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The Unfortunate Truth of Basketball Success

For the record, success in men's basketball will not hurt the football and if it has any impact, it will help it on a barely noticeable level (adding a bit of exposure to the school's overall brand).

If we continue to perform well in men's hoops and stabilize the football program, eventually things will work out. If we can't, well....
 
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cellocgg said:
If our administration can't land a bid to anywhere after THIS they are either seriously incompetent or the UConn hate aka Rule #1 is real
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It's Rule #1 at this point.. ... its highly unlikely our Administration can both hire staff that wins national championships and brings up Hockey to Hockey East and is generating new facilities for baseball etc while also being "seriously incompetent" ... especially across numerous administrations. When programs like SMU, Cincinnati (now without Fickell), Cal, Rutgers, Arizona State, Boston College, and Pitt are all seen nationally as much more valuable and prestigious athletically than UConn, it comes down to Rule #1. Its been an uphill battle to change opinions.
 
Forte said:
It's Rule #1 at this point.. ... its highly unlikely our Administration can both hire staff that wins national championships and brings up Hockey to Hockey East and is generating new facilities for baseball etc while also being "seriously incompetent" ... especially across numerous administrations. When programs like SMU, Cincinnati (now without Fickell), Cal, Rutgers, Arizona State, Boston College, and Pitt are all seen nationally as much more valuable and prestigious athletically than UConn, it comes down to Rule #1. Its been an uphill battle to change opinions.
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The stars are shining on us
 
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Patman said:
why do you insist on exposing your lack of knowledge this much?
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Why can't we just request to join the B12 at a reduced rate like Stanford did with the ACC? Just keep the same Big East payout of $5M for a few years and renegotiate from there. An extra $5M from Fox would be chump change
 
cellocgg said:
Why can't we just request to join the B12 at a reduced rate like Stanford did with the ACC? Just keep the same Big East payout of $5M for a few years and renegotiate from there. An extra $5M from Fox would be chump change
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Because we would end up losing with the Big East exit fee. Also, and this my just be hubris on my part, but it Cincy and UCF are getting full shares, then we should in no way get less
 
Rufus said:
If the UConn admin was smart, they would have bartered with the B1G ---- giving Purdue that national championship on condition of acceptance to the B1G. ;)
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Greg, the opportunity to do that was yesterday afternoon. Guess the negotiations didn't work out.
 
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If you count both men's and women's basketball, this was the 12th straight loss for the B1G in the national championship game dating back to the start of the century.....(8 men's and 4 women's).............


sports.yahoo.com

Final Four: Big Ten loses 12th straight basketball title game as Purdue falls to UConn

The Big Ten hasn't won a basketball championship since the Michigan State men in 2000.
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The full list (women's games in italics):

2001: Purdue loses 68-66 to Notre Dame
2002: Indiana loses 64-52 to Maryland
2005: Illinois loses 75-70 to North Carolina
2005: Michigan State loses 84-62 to Baylor
2007: Ohio State loses 84-75 to Florida
2009: Michigan State loses 89-72 to North Carolina
2013: Michigan loses 82-76 to Louisville (win has since been vacated)
2015: Wisconsin loses (68-63) to Duke
2018: Michigan loses (79-62) to Villanova
2023: Iowa loses 102-85 to LSU
2024: Purdue loses 75-60 to Connecticut
2024: Iowa loses 87-75 to South Carolina
 
Rufus said:
If you count both men's and women's basketball, this was the 12th straight loss for the B1G in the national championship game dating back to the start of the century.....(8 men's and 4 women's).............


sports.yahoo.com

Final Four: Big Ten loses 12th straight basketball title game as Purdue falls to UConn

The Big Ten hasn't won a basketball championship since the Michigan State men in 2000.
sports.yahoo.com sports.yahoo.com


The full list (women's games in italics):

2001: Purdue loses 68-66 to Notre Dame
2002: Indiana loses 64-52 to Maryland
2005: Illinois loses 75-70 to North Carolina
2005: Michigan State loses 84-62 to Baylor
2007: Ohio State loses 84-75 to Florida
2009: Michigan State loses 89-72 to North Carolina
2013: Michigan loses 82-76 to Louisville (win has since been vacated)
2015: Wisconsin loses (68-63) to Duke
2018: Michigan loses (79-62) to Villanova
2023: Iowa loses 102-85 to LSU
2024: Purdue loses 75-60 to Connecticut
2024: Iowa loses 87-75 to South Carolina
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this was the last Big Ten Men's national championship

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I'm glad the BIG couldn't shake their bad luck and win a title in either BB tourney. Listening to the ESPN post game report and hearing the pundits at the desk say emphatically that UConn is a true blueblood was sweet music...man alive, our BB teams did us proud this year.
 
CL82 said:
Wait, we just request to go to whatever conference we want? I had no idea that was how it worked!
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Isn't that was Calford did? They begged to join the ACC and were initially rejected
 
UConn invited Val to help cut down the nets last night. Doubt you would see that if a Big East exit was coming.
 
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CL82 said:
The notion that they will suddenly change their mind isn't reality based.
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The conference that needs to add strong brands and is putting a larger emphasis on Basketball more than ever? I would be surprised if they didn't at least reconsider.

UConn was never completely ruled out and we would've been a confirmed add if the four corner schools didn't jump on board at once
 
cellocgg said:
The conference that needs to add strong brands and is putting a larger emphasis on Basketball more than ever? I would be surprised if they didn't at least reconsider.

UConn was never completely ruled out and we would've been a confirmed add if the four corner schools didn't jump on board at once
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Yeah, but....Now we're back to square one and in a different time frame. It seems that the Big 12 will be waiting to see what happens with the ACC. Who knows how long that will take, or if FSU and Clemson are even successful.
 
cellocgg said:
The conference that needs to add strong brands and is putting a larger emphasis on Basketball more than ever? I would be surprised if they didn't at least reconsider.

UConn was never completely ruled out and we would've been a confirmed add if the four corner schools didn't jump on board at once
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Well, when we weren't invited, that was a strong indication that we were "ruled out." Subsequent to that Yormark said that we were being considered and we aren't anymore. I don't know what "completely ruled out" means to you, but those are pretty strong indicia that we aren't being considered. I don't know that "asking" would change that.
 
Bongo Fury said:
The success UConn has had with less media revenue and no CFP payouts is remarkable imo.
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Agreed but it's only a matter of time until the lack of media revenue catches up to UConn's ability to access the portal with NIL. I know it's not money from the colleges but signs are pointing to colleges starting to get involved in the future
 
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cellocgg said:
The conference that needs to add strong brands and is putting a larger emphasis on Basketball more than ever? I would be surprised if they didn't at least reconsider.

UConn was never completely ruled out and we would've been a confirmed add if the four corner schools didn't jump on board at once
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The Big 12 presidents looked at our bball and said "Great, it's top notch!" Then they looked at our football history and threw up in their mouths. Unless UConn figures it's stuff out on the football field, I don't see them going anywhere. Even a desperate ACC didn't add us. IMO, the.only way we get in somewhere is if FSU or Clemson find a way out.
 
Not saying they would dominate in football but they could be a 7-6 team in the Big 12 with the financial boost. Even better like old BE days in the ACC. With membership in these conferences could get better recruits and coaches. Seems like the powers diminished the BE (conference of champions) this year.
 
As long as the argument is based on perceptions such as lack of AD revenue and scandals then UConn will be climbing an uphill battle. It unfortunate but the truth is that the local media only cares about 2 things with UConn... Failure and Scandal. Don't expect hype about the upcoming season, practice notes etc from the local media but absolutely bank on anything regarding revenue incompetency or scandal related to start local and end national.
 
The difference for Cal, Stanford and SMU is there was a pro-rata clause that brought in more money to the conference. By taking reduced shares they allowed the ACC to fund its performance pool without decreasing any of the existing members shares.

The performance pool was one of the ways the ACC was trying to answer FSU’s concerns that since they brought more revenue they should get a bigger share.
 
UCFBfan said:
Agreed but it's only a matter of time until the lack of media revenue catches up to UConn's ability to access the portal with NIL. I know it's not money from the colleges but signs are pointing to colleges starting to get involved in the future
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I basically agree with this but the 'catching up' has taken a whole lot longer than most P-whatever schools ever anticipated. If you were to have gotten a sincere response from them ~2006 or so they would have said "ten years, fifteen at most" as to when all schools/conferences that didn't have major football programs would be virtually mid-major.

We may have a bit more time than many realize, but the fact remains that we need to fix our football program if we want to survive.
 
UCFBfan said:
The Big 12 presidents looked at our bball and said "Great, it's top notch!" Then they looked at our football history and threw up in their mouths. Unless UConn figures it's stuff out on the football field, I don't see them going anywhere. Even a desperate ACC didn't add us. IMO, the.only way we get in somewhere is if FSU or Clemson find a way out.
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B12 Football is dead. Texas and OU and the viewership that comes with are irreplaceable. Any football team that gains momentum and gets really good in the B12 will just want to leave for the B1G/SEC
 
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