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The Rise of Superteams in WBB

There are several Women College Basketball Ranking sides,

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NCAA women's college basketball rankings: AP, Coaches, USA Today

Get NCAA women's college basketball rankings from the Associated Press, USA Today/WBCA and NCAA committee.
www.ncaa.com www.ncaa.com
www.espn.com

Women's NCAA basketball's Way-Too-Early Top 25 for 2024-25

With just over a month left until the season begins, where the best teams fall in behind the Gamecocks -- including the Terrapins.
www.espn.com www.espn.com
www.on3.com

On3's post-spring Women's Basketball Top 25 rankings

As we inch closer to the 2024-25 season, On3's Talia Goodman reveals her post-spring women's college basketball Top 25 rankings.
www.on3.com www.on3.com
www.flohoops.com

Women's NCAA Basketball Rankings: Way-Too-Early Top 25 for 2024-2025 Season - FloHoops

The 2023-24 Women's College Basketball is a wrap with South Carolina taking the NCAA Championship over Iowa. Here's a way-too early top 25 for next season.
www.flohoops.com www.flohoops.com

Massey Ratings - College Basketball Women's : NCAA D1 Ratings

Computer ratings and rankings for CBW (College Basketball Women's), with links to team predictions, scores, and schedules.
masseyratings.com masseyratings.com

RealTimeRPI.com Women's College Basketball Rating Percentage Index (RPI) Ratings - A leading sports ratings and resources community on the Internet

RealTimeRPI.com: RPI, RPI Rankings, college basketball rpi, Real Time NCAA College Basketball and Sports Ratings - the most accurate independent analysis of the NCAA college basketball Rating Percentage Index (RPI)
www.realtimerpi.com

RPI (Live) - 2024 Women's College Basketball | WarrenNolan.com

2024 Women's College Basketball RPI (Rating Percentage Index) Updated in REAL-TIME for Every Team at the Completion of Every Game.
www.warrennolan.com www.warrennolan.com

For your references ...I think #6 and #7 are the same.
 
Kaizen said:
There are several Women College Basketball Ranking sides,

www.ncaa.com

NCAA women's college basketball rankings: AP, Coaches, USA Today

Get NCAA women's college basketball rankings from the Associated Press, USA Today/WBCA and NCAA committee.
www.ncaa.com www.ncaa.com
www.espn.com

Women's NCAA basketball's Way-Too-Early Top 25 for 2024-25

With just over a month left until the season begins, where the best teams fall in behind the Gamecocks -- including the Terrapins.
www.espn.com www.espn.com
www.on3.com

On3's post-spring Women's Basketball Top 25 rankings

As we inch closer to the 2024-25 season, On3's Talia Goodman reveals her post-spring women's college basketball Top 25 rankings.
www.on3.com www.on3.com
www.flohoops.com

Women's NCAA Basketball Rankings: Way-Too-Early Top 25 for 2024-2025 Season - FloHoops

The 2023-24 Women's College Basketball is a wrap with South Carolina taking the NCAA Championship over Iowa. Here's a way-too early top 25 for next season.
www.flohoops.com www.flohoops.com

Massey Ratings - College Basketball Women's : NCAA D1 Ratings

Computer ratings and rankings for CBW (College Basketball Women's), with links to team predictions, scores, and schedules.
masseyratings.com masseyratings.com

RealTimeRPI.com Women's College Basketball Rating Percentage Index (RPI) Ratings - A leading sports ratings and resources community on the Internet

RealTimeRPI.com: RPI, RPI Rankings, college basketball rpi, Real Time NCAA College Basketball and Sports Ratings - the most accurate independent analysis of the NCAA college basketball Rating Percentage Index (RPI)
www.realtimerpi.com

RPI (Live) - 2024 Women's College Basketball | WarrenNolan.com

2024 Women's College Basketball RPI (Rating Percentage Index) Updated in REAL-TIME for Every Team at the Completion of Every Game.
www.warrennolan.com www.warrennolan.com

For your references ...I think #6 and #7 are the same.
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Don't forget ELO, and a handy link to NET:

2024 Women's College Basketball Home Page | WarrenNolan.com

2024 Women's College Basketball Home: NET, RPI, ELO, Scores, Schedules, Rankings, Predictions, Bracket Projection, Simulations, Nitty Gritty, Strength of Schedule, Conference Ranking, Statistics, Streaks
www.warrennolan.com www.warrennolan.com
 
Stagnant said:
For the record, I don’t believe UConn is building super teams. Maybe they did in the past, but no longer.

I have a theory on uconn recruiting and it deserves a separate post. (Then my usc post above).

I am just speculating. But I think UConn wants to have a lot of international players on the roster, because they think those players will be easier to retain if Geno retires. They don’t want a scenario where 6 players hit the portal when he leaves the program.
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Interesting.

Geno has said he prefers Euro-trained players because they spend 80% of their time practicing and have solid fundamentals, something he doesn't like to teach. So that's another possible factor.

Then there is the fact that international players can't earn NIL money.

My own feeling is that there are a lot of great players emerging internationally and Geno likes to win.
 
Feel a little bad for Bueckers and all the pressure Geno is putting on her to break his eight year drought.
 
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Gamecockfan77 said:
Feel a little bad for Bueckers and all the pressure Geno is putting on her to break his eight year drought.
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She's trying to win her 1st. That's the pressure. He's got a bunch. And she thrives on pressure and he knows that. What he is doing is taking pressure off of the new players, especially Strong.
 
Alydar said:
Interesting.

Geno has said he prefers Euro-trained players because they spend 80% of their time practicing and have solid fundamentals, something he doesn't like to teach. So that's another possible facto

Then there is the fact that international players can't earn NIL money.

My own feeling is that there are a lot of great players emerging internationally and Geno likes to win.
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For whatever its worth, on and off Adia Barnes has praised international recruits (which she has always had) for a variety of reasons.

During the Covid times, Arizona had a zoom program with the three main coaches - football and men's basketball were new - and accepted submitted questions. Mine was one they talked on - recruiting of foreign players. I would suggest that what Adia and Tommy Lloyd said was not only complimentary of the experience of working with (predominately European) foreign players, but mildly critical of the attitude of some American players and their families.
 
Alydar said:
Interesting.

Geno has said he prefers Euro-trained players because they spend 80% of their time practicing and have solid fundamentals, something he doesn't like to teach. So that's another possible factor.

Then there is the fact that international players can't earn NIL money.

My own feeling is that there are a lot of great players emerging internationally and Geno likes to win.
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That isn't a fact. International athletes can earn NIL as Aaliyah proved last season. How they can without violating their visa is the difference.

Geno recruits international players soley for the reasons you stated. They're coming to UConn regardless of NIL opportunities elsewhere. And international players seeing what Aaliyah accomplished in her NIL deal now see it's possible to earn good NIL money if they choose UConn.

There are quite a few Canadian players who have NIL arrangements in place both in the women's and men's game. I don't understand how this inaccurate narrative continues to persist.
 
cancontent said:
That isn't a fact. International athletes can earn NIL as Aaliyah proved last season. How they can without violating their visa is the difference.

Geno recruits international players soley for the reasons you stated. They're coming to UConn regardless of NIL opportunities elsewhere. And international players seeing what Aaliyah accomplished in her NIL deal now see it's possible to earn good NIL money if they choose UConn.

There are quite a few Canadian players who have NIL arrangements in place both in the women's and men's game. I don't understand how this inaccurate narrative continues to persist.
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The issue with international athletes and NIL has to do with their F1 visas (student visas) which prohibit most active earned US income such as appearing in commercials, responding on blogs or anything that can be interpreted as work. These restrictions do not apply to US athletes.

However, international athletes are permitted to earn NIL compensation under two scenarios. They can earn so-called “passive” income by signing an agreement with a 3rd party allowing that party to use their NIL to sign agreements on their behalf, without active participation by the international athletes themselves, i.e. jersey sales.

The second scenario allows for international athletes to earn active NIL income in their home country. This has been the option used by a number of Canadian athletes in particular, including Aaliyah Edwards.
 
oldude said:
The second scenario allows for international athletes to earn active NIL income in their home country. This has been the option used by a number of Canadian athletes in particular, including Aaliyah Edwards.
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Yep, Alumni Booster Corp just now needs to hand the money bag over in the home country.:confused:
 
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oldude said:
The issue with international athletes and NIL has to do with their F1 visas (student visas) which prohibit most active earned US income such as appearing in commercials, responding on blogs or anything that can be interpreted as work. These restrictions do not apply to US athletes.

However, international athletes are permitted to earn NIL compensation under two scenarios. They can earn so-called “passive” income by signing an agreement with a 3rd party allowing that party to use their NIL to sign agreements on their behalf, without active participation by the international athletes themselves, i.e. jersey sales.

The second scenario allows for international athletes to earn active NIL income in their home country. This has been the option used by a number of Canadian athletes in particular, including Aaliyah Edwards.
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Kamilla Cardoso also earned NIL income in Brazil.
 
oldude said:
The issue with international athletes and NIL has to do with their F1 visas (student visas) which prohibit most active earned US income such as appearing in commercials, responding on blogs or anything that can be interpreted as work. These restrictions do not apply to US athletes.

However, international athletes are permitted to earn NIL compensation under two scenarios. They can earn so-called “passive” income by signing an agreement with a 3rd party allowing that party to use their NIL to sign agreements on their behalf, without active participation by the international athletes themselves, i.e. jersey sales.

The second scenario allows for international athletes to earn active NIL income in their home country. This has been the option used by a number of Canadian athletes in particular, including Aaliyah Edwards.
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Yes, I'm aware of the passive and active component. The statement some make that international athletes "can't" earn NIL money isn't true however. This is my bone of contention because people continue to repeat this when this has been clarified several times.
 
visitingcock said:
If any school is not sharing the profits from merchandise sales with the players they are gonna have legal problems. If UConn sold a #5 Bueckers jersey or poster, or keychain etc., she is entitled to be compensated for name and likeness. That's what started all the current mess. Now, there is some question whether UConn has to pay anything for a #5 jersey without her name on it, (but would that sell?)

The question is how are they compensated? Does Paige get a percentage based upon sales of her number. Does Azzi? Or, do they contract with the schools so that every player gets a percentage for all team jerseys and posters sold then divide it equally? It is rumored that SCar does the latter so that the lowest ranked freshman gets the same as the senior All American. Same with NIL collective money. Therein lies the notion of "salary."

Of course the real money is made of of things like endorsements that are paid by third parties, not the school. Although not paid by the schools, this is the area that worries me the most. Let's say you're an Aliyah Chavez visiting a South Carolina and are told "You will get $ 50,000 "salary" plus you could get a lot of money for endorsements - but we don't know how much? Let's say she visits LSU and is told "You won't get much "salary" but we've got folks here from Boudreax's Butt Paste and they are gonna pay you $500,000 dollars that you don't have to share with anybody." I don't care if she gets the Butt Paste endorsement but I don't want to see prearranged endorsements becoming part of the recruiting and , even scarier, the transfer process
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You are going to see these endorsements have a contractual out for many reasons before it's over. I would imagine they could be tied to the University, the region, the state, and the local endorsements also. These kids won't be able to just run to more money. That will be figured out when the rest has fallen into place. There will be 1-year deals and multiple year deals depending on what is best for those who are paying for the service. If these kids have to pay back NIL money that will be a game (pun intended) changer.
 
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jumpstart said:
You are going to see these endorsements have a contractual out for many reasons before it's over. I would imagine they could be tied to the University, the region, the state, and the local endorsements also. These kids won't be able to just run to more money. That will be figured out when the rest has fallen into place. There will be 1-year deals and multiple year deals depending on what is best for those who are paying for the service. If these kids have to pay back NIL money that will be a game (pun intended) changer.
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Could be, though I keep thinking that such deals aren't technically with the university for a reason. They're with some nominally separate entity. I wonder about the legality of a deal that requires a student to stay at a school even if they can fulfill the terms of the contract -- i.e. endorsing some product line -- from elsewhere. If it's legal for a university to be a party to the contract in this sense, then it would be legal for them simply to be the primary party to the contract, in which case there was no need for the collectives in the first place.
 
jumpstart said:
You are going to see these endorsements have a contractual out for many reasons before it's over. I would imagine they could be tied to the University, the region, the state, and the local endorsements also. These kids won't be able to just run to more money. That will be figured out when the rest has fallen into place. There will be 1-year deals and multiple year deals depending on what is best for those who are paying for the service. If these kids have to pay back NIL money that will be a game (pun intended) changer.
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We're also going to see athletes in long term deals with clauses that attach their future earnings to the NIL, like this ESPN article I read today. Paying back NIL could be the least of their concerns depending on how deals are structured.

www.espn.com

New NIL company raises red flags for consumer finance experts

A new company is offering college athletes upfront cash in exchange for a portion of their name, image and likeness deals, an arrangement some consumer protection experts and financial advisers say could prey on young athletes.
www.espn.com www.espn.com
 
cancontent said:
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We're also going to see athletes in long term deals with clauses that attach their future earnings to the NIL, like this ESPN article I read today. Paying back NIL could be the least of their concerns depending on how deals are structured.

www.espn.com

New NIL company raises red flags for consumer finance experts

A new company is offering college athletes upfront cash in exchange for a portion of their name, image and likeness deals, an arrangement some consumer protection experts and financial advisers say could prey on young athletes.
www.espn.com www.espn.com
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This sounds like a relationship with a loan shark, or more accurately a “payday loan.” Do athletes get their knuckles broken if they don’t pay back the money?
 
oldude said:
This sounds like a relationship with a loan shark, or more accurately a “payday loan.” Do athletes get their knuckles broken if they don’t pay back the money?
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Totally does. Seeing someone like Perkins associated with something like this caught me off guard.

Per the article, Perkins' Nilly team claims that the athletes won't be penalized if their earnings don't pan out as expected, but who really knows if this is true?
 
cancontent said:
Totally does. Seeing someone like Perkins associated with something like this caught me off guard.

Per the article, Perkins' Nilly team claims that the athletes won't be penalized if their earnings don't pan out as expected, but who really knows if this is true?
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Certainly, Perkins isn’t doing this out of the goodness of his heart. Obviously, he plans to make money by advancing young college athletes cash upfront and then collecting it back + interest and fees from future NIL earnings. If I’m a college coach, I don’t want any of my players anywhere near this scam.
 
cancontent said:
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We're also going to see athletes in long term deals with clauses that attach their future earnings to the NIL, like this ESPN article I read today. Paying back NIL could be the least of their concerns depending on how deals are structured.

www.espn.com

New NIL company raises red flags for consumer finance experts

A new company is offering college athletes upfront cash in exchange for a portion of their name, image and likeness deals, an arrangement some consumer protection experts and financial advisers say could prey on young athletes.
www.espn.com www.espn.com
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