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The View From Section 241 -- the NBE

dwalks93 said:
I do not disagree many of the wounds UConn sustained were self inflicted particularly in coaching hires and investments in the football program.

Unlike some I do not purely blame the AAC for UConn’s struggle. That said, the new media contract, the geographic separation and marginalization of UConn’s interests made recovering in the AAC much more difficult.

Moreover the time and money needed to repair football just wasn’t there. By 2024 the B12/AAC will see movement and if UConn is not competitive by then it’s really over.

The best predictor of football success is money and UConn wasn’t spending it on football and didn’t have easy funding to spend more on football.

Arguing whether bad coaches or a bad conference created a bad UConn is a chicken or the egg argument. How we got here doesn’t matter. What does matter is digging our way out in the AAC was becoming insurmountable.

Like I said I’m really disappointed in this decision but it is the most likely course to some success...it’s just a sad day.
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I don't think it's over by then, but what we are doing is taking an unprecedented risk.

Future generations can figure it out whether it was successful or not.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
I made the post above in March 2013. Either I am a genius, or it was freaking obvious what was going to happen when we joined the "A12" (AAC).

It is amazing that so many posters that have been so wrong about so much are giving lectures about the short-sightedness of leaving the American. We tried it their way, and it was a disaster.
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We're back to the small time, hope you're happy.
 
Butch said:
No, there is no major basketball sacrifice. I didn't even think we were "sacrificing" basketball. Putting words in my mouth. That's how low you gotta go to justify this?

It's weaklings like you who think we were sacrificing basketball.
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I was giving you credit for recognizing that the AAC was a disaster for the basketball programs. Are you telling me you don't understand that?
 
nelsonmuntz said:
I was giving you credit for recognizing that the AAC was a disaster for the basketball programs. Are you telling me you don't understand that?
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It wasn't a disaster, dummy. See Houston's new arena?

You take willing blindness for petty gratification to another level.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
I was giving you credit for recognizing that the AAC was a disaster for the basketball programs. Are you telling me you don't understand that?
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It was a disaster because UConn couldn't compete in the AAC
 
Butch said:
It wasn't a disaster, dummy. See Houston's new arena?

You take willing blindness for petty gratification to another level.
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Nelson said something wrong years ago, and because it was said years ago he's now trying to convince us its somehow right in 2019. Nice try but do not buy it.
 
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This is a classic dilemma.

On one side, we have a massive football investment and it seems wasteful to just let it die on the vine.

On the other we have two historically great basketball teams that have fanbases infected with apathy.

We’re more likely to course correct basketball by switching conferences than we are going to course correct UConn Football in the AAC.

I don’t have an issue with the strategy. I do have an issue with the lack of a good plan for football.

We need to see more meat in that area before I jump for joy.

Otherwise this is simply a desperate act akin to sealing off the bulkhead of a sinking ship and you have to drown a massive portion of the crew to save the whole for the greater good.
 
uconnfan68 said:
There are a lot of small schools already closing their doors. The wealth inequality between P5 and all the rest is starting to mirror our country’s state. Guess what is happening to the middle class?
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The schools in the AAC are growing or already rich, not going broke.

The only reason the Big East is not going broke is because the Catholic church, especially Jesuits, is not going broke.
 
Excalibur said:
I said this on the basketball board. We could’ve made this deal with the Big East three years ago, and we could make it five years from now. The timing is odd.
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no bizlaw has it. its the aac tv contract.

they let navy keep their football rights but steal our women’s basketball value.

they had to stand up for themselves finally.
 
whaler11 said:
no bizlaw has it. its the aac tv contract.

they let navy keep their football rights but steal our women’s basketball value.

they had to stand up for themselves finally.
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Again. Not leaping for joy. But this fact isn’t lost on me.

So apparently there is a school called “Creighton” that is in nearby Omaha and I can go watch UConn play hoop and soccer there. Apparently “Creighton” takes soccer pretty seriously.
 
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ZooCougar said:
Again. Not leaping for joy. But this fact isn’t lost on me.

So apparently there is a school called “Creighton” that is in nearby Omaha and I can go watch UConn play hoop and soccer there. Apparently “Creighton” takes soccer pretty seriously.
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Creighton's soccer stadium is very, very nice. You'll enjoy that
 
ZooCougar said:
Again. Not leaping for joy. But this fact isn’t lost on me.

So apparently there is a school called “Creighton” that is in nearby Omaha and I can go watch UConn play hoop and soccer there. Apparently “Creighton” takes soccer pretty seriously.
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yeah they won an NC or made a final recently.

I know you are being funny but they have a huge arena they pack to the gills.

When they were the one seed in the BET a few years ago they had 5-7k fans at MSG.
 
I expect the P5 schools to eventually separate from the rest of college sports and conduct their own March Madness tournament where they'll proclaim to have the national champion.

Maybe in 5 years. Maybe in 25 years. But it will happen.
 
Redding Husky said:
I expect the P5 schools to eventually separate from the rest of college sports and conduct their own March Madness tournament where they'll proclaim to have the national champion.

Maybe in 5 years. Maybe in 25 years. But it will happen.
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If they do that, they will leave the AAC and nobody will care.

If they do that and leave the Big East, the media will revolt.
 
whaler11 said:
yeah they won an NC or made a final recently.

I know you are being funny but they have a huge arena they pack to the gills.

When they were the one seed in the BET a few years ago they had 5-7k fans at MSG.
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Flyover state man. Omaha is a biggish place and “Creighton” is the biggest show in town. They have a big minor league baseball team and they are getting a USL D3 team soon too.

It’s about two hours away for me so I will partake.
 
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I get BizLaw’s POV - but I work off these assumptions:

1. They can’t invest in the football program to a degree that allows them to compete in the AAC

2. Being a northern outlier with every local peer in the P5... you can’t win if you can’t beat BC/Cuse/Pitt/RU for some players - and they weren’t and even with a decent few recruiting weeks it’s nowhere near that level. There are going to be fewer and fewer players here - the youth participation issue is very real in the NE.

3. Zero coaching stability - anyone on the way up could have it kill their career. The OC is the last man standing - the DC was in a 5 figgy job as an analyst. They might pan out - but man without being able to entice good young coaches - tough

4. The fanbase rejected the AAC. I know people
keep saying if they win fans will come back. Define ‘win’. 9-4? Maybe. 6-6? aint nobody coming back.

I think some are mourning something that was long dead. The P5 invite wasn’t coming. It was just going to be a never ending slog of seasons where they went 3-9 at best and you’d get 10k at Rent when weather was nice and otherwise it’s friends and family.

They get the chance here to reset and right size. If they can make some scheduling deals - the money may be higher the schedule may be marginally worse but maybe it looks like 2002 and 2003 and it’s a lot more fun than 13-18.

Football was hurting basketball. Now perhaps basketball can help football. At least try and leverage your strengths rather than have your weaknesses exposed constantly while hanging in a peer group you hate.
 
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KSC94 said:
Creighton's soccer stadium is very, very nice. You'll enjoy that
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A bunch of the Dads on my sons soccer team played for Creighton. Playing soccer for that school is a pretty big deal in this area.
 
ZooCougar said:
Flyover state man. Omaha is a biggish place and “Creighton” is the biggest show in town. They have a big minor league baseball team and they are getting a USL D3 team soon too.

It’s about two hours away for me so I will partake.
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I actually like Omaha and Lincoln. I used to work the trade show circuit when I was younger and we had a week there in the summer.
 
Butch said:
USF and UCF cheated to grow. I was correct! Typical in SEC territory. Not surprised.

Forgot Tulsa has an issue. Otherwise, other schools seem to be doing well. ECU has hog farmers for fans.
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If you’re not cheating, you aren’t trying.
 
zls44 said:
If they do that, they will leave the AAC and nobody will care.

If they do that and leave the Big East, the media will revolt.
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That may be correct.

Although ESPN hasn't protested UConn getting screwed throughout realignment. In fact, they're responsible in part for UConn getting screwed.
 
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whaler11 said:
I actually like Omaha and Lincoln. I used to work the trade show circuit when I was younger and we had a week there in the summer.
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Omaha is very nice and getting nicer by the minute. Quaility of life up there is first rate. I also am a fan of Iowa City.
 
zls44 said:
If they do that, they will leave the AAC and nobody will care.

If they do that and leave the Big East, the media will revolt.
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They also aren’t going to do that. They will just tighten the financial noose on the 20+ mid major conferences.
 
I'm actually not as backflips and celebrations as you'd assume over this. I'm happy but also want to realize there's FB die-hards who are justifiably ticked off. And I'd like to see *a* plan for football, as opposed to "we'll figure it out".
 
whaler11 said:
They also aren’t going to do that. They will just tighten the financial noose on the 20+ mid major conferences.
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The problem isn't too many FBS schools, it's 378 "Division One" hoop schools.
 
zls44 said:
I'm actually not as backflips and celebrations as you'd assume over this. I'm happy but also want to realize there's FB die-hards who are justifiably ticked off. And I'd like to see *a* plan for football, as opposed to "we'll figure it out".
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I wonder if season ticket sales has caused a bit of panic where we have to leave tomorrow.
 
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