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Our line-up, rotation, and minutes played are beginning to come into focus: From the Game 24 Game Analysis thread: "Our starters need to start playing starters minutes. I am talking about 29 to 35 minutes." "Our rotation should be down to about 8 maybe 9 players".


Minutes played in Providence game:

Paige Bueckers - 27
Azzi Fudd - 25
Sarah Strong - 24
Jana El-Alfy - 20
Kaitlyn Chen - 18
KK Arnold - 28
Morgan Cheli - 23
Ashlynn Shade - 18

I think the final rotation will be:

Center - El-Alfy*, Ice Brady
Power Forward - Sarah Strong*, Morgan Cheli
Swing Guard / Forward - Paige Bueckers* Aubrey Griffin
Shooting Guard - Azzi Fudd* Ashlynn Shade
Point Guard - Kaitlyn Chen*, KK Arnold

Mop up minutes - Allie Ziebell, Qadence Samuels

*Starters
 

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This is pretty accurate.

Only comment is that when Ice/Jana not in the game, Sarah has been moving to center and Morgan, Aubrey, (and even some Azzi&Paige) have played at power forward.

Sarah may even by now have more minutes at center than Ice and Jana, as the small line up is playing a lot.

Against Tenn we had big center for only 11 minutes, and small team for 29 min.
 
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Aubrey is a Huge question mark. If she was healthy, I might have started her today. The fact that she was out today with an undisclosed injury is enormously concerning.
Yup. I expected her to start also. Let's hope it is not serious.
 
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Today's game was fools gold for any fan thinking UConn played a better game. Every shot from the outside was wide open and there was absolutely no pressure that if they did miss the other team could beat them. As far as the rotation it looked EXACTLY the same to me as it has for the last month. It doesn't look like Geno things his lineup has anything to do with their struggles against top teams.

Jana absolutely needs to be in the game. She is the one player that can play big and she goes after the ball. Her hands aren't great yet but they aren't going to get better handing the girls water when they come off the floor.
 
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Our line-up, rotation, and minutes played are beginning to come into focus: From the Game 24 Game Analysis thread: "Our starters need to start playing starters minutes. I am talking about 29 to 35 minutes." "Our rotation should be down to about 8 maybe 9 players".


Minutes played in Providence game:

Paige Bueckers - 27
Azzi Fudd - 25
Sarah Strong - 24
Jana El-Alfy - 20
Kaitlyn Chen - 18
KK Arnold - 28
Morgan Cheli - 23
Ashlynn Shade - 18

I think the final rotation will be:

Center - El-Alfy*, Ice Brady
Power Forward - Sarah Strong*, Morgan Cheli
Swing Guard / Forward - Paige Bueckers* Aubrey Griffin
Shooting Guard - Azzi Fudd* Ashlynn Shade
Point Guard - Kaitlyn Chen*, KK Arnold

Mop up minutes - Allie Ziebell, Qadence Samuels

*Starters
I think your 10 is correct for the largest possible rotation except that Aubrey should be the backup 4 and Cheli the backup 3. At the other extreme is the possible short rotation that might exclude Ice and Morgan, with Aubrey backing up 3 and 4, and playing quite a bit at the 4 with Sarah at the 5 when Jana is out.

The 8 are in for sure and Allie and Qadence are extreme long-shots IMO. The question is whether Ice and/or Morgan are in or out. My best guess is that Ice will be but Morgan won't.
 
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Well Ice is out for possible 3 to 5 weeks. That’s basically the rest of the season by the time she would return to play. So we have post issues once again.

Jana has played bad and has played well. If she can score 8 points and grab 8 rebounds per game that would be amazing. Her bitching about not committing fouls has to stop. Just play ball.

Sarah is going to play a lot of D in the paint. I give this kid a ton of credit. She has definitely lived up to her Number One ranking. SS will be playing the most minutes of anyone on this team.

Morgan, as I said at the beginning of the season that she would be my new favorite player this year. She hustles. She grabs loose balls. She falls anywhere on the court. She misses layups. She does a little bit of a lot of things. When she’s open she needs to hit some shots though.

KK with the ball is all drive. But how I wish that she would have some Jenn Rizzotti in her. Going to the basket is what you want to do. And she does that. But some of her drives then shots are mind boggling. But we need her athleticism. So I’m fine with whatever she does.

Kaitlyn should play the whole first quarter. Let her get her points.

Ashlynn needs to score at least 12 points per game. Her defense should be awarded.

Azzi should play just in the third quarter from now on. Hitting five threes in that 10 minutes. That’s unreal.

Sadly Aubrey tweaked her ankle. Am glad that it isn’t overly bad. She will be needed to spell the post player at times. Plus she is a great rebounder.

Paige am sorry that you said that you were turning pro. I would have liked to see Dallas sweat until after UConn loses in the NCAA Tournament. She had to continue to come out and take control. Without a post game she needs to be lights out every game.

Allie and Q am sorry but it’s not your turn yet.
 
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I think your 10 is correct for the largest possible rotation except that Aubrey should be the backup 4 and Cheli the backup 3. At the other extreme is the possible short rotation that might exclude Ice and Morgan, with Aubrey backing up 3 and 4, and playing quite a bit at the 4 with Sarah at the 5 when Jana is out.

The 8 are in for sure and Allie and Qadence are extreme long-shots IMO. The question is whether Ice and/or Morgan are in or out. My best guess is that Ice will be but Morgan won't.
I agree. I would pencil in Aubrey as both a 3 and a 4. Five minutes at one spot and five minutes at the other. Morgan, depending on what's going on, maybe only sees 4Q action or otherwise limited minutes.
 
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Sarah is going to play a lot of D in the paint. I give this kid a ton of credit. She has definitely lived up to her Number One ranking. SS will be playing the most minutes of anyone on this team.
Early in the season, I stated that Sarah was an upgrade over Edwards. Some scoffed and said it was too early to make that assertion. What about now? To my eye, she's become 1b on the roster, with Paige being 1a.
 

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Early in the season, I stated that Sarah was an upgrade over Edwards. Some scoffed and said it was too early to make that assertion. What about now? To my eye, she's become 1b on the roster, with Paige being 1a.
Two different players. Aaliyah was a power forward who could match up with just about any center in the country. Sarah is a wing who can play in the post when UConn goes small, but she’s really not capable of matching up against real size.

I honestly believe that UConn beats USC & TN this year with Aaliyah in the lineup instead of Sarah.
 

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It’s not undisclosed. She twisted her ankle and could have played today but was held out as a precaution
Thanks I missed that too.
 

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Today's game was fools gold for any fan thinking UConn played a better game. Every shot from the outside was wide open and there was absolutely no pressure that if they did miss the other team could beat them. As far as the rotation it looked EXACTLY the same to me as it has for the last month. It doesn't look like Geno things his lineup has anything to do with their struggles against top teams.

Jana absolutely needs to be in the game. She is the one player that can play big and she goes after the ball. Her hands aren't great yet but they aren't going to get better handing the girls water when they come off the floor.
I'm with you on Jana. She ONLY played 20 minutes against PC. Was she tired? Certainly not in foul trouble. And of her 20 minutes, like 6-7 of them came at the end of the game with all the subs in. People keep saying she needs PT to develop and improve the rest of the season, but it won't happen if she's not out there with most of the starters.

It makes no sense for the team to "go small" against pretty much any big east team. I get that Ice is out so they have no choice at times. But now is the time to try to get Jana as much PT as possible for confidence, endurance, reps, chemistry, etc.
 
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It makes no sense for the team to "go small" against pretty much any big east team. I get that Ice is out so they have no choice at times. But now is the time to try to get Jana as much PT as possible for confidence, endurance, reps, chemistry, etc.
I tend to agree and really want to see Jana get more minutes especially in the first half.

Still, I think the small lineups need playing time too. It's important to bear in mind that SC mainly plays a small lineup -- Dauda, Tac and Walker get very few minutes. Most of the time, Dawn's front court is 6'3"+ 6'2" or 6'2"+ 6-1". If we're preparing for a team like that, then a Sarah + Aubrey or + Morgan lineup makes a lot of sense.

Texas plays a bigger lineup with Taylor Jones at 6'4" but with long arms and a lot of talent as a shot blocker, so we'd need Jana against her. And Kyla Oldacre at 6'6" seems to have come into her own as a scorer and rebounder since last season, though she remains a bit slow of foot.

I think something similar is true of ND, if we play them again. With Koval in the lineup, who is a large 6'5", it's asking too much for Sarah to defend her. We need Jana in the lineup to succeed against them. Koval is also a good shot blocker. And Westbrook King and Karlen give them plenty of depth at 6'1" and taller.
 
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Two different players. Aaliyah was a power forward who could match up with just about any center in the country. Sarah is a wing who can play in the post when UConn goes small, but she’s really not capable of matching up against real size.

I honestly believe that UConn beats USC & TN this year with Aaliyah in the lineup instead of Sarah.
A 5th year senior instead of a freshman. You might be right...
 

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Two different players. Aaliyah was a power forward who could match up with just about any center in the country. Sarah is a wing who can play in the post when UConn goes small, but she’s really not capable of matching up against real size.

I honestly believe that UConn beats USC & TN this year with Aaliyah in the lineup instead of Sarah.

I'm with you on Jana. She ONLY played 20 minutes against PC. Was she tired? Certainly not in foul trouble. And of her 20 minutes, like 6-7 of them came at the end of the game with all the subs in. People keep saying she needs PT to develop and improve the rest of the season, but it won't happen if she's not out there with most of the starters.

It makes no sense for the team to "go small" against pretty much any big east team. I get that Ice is out so they have no choice at times. But now is the time to try to get Jana as much PT as possible for confidence, endurance, reps, chemistry, etc.

Now we're getting to the heart of the matter. Both of you (and many on the Boneyard) want Geno to "settle" for Jana, whatever her level of development, seemingly just because she is 6-5. This is because you believe that her size (again, with little attention to her level of play) will be needed against the big teams that UConn will supposedly face in March and April.

Do you remember the Texas game about a year ago? Geno, apparently against his better judgment, started Ice and Aaliyah in that game to counter Texas's size, and it didn't work at all, because Ice at that time was just not up to the challenge. By the fourth quarter, he took Ice out and played four guards with Aaliyah (with Paige as the de facto "4") and they did much better, causing as many problems for Texas defenders as the Texas bigs posed to UConn when the Longhorns were on offense. After that game, "Aaliyah+4" became the starting lineup for the rest of last season, and Ice came off the bench to back up Aaliyah.

Now both of you, along with @Rowdy831 , are adopting the view that "Sarah+4" is an untenable lineup in the NCAA tournament, because of opponents' presumed size. But isn't this disproven by the fact that "Aaliyah+4" was in fact UConn's lineup in last year's NCAA tournament, and that lineup got with in one basket and one referee's call of the NCAA Finals?

@oldude , whom I usually agree with, says that Aaliyah could match up with opposing star centers, but Sarah can't. I would love to see a statistical comparison of senior Aaliyah vs. freshman Sarah, and I bet that Sarah would look better in that comparison than many here think. I don't think we know what Sarah can or can't handle, but her performance against Tennessee showed that she was quite able to deal with their size (which isn't all that great, nor is South Carolina's). But the question is whether she would do better than Jana against those opponents, and everything we have seen of Jana recently suggests that Sarah would do better. Neither of them is probably going to stop Lauren Betts, but who would do better against her? I think Sarah would.

That's why we are not seeing major minutes for Jana against Big East opponents. Geno has already decided, or is on the verge of deciding, that she isn't going to be UConn's starting center in the NCAA tournament, and he is trying to give major minutes to the Sarah+4 configuration that he expects to take into that tournament, for as far as it will go. I think his judgment about this is correct.

It is not true by definition that taller always wins in basketball. I'm old enough to remember the 1970's Celtics who had 6-9 Dave Cowens as their center, going against Kareem and the other enormous centers of that era, and doing so with reasonable success. The Celtics kept 7-1 Henry Finkel on the bench as Cowens's backup, which is where he belonged because of his limited skill.

In more recent times, what about 6-9 Adama Sanogo being very successful against 7-0 Kalkbrenner and other centers of similar size on the men's side?

And I remember an NCAA game in Stef Dolson era when Geno had to take Stef out in the fourth quarter against a Georgetown team that was very fast but had no one taller than 6-1, and UConn came from behind to win the game with some fast play by 5-4 Laurin Dixon.

It's not ideal to play at a height disadvantage, but it is much more problematic to play at a skill disadvantage, which is what the heavy use of Jana would produce.
 
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Now we're getting to the heart of the matter. Both of you (and many on the Boneyard) want Geno to "settle" for Jana, whatever her level of development, seemingly just because she is 6-5. This is because you believe that her size (again, with little attention to her level of play) will be needed against the big teams that UConn will supposedly face in March and April.
I think I agree with you. I'm in the pro-Jana camp. But not merely because she's tall. I'm more interested in the spirit she showed in HS and in the FIBA games. She was fiery in those days, and I think we could use some of that. Over the summer I even jokingly referred to her as potentially being the replacement for Nika, in effect she'd become "Big Nika."

But the sad fact is she hasn't been able to recapture that fire since the injury. And I think I understand. In HS, she played some form of street ball, fighting her way to the rim on most plays because her teammates weren't skilled enough to get her a pass into the low post. Now at UConn, the guards are absolutely skilled enough for such passes. But that skill comes with a lot of demands on how Jana gets and holds position, how she moves on the court, etc, and this is all quite challenging. She hasn't mastered all the related intricacies of the game at UConn, and this has put a damper in her spirits.

I hope to see more minutes for Jana in BE games in the hopes that this will indicate improvements in practices and to see how this will translate into live game action. I hope that as her confidence grows, her fire will reappear. Still, this is all just hope, though that's all we fans have.
 
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one referee's call of the NCAA Finals?
Excellent post, Joe. I'm with you on all points, although I get a kick out of the inability of BYers to let it go about Aaliyah's clear foul vs. Iowa... oh, well.:rolleyes:;)
 

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Now we're getting to the heart of the matter. Both of you (and many on the Boneyard) want Geno to "settle" for Jana, whatever her level of development, seemingly just because she is 6-5. This is because you believe that her size (again, with little attention to her level of play) will be needed against the big teams that UConn will supposedly face in March and April.

Do you remember the Texas game about a year ago? Geno, apparently against his better judgment, started Ice and Aaliyah in that game to counter Texas's size, and it didn't work at all, because Ice at that time was just not up to the challenge. By the fourth quarter, he took Ice out and played four guards with Aaliyah (with Paige as the de facto "4") and they did much better, causing as many problems for Texas defenders as the Texas bigs posed to UConn when the Longhorns were on offense. After that game, "Aaliyah+4" became the starting lineup for the rest of last season, and Ice came off the bench to back up Aaliyah.

Now both of you, along with @Rowdy831 , are adopting the view that "Sarah+4" is an untenable lineup in the NCAA tournament, because of opponents' presumed size. But isn't this disproven by the fact that "Aaliyah+4" was in fact UConn's lineup in last year's NCAA tournament, and that lineup got with in one basket and one referee's call of the NCAA Finals?

@oldude , whom I usually agree with, says that Aaliyah could match up with opposing star centers, but Sarah can't. I would love to see a statistical comparison of senior Aaliyah vs. freshman Sarah, and I bet that Sarah would look better in that comparison than many here think. I don't think we know what Sarah can or can't handle, but her performance against Tennessee showed that she was quite able to deal with their size (which isn't all that great, nor is South Carolina's). But the question is whether she would do better than Jana against those opponents, and everything we have seen of Jana recently suggests that Sarah would do better. Neither of them is probably going to stop Lauren Betts, but who would do better against her? I think Sarah would.

That's why we are not seeing major minutes for Jana against Big East opponents. Geno has already decided, or is on the verge of deciding, that she isn't going to be UConn's starting center in the NCAA tournament, and he is trying to give major minutes to the Sarah+4 configuration that he expects to take into that tournament, for as far as it will go. I think his judgment about this is correct.

It is not true by definition that taller always wins in basketball. I'm old enough to remember the 1970's Celtics who had 6-9 Dave Cowens as their center, going against Kareem and the other enormous centers of that era, and doing so with reasonable success. The Celtics kept 7-1 Henry Finkel on the bench as Cowens's backup, which is where he belonged because of his limited skill.

In more recent times, what about 6-9 Adama Sanogo being very successful against 7-0 Kalkbrenner and other centers of similar size on the men's side?

And I remember an NCAA game in Stef Dolson era when Geno had to take Stef out in the fourth quarter against a Georgetown team that was very fast but had no one taller than 6-1, and UConn came from behind to win the game with some fast play by 5-4 Laurin Dixon.

It's not ideal to play at a height disadvantage, but it is much more problematic to play at a skill disadvantage, which is what the heavy use of Jana would produce.
You have misinterpreted much of what I have suggested. For the record. I do not believe that Geno should settle for Jana. In fact, I have been suggesting that, assuming she’s healthy, 6’1” Aubrey should start at center because she’s a better rebounder, defender and transition player than Jana or Ice.

Notwithstanding that Sarah is a freshman and Aaliyah is now in the W, I will say again, they are not the same player and should not be compared. Aaliyah was always a power forward who could play center, matching up with talented Bigs. Sarah is an extremely talented wing who will never be able to match up with talented Bigs, when it comes to defending them in the post.
 
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Today's game was fools gold for any fan thinking UConn played a better game. Every shot from the outside was wide open and there was absolutely no pressure that if they did miss the other team could beat them. As far as the rotation it looked EXACTLY the same to me as it has for the last month. It doesn't look like Geno things his lineup has anything to do with their struggles against top teams.

Jana absolutely needs to be in the game. She is the one player that can play big and she goes after the ball. Her hands aren't great yet but they aren't going to get better handing the girls water when they come off the floor.
Jana has been in most of the games, she has started and she had come off the bench. The results are usually the same, she get out rebounded by smaller players, misses too many chippies and creates too many fouls. No, she does not absolutely need to be in the game.
 

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One of the lsst baskets made by Tennessee that helped to seal their victory was made at a distance of about 2 feet from the basket by a smaller Tenn player.
It was very obvious that UConn needed a rim protector to be on the floor at that juncture of the game.
It made Geno look stubborn to not have her in the game, and it was nationally televised too.
 
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One of the lsst baskets made by Tennessee that helped to seal their victory was made at a distance of about 2 feet from the basket by a smaller Tenn player.
It was very obvious that UConn needed a rim protector to be on the floor at that juncture of the game.
It made Geno look stubborn to not have her in the game, and it was nationally televised too.
The best rim protector on UConn is probably Strong at this point. She has over double the blocks of Jana in less than double the minutes.
 

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Jana has been in most of the games, she has started and she had come off the bench. The results are usually the same, she get out rebounded by smaller players, misses too many chippies and creates too many fouls. No, she does not absolutely need to be in the game.
One of the lsst baskets made by Tennessee that helped to seal their victory was made at a distance of about 2 feet from the basket by a smaller Tenn player.
It was very obvious that UConn needed a rim protector to be on the floor at that juncture of the game.
It made Geno look stubborn to not have her in the game, and it was nationally televised too.
LOL, poor Geno can’t win no matter what he does
 

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