P, but it is hard for anyone, players included to continue to believe in him when he offers quotes like the following:

"“One of the things that we really have to take a very good look at is running the ball,” Pasqualoni said. ‘We have not been able to run the ball, especially in the past two weeks which is frustrating for us. We’ve gotten behind, been in a situation two weeks in a row now where we felt like we had to throw the ball to get back into the game and that puts a lot of pressure on the protection which we have to do a better job with and puts a lot of pressure on the quarterback to make every single play".

Did he honestly forget that we led Temple the entire way? That we built up a 14 point lead in the first quarter on the strength of the passing game. I agree with him that the running has been terrible, but when says something so inaccurate and comes off as clueless through the media, what could he be saying to the players in the locker room. You could only hear stories about McNabb and Freeney so many times before it loses its effectiveness.

Good catch, art. If Warde doesn't can P, he should at least make P double up on the ginko biloba.

 

[pj]

I agree, but I think their tanks are empty.

They absolutely got worn down and demoralized. Hopefully the bye week lets them recharge their tanks a bit. I say that not because I think it would make enough difference to bring victories, but just so that they can take pride in what they're doing and have some pleasure in it, and learn and develop as players and as a team for next year. No one enjoys giving poor effort and failing miserably, and no one learns anything with that spirit.

 

[sportsart]

Good catch, art. If Warde doesn't can P, he should at least make P double up on the ginko biloba.

I hope noeynox doesn't take this as too much of an insult.

 

[Waquoit]

The Navy game had nothing to do with players quitting, we lost Cody Brown and didn't have too much depth behind him, Lindsey whitten, a true freshman had to grow up in that game.

Paul Johnson's triple option was tough to defend that year, that loss had absolutely nothing to do with heart.

That was all on the coaching that game, the team was not prepared. The coaching staff was always in the position of fighting the last war, I mean successful play. Navy had a great passing game that day.

 

[Waquoit]

You think it's rare that I'm trying to help a client who I lose respect for and won't listen to me on direction? What do you do -- you grit your teeth, you tell your spouse how unpleasant the deal is and you do the best job you can do under the circumstances because you have pride in what you do and who you are.

How many times does the actions of the client you don't respect result in your getting your ass kicked? Literally. Embarrassing comparison.

 

[noeynox]

I hope noeynox doesn't take this as too much of an insult.

LOL. Maybe P isn't the only one who needs Ginko Biloba, just kidding.

 

[B1GEast]

That was all on the coaching that game, the team was not prepared. The coaching staff was always in the position of fighting the last war, I mean successful play. Navy had a great passing game that day.

From what I remember, the DE's and LB's were over committing when rushing the qb and were out of position when the ball was tossed to the rb. Defending the option requires a lot of discipline, which our defense did not show on that day. By the 4th qtr, the defense was exhausted. Losing Brown really hurt.

 

[Waquoit]

From what I remember, the DE's and LB's were over committing when rushing the qb and were out of position when the ball was tossed to the rb. Defending the option requires a lot of discipline, which our defense did not show on that day. By the 4th qtr, the defense was exhausted. Losing Brown really hurt.

The first play of the second half was a downfield pass that went for an 80-yard TD. First play!

 

[businesslawyer]

How many times does the actions of the client you don't respect result in your getting your ass kicked? Literally. Embarrassing comparison.

You couldn't be more wrong. Figuratively, clients cause you to get your ass kicked in meetings, and look like an idiot, all the time. (And it's not like I need the help.)

 

[B1GEast]

You couldn't be more wrong. Figuratively, clients cause you to get your ass kicked in meetings, and look like an idiot, all the time. (And it's not like I need the help.)

Hmm, if we looked at clients like coaches and you as a player for your client, and then we take your statement that players win or lose, by your logic we would come to the conclusion that in the end it would be your fault and not your clients

 

[huskymedic]

I was repeating the incident Fairfield County was reporting from a practice, not a game.

FCF - can you refresh our memory of the incident references?

 

[huskymedic]

Next time you lose respect for a client just tell them they need to pay you double. Coaches aren't paying the players.

No - but the University is (full ride @ decent cost). With that scholorship comes some catches - no?

 

[sportsart]

FCF - can you refresh our memory of the incident references?

It's on page 1 of this thread.

 

[sportsart]

No - but the University is (full ride @ decent cost). With that scholorship comes some catches - no?

A bit of a stretch but fair point.

 

[huskymedic]

FCF - can you refresh our memory of the incident references?

It's on page 1 of this thread.

Found it

. My opinion is that the staff deserves most of the blame for this, not in small part because (from what I have been told by some with real information) is that a few instances occurred when a veteran player did something to show some leadership and was reprimanded by a coach who believes the players are required to only keep their mouths shut and follow orders..

FCN - can you add color/situation without giving up source? Was this a pumping up the ranks or intervening in a practice/gsame situation.