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The Refs Stole The Game

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Bottom line.............

An entire crew CANNOT miss a call so obvious. It's not like that was a 'judgement' call, as with the typical foul. Watching with my brother, you could see in real time the ball was not released as the clock expired and we both said it almost simultaneously. The replay was absolutely blatant. That is wasn't reviewed at such a critical time, in a game so close, with the championship hanging in the balance................is laughable and only serves to make a mockery of the title.

There can be only 2 explanations.

1. The officials are incompetent to a degree that simply can't be tolerated.

2. Money changed hands in a fashion so suspect, a call to the FBI is in order.
 
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geneticrex said:
Bottom line...

An entire crew CANNOT miss a call so obvious. ...

There can be only 2 explanations.

1. The officials are incompetent to a degree that simply can't be tolerated.

2. Money changed hands in a fashion so suspect, a call to the FBI is in order.
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No politics ;)
 
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Minnesota coach Cheryl Reeve was livid in her postgame news conference following her team's loss to Los Angeles in the decisive Game 5 of the WNBA Finals on Thursday night.

After congratulating the Sparks for winning the WNBA championship with a 77-76 victory over the Lynx, Reeve lit into the officiating.

"It's really unfortunate that players continually put themselves out there, playing and competing at a really high level," Reeve said. "Whether it was the 8-second call in L.A. or the game today, doesn't matter, OK? The game today, it's not fair to the players. It's not enough just to apologize or send out a memo that they got something wrong, OK? These players are so invested, and something must be done about the officiating in this league because it's not fair to these great players we have
 
What I love most about that Reeve quote is Her acknowledging the missed 8-second call that her team benefited from, which was equally horrendous.

Missing a subjective call is one thing, but refs are trained to always be cognizant of time-related rules such as shot clocks and backcourt violations. It's inexcusable to blow these calls at anytime when a giant clock is doing your job for you, so I don't even have a word to describe screwing them up in the closing seconds of multiple championship games.

And do you know what the scariest part is? These are supposedly the top officials the women's game has to offer.
 
malevocalist# said:
Minnesota coach Cheryl Reeve was livid in her postgame news conference following her team's loss to Los Angeles in the decisive Game 5 of the WNBA Finals on Thursday night.

After congratulating the Sparks for winning the WNBA championship with a 77-76 victory over the Lynx, Reeve lit into the officiating.

"It's really unfortunate that players continually put themselves out there, playing and competing at a really high level," Reeve said. "Whether it was the 8-second call in L.A. or the game today, doesn't matter, OK? The game today, it's not fair to the players. It's not enough just to apologize or send out a memo that they got something wrong, OK? These players are so invested, and something must be done about the officiating in this league because it's not fair to these great players we have
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Im glad she said it and everyone is noticing it. Last year on here i wrote about it in a thread. i wrote about how i tried and tried to support the wnba, but the officials and even some players are just not up to an expected standard. Last year i watched almost the entire season and became outraged at the terrible officials and lazy play. I then wrote on here about how i wont be suprised if the wnba is soon no more. Last night was another prime example. At most jobs, last nights mistake is unacceptable. Here they apologize and go right back to work. Watch next year.....same story. All the little girls dreaming deserve a more refined league. Its not gonna be around much longer.....i give it under 10 years.
 
jimazee said:
No politics ;)
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More of a tongue-in-cheek organized crime (which I happen to have a modicum of experience with) reference, than politics.

Although the similarities are unmistakable.
 
I complain about WBB both college and WNBA have the worst officiating of any sport! Incompetence is not even strong enough to describe what happens in every game!
One of the main problems are the supervisors evaluating the refs, both in college and the pros are retired refs, that have been working with their "Friends" for over 20 years or so and retire to be the supervisor of a Conference or a league! How do you tell your best friends that they stunk up the court and embarrassed themselves in that game by making horrible calls?
Another problem especially in college is the refs work 5 to 6 games a week all over 1/2 the country, with air travel, hotels, meals, plus the games themselves! It has to take a lot out of 30 to 50 year old refs both mentally and physically!
 
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LadyVols9 said:
the refs missed a much easier call in game 4. all they had to do was count to 8 for a back court violation. that allowed 2 points and greatly impacted the end of that game. the shot clock violation tonight was a much harder call. both teams had chances to win with bad calls going on. the sparks ended up prevailing. i have to say i am very very happy for parker. she has had a ROUGH year with losing Pat, which was much harder on her than the olympic snub. glad to see her really smile and mean it. it's been awhile.
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That entire game you mentioned was a poorly called game in favor of LA. That game and game 5 proves LA can't beat the Lynx without plenty of ref help. But you need to understand that the WNBA in a business and LA needed something to get fan support there. Lynx winning was getting bad for this league. So the business decision was to spread the excitement to this huge base.
 
malevocalist# said:
Sorry. But that one play cost that team the game. Don't know which game you were watching. But that one play happen under a minute left.

That would have put the lynx up 2 points with under 50 seconds.

So tell me again. What game was you watching?

"One play don't cost you the game?" like hell it don't.
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What cost Minnesota the game was not blocking out the MVP of the league at the end of the game and letting her grab an offensive rebound and out hustle everyone else and making what turned out to be the winning shot. Grab that rebound and you win the championship, pure and simple.
 
Whenever folks use language along the lines of, "the refs stole the game," I am reminded of Notre Dame fans. 'Tis the classic losers' lament. Sure, the refs can play a part, as do turnovers, missed shots, etc. The Lynx don't have any excuses. Congrats to L.A. on a gritty performance!
 
Bigpetunia said:
Whenever folks use language along the lines of, "the refs stole the game," I am reminded of Notre Dame fans. 'Tis the classic losers' lament. Sure, the refs can play a part, as do turnovers, missed shots, etc. The Lynx don't have any excuses. Congrats to L.A. on a gritty performance!
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You act like the refs have never done damage. Sell that fish downstream.
 
Guys, the rule is in the last two minutes, it has to be reviewed IMMEDIATELY, before play continues.

The refs gestured for review, then gave Minnesota the ball who inbounded it. At that point it was no longer reviewable.

Reeve was not clear on this because she then called time out to ask them to review it, using her final timeout and preventing them from advancing to half court after Nneka's final shot.

I don't mind the blown call on the shot, mistakes happen like that. To not know the rule that in the final two minutes it has to immediately go to review and instead let Minnesota inbound and blow that rule, is inexcusable.
 
DishNSwish said:
Guys, the rule is in the last two minutes, it has to be reviewed IMMEDIATELY, before play continues.

The refs gestured for review, then gave Minnesota the ball who inbounded it. At that point it was no longer reviewable.

Reeve was not clear on this because she then called time out to ask them to review it, using her final timeout and preventing them from advancing to half court after Nneka's final shot.

I don't mind the blown call on the shot, mistakes happen like that. To not know the rule that in the final two minutes it has to immediately go to review and instead let Minnesota inbound and blow that rule, is inexcusable.
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Well said.
 
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malevocalist# said:
I don't care what no says. That basket when the clock went to zero should have never counted.
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So true. I was at the game. After that shot went in, coach Reeves was yelling at the officials "Review the shot! Review that Shot!!" She, along with the rest of us fans at the game last night, were amazed that the officials just ignored her.
 
Yeah the problem was the review, if you watch the mens games, there have been many reviews on whether it's a 3 or 2, or after the shot clock. This was a huge mistake as you are playing the game thinking there will be a review and the 2 will be removed and then that doesn't happen. It has nothing to do with any other calls. It is a really sad situation and these finals will be forever questioned.
 
One of the saddest episode i witness last night during the game is when the refs gave LA another point. A point by virtue of a technical foul on the Minnesota coach.

The Minnesota coach attempted to call timeout to get her injured player off the court.

SMH - Say it ain't so. That was pathetic!!!
 
wallman said:
Yeah the problem was the review, if you watch the mens games, there have been many reviews on whether it's a 3 or 2, or after the shot clock. This was a huge mistake as you are playing the game thinking there will be a review and the 2 will be removed and then that doesn't happen. It has nothing to do with any other calls. It is a really sad situation and these finals will be forever questioned.
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My point excatly. Thank you!

People tend to look at the fail 8 seconds call as if the failure to review was needed to make up for the 8 seconds.

So they point to the game in LA looking to JUSTIFY the dung in Minnesota.

All in all the women's game needs better refs period.

But don't you dare give me excuses for last night by pointing to other factors that has nothing to do with damage of the failed review, after acknowledging in advance it needed to be reviewed.

But yet you don't stop the game to do so.

I hit your car from behind because I was driving to close. But had you been going faster and not doing the speed limit it could of been avoided. You deserved it because it happened to me a few days ago.
 
RSHERMVIKES said:
I complain about WBB both college and WNBA have the worst officiating of any sport! Incompetence is not even strong enough to describe what happens in every game!
One of the main problems are the supervisors evaluating the refs, both in college and the pros are retired refs, that have been working with their "Friends" for over 20 years or so and retire to be the supervisor of a Conference or a league! How do you tell your best friends that they stunk up the court and embarrassed themselves in that game by making horrible calls?
Another problem especially in college is the refs work 5 to 6 games a week all over 1/2 the country, with air travel, hotels, meals, plus the games themselves! It has to take a lot out of 30 to 50 year old refs both mentally and physically!
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Although I'm not sure it is quite as bad as you say (it isn't good, I agree), and I don't really have an issue with who reviews them (it isn't always "retired" refs and it isn't always ex "refs", although it can be). But your last point is extremely well taken. And 50 is being charitable at the top end. Some are pushing 60, for sure.
 
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From the WNBA site:

October 21, 2016

NEW YORK, Oct. 21, 2016 – Renee Brown, WNBA Chief of Basketball Operations and Player Relations, issued the following statement today regarding a play late in the fourth quarter of the Los Angeles Sparks’ 77-76 win over the Minnesota Lynx on Thursday at Target Center:

“After reviewing postgame video, we have determined that Nneka Ogwumike’s shot with 1:14 remaining in regulation time should not have counted due to a shot-clock violation, and that the referees improperly failed to review the play under the instant replay rules.”
 
StarMan said:
From the WNBA site:

October 21, 2016

NEW YORK, Oct. 21, 2016 – Renee Brown, WNBA Chief of Basketball Operations and Player Relations, issued the following statement today regarding a play late in the fourth quarter of the Los Angeles Sparks’ 77-76 win over the Minnesota Lynx on Thursday at Target Center:

“After reviewing postgame video, we have determined that Nneka Ogwumike’s shot with 1:14 remaining in regulation time should not have counted due to a shot-clock violation, and that the referees improperly failed to review the play under the instant replay rules.”
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So they admit the refs stole the game. That's nice - "Our Bad, oh well" - Idiots.
 
It's over and done with. At some point you have to accept that things won't change and you just have to accept that poor officiating is still part of the game.

After the Louisville game Baylor fans were told to suck it up, that bad officiating is part of the game and that you have to know how to win despite poor officiating. Kim Mulkey and Brittney Griner were deemed as failures for not winning that game. It doesn't seem that the same rule applies to Reeve and the Minnesota players.
 
easttexastrash said:
After the Louisville game Baylor fans were told to suck it up, that bad officiating is part of the game and that you have to know how to win despite poor officiating. Kim Mulkey and Brittney Griner were deemed as failures for not winning that game. It doesn't seem that the same rule applies to Reeve and the Minnesota players.
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No that was the NCAA rule, this is the WNBA rule. :p

Plus the dislike for Candace here is order-of-magnitude greater than it ever was for Brittney.
 
DaddyChoc said:
did we want Maya to win another title it that bad or just didn't want CP3 to win one.

the Lynx screwed up when they lost game one, bottom line!
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They had their opportunities in this game 5 also, but couldn't seal the deal. Rebound and game over. Make both free throws (Brunson) and game is tied. Brian Agler said it best after LA lost in game 4. He said, "champions don't make excuses." Reeves could learn from this and not taint the WNBA with her comments during that moment. Address it post season, but don't make it the story of the WNBA Game 5. It was a self serving moment for her, but I'm not surprised. Lisa Leslie said it comes off as being a sore loser and yes, it does.

She didn't throw a fit last season when they won against Phoenix on a horrible call. She didn't throw a fit when the 8 second call was missed and they won. She didn't throw a fit when the Sparks had 16 fouls to only 9 for the Lynx. She didn't have a problem with LA having 2 of their best offensive weapons in Nneka and Toliver riding the bench.
 
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