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If ND has taken Tennessee's place, I just wonder who takes our place when Geno retires in 5-6 years?


Baylor, Ohio State, South Carolina, Louisville, Maryland, DePaul, UCLA, California, USF, Texas, Kansas...at this point one might just say "Mission Accomplished"...after all we all wanted parity to come to WCBB
 
I am guilty of schadenfreude and thoroughly enjoying the plight of Lady Vols Basketball!

I don't think there's any measurable harm done to the advancement of wcbb because of it. In fact, I don't think there's ever been more parity in the #2 thru #10 ranked teams these days. There's a lot of really entertaining games being played in wcbb by the likes of DePaul, South Florida, Oregon State, Florida State, Ohio State, Maryland, et al. I was even impressed by Kansas State, Nebraska and Chattanooga when we played them. Things are looking up for wcbb. Of course when looking up, everyone's necks still get cramped looking up at UConn! ;)

That said, I have empathy for Holly (the individual) as I watch her pacing the sidelines bewildered and overwhelmed - demonstrating that she's reached her "level of incompetence" as HC of Lady Vols Bball. Not her fault - she was a loyal assistant to Pat and loyal employee to the University for decades, so she took the position to help preserve Pat's legacy and advance her own career - both honorable, sensible reasons. And the University went with her for the same reasons; continuity and loyalty. Time for Rocky Top to go in a different direction!
Ah yes, the old Peter Principle.
 
TonyC - agree with all you say with the exception of the change in the way Pat recruited - I think she always recruited to stockpile talent with little regard to playing style or position - TN often had very unbalanced rosters with a log jam of forwards/posts that continued into the Parker years when she realized she had no PG and had to scramble into the JC pool to find Bobbit, without whom TN probably would not have gotten their last two NCs. That situation happened before Maya, Caroline, and EDD.
 
Until the nasty evil fans and supporters of UT are humbled sufficiently I don't feel sorry for their plight.
For the supporters and fans of UT that have maintianed their bearings through all this, I feel their pain and hope the program comes back some day to reward their loyalty and legend.
It is a mix of feelings. Visiting the VolNation forum, you can see the disparity between the types of fans.
Some you can root/hope for, most of the others should just become extinct.
 
Until the nasty evil fans and supporters of UT are humbled sufficiently I don't feel sorry for their plight.
For the supporters and fans of UT that have maintianed their bearings through all this, I feel their pain and hope the program comes back some day to reward their loyalty and legend.
It is a mix of feelings. Visiting the VolNation forum, you can see the disparity between the types of fans.
Some you can root/hope for, most of the others should just become extinct.
OK, point taken....but what I was really trying to suggest in my original post has little to do with Tenn fans and followers in particular, and more to do, at least potentially (alas), with us. Sports history teaches us how rarely the truly legendary coaches come along, and how dismal is the record in attempts to perpetuate their success when the time for replacement ultimately, and inevitably, comes. To resort to the vernacular, the slide from the penthouse to the outhouse is a pretty slippery slope...and few are invulnerable. A very few institutions, I think, just because of who they are and what they represent, have at least some modest level of built-in immunity to this kind of fate (Notre Dame springs to mind) (I "hate" Notre Dame!)...a bit of immunity that does not necessarily apply to places like Ruston, or Knoxville, or, probably, and I hate to say it, Storrs. So, for me, the LV situation serves as kind of an object lesson in a reality I hate to admit exists. Some here aver that this "catastrophic" slide, thanks to Geno's genius, cannot and will not happen here. I applaud their optimism, but respectfully demur. Now, I know that many say, with justification, "why even post this stuff, why worry about that now...just enjoy the ride while we can." I do, I do, as much as anyone. But that's also like saying don't worry or speculate on where our favorite team will be next year after Stewie and Mo go, or don't pay close attention to recruiting for 2017...these "looking ahead" things are just what fans do!
 
OK, point taken....but what I was really trying to suggest in my original post has little to do with Tenn fans and followers in particular, and more to do, at least potentially (alas), with us. Sports history teaches us how rarely the truly legendary coaches come along, and how dismal is the record in attempts to perpetuate their success when the time for replacement ultimately, and inevitably, comes. To resort to the vernacular, the slide from the penthouse to the outhouse is a pretty slippery slope...and few are invulnerable. A very few institutions, I think, just because of who they are and what they represent, have at least some modest level of built-in immunity to this kind of fate (Notre Dame springs to mind) (I "hate" Notre Dame!)...a bit of immunity that does not necessarily apply to places like Ruston, or Knoxville, or, probably, and I hate to say it, Storrs. So, for me, the LV situation serves as kind of an object lesson in a reality I hate to admit exists. Some here aver that this "catastrophic" slide, thanks to Geno's genius, cannot and will not happen here. I applaud their optimism, but respectfully demur. Now, I know that many say, with justification, "why even post this stuff, why worry about that now...just enjoy the ride while we can." I do, I do, as much as anyone. But that's also like saying don't worry or speculate on where our favorite team will be next year after Stewie and Mo go, or don't pay close attention to recruiting for 2017...these "looking ahead" things are just what fans do!
In Geno I trust. :)
 
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So, for me, the LV situation serves as kind of an object lesson in a reality I hate to admit exists. Some here aver that this "catastrophic" slide, thanks to Geno's genius, cannot and will not happen here. I applaud their optimism, but respectfully demur.

I agree. One of the only very successful coaching dynasty changes I can think of is Roy Williams following Dean Smith-- and now, perhaps, we know why that worked out so well for them.
 
She seems like a pleasant person, but seems also to be intent on preservation of Pat's 'system' and unable to innovate.
Yes. You've identified a key point in all of this. And this is aggravated by Pat's continued presence and her title as coach emeritus. Holly's loyalty will contribute greatly to her downfall.

Of course there are other reasons, well articulated in the posts above.
 
The biggest difference between UT and UCONN is that UCONN has a system which Geno created years ago and he recruits players that fit the system. Even after Geno moves on I believe the system will continue. UT/Pat hasd always recruited top talent and then created her game plans around that talent. It worked for years as she was able to recruit the most talented players year after year. Once Geno and UCONN came around that started to change. And now teams are recruiting top tiered players in an effort just to beat UCONN.
After Geno moves on, we have no idea what will happen to UConn women's basketball. The conference thing may rear its ugly side for them too. Depending on who replaces him, it could be a small step or a large step, but almost certainly a step backward. Enjoy the present.
 
As to whether Storrs will go the way of Old Dominion and Louisiana Tech after Geno retires, I would make two observations:
  1. The Calhoun-to-Ollie transition seems to be working out quite well (to my taste, the change is an improvement and has gotten me more interested in the UConn men's team that I could ever have been while Calhoun was coach);
  2. I don't think Geno would recommend an assistant out of loyalty as Pat did, unless he truly believed that was the best person to continue the level of excellence. And I certainly don't think he would hover around practices after he became "emeritus".
There is a new possible outcome in the last week, and that is the new coach hired by the Connecticut Sun on Geno's recommendation. He is only in his late forties. If he can turn the Sun around in the next few years, that may put him in the pole position in the race to be Geno's replacement.

I will renew my Sun season ticket, which I had deferred until the Sun hired a new coach. Based on what I have read, this guy seems to be very promising.
 
What happened at Tenn will not happen at UConn. Geno is to smart to retire and not have the incoming coach set up to continue to build on what he has built. I don't think Geno will go anywhere to soon. Geno still has records to set and goals to reach and when that is accomplished then we can talk about whats next for him.

I dont think Tenn expected Pat's situation... nothing to prepare for.

What happens if the shoe was on UConn's foot? does CD step in, for how long or does she hang them up like Geno?
 
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I dont think Tenn expected Pat's situation... nothing to prepare for.

What happens if the shoe was on UConn's foot? does CD step in, for how long or does she hang them up like Geno?
If there was a sudden crisis and Geno had to step down immediately, I am sure that Chris would step in for a limited time, but I doubt she would stay on beyond a few years. She obviously would feel loyalty to both the program and the players already on the team.
 
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