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The Unfortunate Truth of Basketball Success

Not sure if you are a dedicated UConn fan. If you're a New England-er and love college football please note there are a lot of empty seats on the BCU wagon.
I'm not a basketball fan, guilty, I was a grad student, guilty. I think UConn is BETTER for winning in basketball but it doesn't get us to the power table and the idea that the Big East will save UConn from the inevitable split of the power conferences from the NCAA is ultimately wrong.

If you view that as disloyalty, great, good for you. That won't save UConn ultimately.
 
We are all hoping for something like that, but I would not count on it. For some reason, Cuse, BC, Pitt, don't realize that adding UConn would actually resurrect their flailing athletic programs.
a northeast league has always been beneficial for those programs as the last 20 years has shown. Being a bit player in somebody else's conference has shown to be a losing scenario despite the money.
 
In the end, I could see one semi pro power league with multiple divisions, split off from the ncaa. It would be structured like the nfl, with a similar playoff format. Football would be the main
attraction, but basketball soon to follow. Everyone
else would be the farm system.
 
When the ACC implodes UCONN will get an invitation to join the schools left out of the SEC and the BIG 24 or so.
Such is our pathetic fate that despite our success in college's #2 sport, our endgame (barring a B12 invite) is to hope to get lumped with the rejects of a perhaps soon to collapse conference that shunned us time and time again.
 
I know/realize that, currently, what I'm about to say is a bunch of mularkey, but this school would've benefited MORE with a football stadium on campus... It's just that simple (or not)... whatever... we would've... as beautiful as the Rent is...
 
Must be great being a fan of those programs knowing you will never win anything.

I honestly don’t understand the point of the OP.
Tbf out of those teams UCF probably has the most potential because they are willing to spend the big bucks their programs to make it successful. No one saw them hiring Malzahn after he got fired from Auburn. Couple more years in the Big 12 and I think UCF is one of the best teams in that conference.
 
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Tbf out of those teams UCF probably has the most potential because they are willing to spend the big bucks their programs to make it successful. No one saw them hiring Malzahn after he got fired from Auburn. Couple more years in the Big 12 and I think UCF is one of the best teams in that conference.
I’m a big believer in the eventual P2 split. UCF won’t be a part of that group. If FSU, Clemson and Miami are potentially on the outside-looking-in for the SEC/B1G then there’s no world where the Big 12 programs matter in the long run.
 
This post is insane. Fans of bad football teams don't care that their universities are taking in more money--they care about winning. Frankly, I'm happy that we essentially sacrificed football for the basketball success that we're witnessing now. I've been a huge football fan my whole life, and was probably football-first for the bulk of my life, but our football program is an absolute joke. There is absolutely no world where UConn football becomes relevant, I'm sorry. Enjoy the success our athletic department is having for what it is
 
This post is insane. Fans of bad football teams don't care that their universities are taking in more money--they care about winning. Frankly, I'm happy that we essentially sacrificed football for the basketball success that we're witnessing now. I've been a huge football fan my whole life, and was probably football-first for the bulk of my life, but our football program is an absolute joke. There is absolutely no world where UConn football becomes relevant, I'm sorry. Enjoy the success our athletic department is having for what it is
This is reality. Regional football rivalries should the way to go. Fans would enjoy winning with mixed attendance. I lived in VT/NH for twenty years. The fans enjoyed that game. Williams College (a D3 powerhouse) would bring over 7000 a game.
It’s only a matter of time before dominant B1G and SEC teams become greedier and start complaining about payouts to better teams. Didn’t take FSU and Clemson long at all.
 
This is reality. Regional football rivalries should the way to go. Fans would enjoy winning with mixed attendance. I lived in VT/NH for twenty years. The fans enjoyed that game. Williams College (a D3 powerhouse) would bring over 7000 a game.
It’s only a matter of time before dominant B1G and SEC teams become greedier and start complaining about payouts to better teams. Didn’t take FSU and Clemson long at all.
The reality is that the P2 schools will be able to price the non-P2 schools out of the market for coaches, facilities, and athletes. Don't believe that our current success means that we are somehow immune to that economic reality. Perhaps the schools in the survivor of the big 12/ACC may have a shot, but everyone else will have the relevance that the Ivy League schools have now. They used to be the power schools in athletics.
 
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True but all we are coveting is stability. We have earned everything whereas others were born into wealth.
The B12 and ACC aren't as stable as you think they are. UConn might already be in the best place for itself, and others could be joining us real soon
 
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The B12 and ACC aren't as stable as you think they are. UConn might already be in the best place for itself, and others could be joining us real soon
Winner Dream Big GIF by Rahul Basak
 
I'm probably one of the biggest proponents for UConn realignment on this forum. You literally laugh at me everytime I bring up the good qualities UConn brings to the table on the realignment threads
 
I'm probably one of the biggest proponents for UConn realignment on this forum. You literally laugh at me everytime I bring up the good qualities UConn brings to the table on the realignment threads
It's his shtick.
 
Sometimes you just need to enjoy what you have and stop coveting what someone else has.
You mean coveting a BB & FB conference that generates enough revenue to sustain its athletic budget? Then yes, that’s what I want to see & Uconn deserves to be in a conference like that - instead of a basketball only conference of small schools with low revenue, which is also being carried by Uconn and new BE members that aren’t located east.

I wouldn’t trade UConn’s BB success for anything. But i also recognize that Hurley is by far the main reason for that success (does anybody believe Ollie would have gotten us here if we didn’t cut lim loose from his contract?). That’s no reason to believe Uconn BB wouldn’t also succeed in a conference like the ACC or B12.
 
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This post is insane. Fans of bad football teams don't care that their universities are taking in more money--they care about winning. Frankly, I'm happy that we essentially sacrificed football for the basketball success that we're witnessing now. I've been a huge football fan my whole life, and was probably football-first for the bulk of my life, but our football program is an absolute joke. There is absolutely no world where UConn football becomes relevant, I'm sorry. Enjoy the success our athletic department is having for what it is
Completely disagree. The football program has been put in an extremely bad spot as has been rehashed on these boards over and over again. Despite having to play as an independent with all the CR moves taking place, UConn has recently beaten BCU, Fresno State, FIU, Liberty, Rice, and UMass twice. On a level playing field, the football program would thrive just as it did when it was in the Big East, whether that means joining the Big 12, ACC/remnants, a regional conference, alliance.
 
Realignment isnt about Football, it's about brand value and markets. UConn, who can turn MSG, Barclays, and TD Garden into home games, is prime to become the first repeat champion since the 07 Gators. Our basketball revenue has skyrocketed to fourth in the nation and we've received a ton of media coverage - especially during this tournament alone

I wouldn't be surprised (considering the state of the ACC/B12) if UConn received an invite this summer. Seriously this time

Realignment begins and ends with football in one way or another.

Basketball is just a side dish. If some conference added Rutgers 10 years ago it was to gerrymander more eyeballs to watch football games.

Media deals are what conferences pay out and football drives media deals.

Basketball only figures into a small part of the media money.
 
This post is insane. Fans of bad football teams don't care that their universities are taking in more money--they care about winning. Frankly, I'm happy that we essentially sacrificed football for the basketball success that we're witnessing now. I've been a huge football fan my whole life, and was probably football-first for the bulk of my life, but our football program is an absolute joke. There is absolutely no world where UConn football becomes relevant, I'm sorry. Enjoy the success our athletic department is having for what it is
And what we're telling you is 10 years from now there will be no big time UConn basketball because they won't be in the same apparatus as the Big 10 and the SEC.
 
And what we're telling you is 10 years from now there will be no big time UConn basketball because they won't be in the same apparatus as the Big 10 and the SEC.

I know some posters that I hope become Mississippi State fans long before we get there. Tomorrow would be good for me.
 
Such is our pathetic fate that despite our success in college's #2 sport, our endgame (barring a B12 invite) is to hope to get lumped with the rejects of a perhaps soon to collapse conference that shunned us time and time again.
My hope, and I am a CT resident and SU fan and alum, is that when the ACC implodes the Big East forms a football division and a hoops only division and it rolls Kansas in. Sure it will be second banana due to football revenue but the NCAA hoops championship will mean more than whatever they call the SEC/BIG championship in hoops. Just don't schedule those teams ever for anything.
 
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My hope, and I am a CT resident and SU fan and alum, is that when the ACC implodes the Big East forms a football division and a hoops only division and it rolls Kansas in. Sure it will be second banana due to football revenue but the NCAA hoops championship will mean more than whatever they call the SEC/BIG championship in hoops. Just don't schedule those teams ever for anything.
A Big East-ACC hybrid league instantly is the best basketball league. At worst 1A/1B with Big 12.
 
None of it matters. Not even a little bit. National Champion number 6 should it happen will not move the needle. UCF, Wake Forest, BC, Rutgers, Northwestern, Vanderbilt etc all have free rides and bask in the glory of nothingness because at the end of the day football / the perception of football drives the bus. Yormark's push and value of basketball falling on deaf ears is even more telling.
It must follow that if you suck at both FB and BB you have a decent chance at being safely ensconced in a P-2 or Big 12, ACC type conference. Consider BFC, Syracuse, Rutgers, WF etc. I guess we shouldn't excel at anything, lest we ruin our chances to move on to a better conference situation...
 
The reality is that the P2 schools will be able to price the non-P2 schools out of the market for coaches, facilities, and athletes. Don't believe that our current success means that we are somehow immune to that economic reality. Perhaps the schools in the survivor of the big 12/ACC may have a shot, but everyone else will have the relevance that the Ivy League schools have now. They used to be the power schools in athletics.
Sure, for football but not all that likely considering how many good football players there are and no way it happens for basketball. All non-revenue sports are in jeopardy across the country.
 
Sure, for football but not all that likely considering how many good football players there are and no way it happens for basketball. All non-revenue sports are in jeopardy across the country.
I think it's a virtual certainty that it will happen in basketball.
 
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