The One Seed

[undersized]

No. The Big will not get two one seeds. No conference will.

Sorry but you never provide evidence to back up your claims, or bother to look at recent history it seems. See as recently as last year when NC State and Louisville from the ACC both got 1-seeds.

 

[GCKSFN4L]

Maryland was a full seed line higher than Iowa before that game. Creme and Gauer both had UMD as 1s after the loss.

I'm not using Creme or anybody else. I was going solely off of what the Committee has released for my personal reasoning.

 

[triaddukefan]

Sorry but you never provide evidence to back up your claims, or bother to look at recent history it seems. See as recently as last year when NC State and Louisville from the ACC both got 1-seeds.

Its happened quite a few times. The ACC has probably had four cases of getting double #1 seeds

 

[visitingcock]

Lol at Oklahoma. Seriously?

If and only if they run the table. Remember, the Big 12 tournament hasn’t started yet

 

[GamecockFam]

For the most part Va Tech passed the eye test in the ACC tournament. They struggled against the Louisville press but were otherwise outstanding. My gut is telling me they'll be the 4th 1 seed. I'm still not convinced Stanford will be a 1 seed. I don't get it but others seem convinced. IMO it's a four way race for the 3rd and 4th 1-seed between UConn, Iowa, Va Tech, and Stanford.

 

[sweetspot]

If and only if they run the table. Remember, the Big 12 tournament hasn’t started yet

They weren't even in the last top 16.

 

[nwhoopfan]

Yeah, I'm not seeing it for Oklahoma. Utah DESTROYED them early in the year, that alone should give the Utes a big leg up over them in seeding. Beating BYU and Ole Miss in OOC is not nearly enough to put them in the conversation.

 

[Bone Dog]

Watching the Pac12 final really underlines how that conference does NOT deserve two #1 seeds. It’s not even really clear that they deserve two #2 seeds.

Is any conference strong enough to have two teams in the top two lines? Maybe the Big10 with IU as a 1 and either Iowa or tOSU as a 2. I’d have said the SEC could have been another before LSU lost to Tennessee. But now I see LSU as a 3 and Tennessee as a solid 4. And the PAC 12 with Stanford and Utah as possible 2 seeds or maybe one of them as a 1 seed?

The ACC is not really a contender anymore in my book. Va Tech looks like a solid 2, and MD and Duke are 3s at best. UNC and Louisville look like 5s. And the Big12? Who is better than a 4 there? Texas maybe?

The BE looks to me have three teams that are at least an 8 seed: Villanova Marquette and Creighton. And UConn is a credible #1 seed or at worst a solid 2 seed. But will the committee let 4 BE teams in? I fear not.

 

[Bjbod]

Ohio State going to need to break yesterday's comeback record to win today: 44-15 Iowa, 5:01 left in 2nd.

 

[Bone Dog]

Ohio State going to need to break yesterday's comeback record to win today: 44-15 Iowa, 5:01 left in 2nd.

If they can pull it off, it would be a sight to see. But if not, they’ve pretty much fitted themselves out for a 5 seed or worse.

 

[CTGirl15]

The BE looks to me have three teams that are at least an 8 seed: Villanova Marquette and Creighton. And UConn is a credible #1 seed or at worst a solid 2 seed. But will the committee let 4 BE teams in? I fear not.

They might after the showing last year from the BE in the tournament. I think they get 4 teams. I think St. Johns ends up the odd one out, but they have that UConn win on their resume so you never know. But I think the Big East has 3 definite tournament teams, 1 'should be in' and 1 'might make it in'.

 

[bballnut90]

Its happened quite a few times. The ACC has probably had four cases of getting double #1 seeds

7 by my count:
2006 Duke/UNC
2007 Duke/UNC
2008 Maryland/UNC
2009 Duke/Maryland
2018 Louisville/ND
2019 Louisville/ND
2022 Louisville/NC State

Only 1 title has emerged in those 7 years, with it ironically being Maryland winning in 2006 when they were a #2 seed.

 

[triaddukefan]

7 by my count:
2006 Duke/UNC
2007 Duke/UNC
2008 Maryland/UNC
2009 Duke/Maryland
2018 Louisville/ND
2019 Louisville/ND
2022 Louisville/NC State

Only 1 title has emerged in those 7 years, with it ironically being Maryland winning in 2006 when they were a #2 seed.

I was gonna say thanks for putting this up and 7 is impressive, but you had to add that last sentence.

 

[southie]

If and only if they run the table. Remember, the Big 12 tournament hasn’t started yet

Stop it. Oklahoma has not even been in the Top 16 in any reveal. Even if they win the conference tourney, that won't add any wins over Top 10 NET teams.

Several of us have been saying on here for the last couple of weeks that no Big 12 team will get a Top 8 national seed.

 

[TheFarmFan]

Interestingly, after last night's games, Massey has four teams that have separated themselves from the rest: SCAR, Stanford, UConn, and Indiana. Barring a weird Villanova upset this evening, #5 LSU and #6 Va. Tech trail by a decent margin.

 

[visitingcock]

Stop it. Oklahoma has not even been in the Top 16 in any reveal. Even if they win the conference tourney, that won't add any wins over Top 10 NET teams.

Several of us have been saying on here for the last couple of weeks that no Big 12 team will get a Top 8 national seed.

No, they have not (though Texas is NET 11). I admit that my mention of Oklahoma was a shock tactic to draw outrage. I also doubt the Big 12 gets a top 8 seed

BUT

In my opinion, Oklahoma is being royally screwed by the NET algorithm and the committee will probably continue to screw them.

They are the Big 12 regular season co-champion and are ranked only 36th by the NET algorithm. By contrast, the other Big 12 co-champ, your Longhorns are ranked 11th by the same algorithm and Iowa State is ranked 14th.

Oklahoma is 24-5 overall and 14-2 in conference play
TeXas is 23-8 overall and 14-2 in conference play
Iowa State is only 19-9 overall and only 11-5 in conference play

I guess (according to Alexis Phillipou of ESPN) the women's committee does not place importance on Quad records like the men's committee does (topic for different day) But I want to look at the Quad records to show how these three teams did against top-50-ish teams.

Oklahoma has played twelve Quad One Games and is 8-4 but also has a one Quad Two loss for a Q1 wins minus losses net of plus 3.
Texas has played fourteen Quad One Games and is 7-7 but also has one Quad Two loss for a Q1 wins minus losses net of -1
Iowa State has played fourteen Quad One games and is 6-8 but also has one Quad Two loss for a Q1 wins minus losses net of -3.
So, it looks like Texas is and Iowa State get a rankings boost for playing two more Q-1 teams even though they lost thse games!

At the present NET ranking, Texas and Oklahoma State would get 1st/2d round games at home but Oklahoma would not.

Of course, the Big 12 Tournament will change these number and the results remain to be seen but The NET Algorithm rewards Texas and Iowa State while penalizing the Conference Co-Champ. (BTW, if Oklahoma wins out, add three more Q-One wins, which would put them in the top 8 Q-One minus losses net wins. )

NET is an algorithm and has no bias against Oklahoma; however, the result is illogical. Some over emphasis in the algorith has to be adjusted in the future. I hope the committee adjust Oklahoma's actual seeding - especially if they win out

 

[ISUnorth]

No, they have not (though Texas is NET 11). I admit that my mention of Oklahoma was a shock tactic to draw outrage. I also doubt the Big 12 gets a top 8 seed

BUT

In my opinion, Oklahoma is being royally screwed by the NET algorithm and the committee will probably continue to screw them.

They are the Big 12 regular season co-champion and are ranked only 36th by the NET algorithm. By contrast, the other Big 12 co-champ, your Longhorns are ranked 11th by the same algorithm and Iowa State is ranked 14th.

Oklahoma is 24-5 overall and 14-2 in conference play
TeXas is 23-8 overall and 14-2 in conference play
Iowa State is only 19-9 overall and only 11-5 in conference play

I guess (according to Alexis Phillipou of ESPN) the women's committee does not place importance on Quad records like the men's committee does (topic for different day) But I want to look at the Quad records to show how these three teams did against top-50-ish teams.

Oklahoma has played twelve Quad One Games and is 8-4 but also has a one Quad Two loss for a Q1 wins minus losses net of plus 3.
Texas has played fourteen Quad One Games and is 7-7 but also has one Quad Two loss for a Q1 wins minus losses net of -1
Iowa State has played fourteen Quad One games and is 6-8 but also has one Quad Two loss for a Q1 wins minus losses net of -3.
So, it looks like Texas is and Iowa State get a rankings boost for playing two more Q-1 teams even though they lost thse games!

At the present NET ranking, Texas and Oklahoma State would get 1st/2d round games at home but Oklahoma would not.

Of course, the Big 12 Tournament will change these number and the results remain to be seen but The NET Algorithm rewards Texas and Iowa State while penalizing the Conference Co-Champ. (BTW, if Oklahoma wins out, add three more Q-One wins, which would put them in the top 8 Q-One minus losses net wins. )

NET is an algorithm and has no bias against Oklahoma; however, the result is illogical. Some over emphasis in the algorith has to be adjusted in the future. I hope the committee adjust Oklahoma's actual seeding - especially if they win out

The Big 12 NET's are why the NET is only one of the tools used. I see it more of a tie breaker tool when the other factors are causing a coin flip. I'm an ISU alumni and the Cyclones NET has been weirdly high all season and without Soares at center the number is just plan stupid. ISU probably won't even be ranked after today yet there were still some of my fellow fans looking at NET like it means we have a shot at hosting still, LOL.

Sooners should be higher NET but I am still not sure they should be Top 16 and hosting. They don't play great defense and can foul a lot. Texas, less their periodic clunkers, should still be the best Big 12 tournament this March. BTW, both are 14-4, not 14-2 in league. With the league down I thought 14-4 would win it outright and 13-5 might be good for a share, wasn't off by much. Overall the Big 12 has really sucked compared to past years. The problem with the Big 12 tournament having any impact is (1) the league sucks so there won't be anything like the Big Ten's semi-final's of four hosting teams (2) it's the last weekend and stuff is decided (as it should be, it's a 30 game season).

 

[TheFarmFan]

Oklahoma is presently 17th per Massey, which is about right, if a little high. The problem is that if you sort their wins by Massey rank, they are 2-5 against top teams, they had two blowout losses to Texas, a massive blowout to Utah, and two ~10pt losses to Baylor and Iowa State. And their only two top 30 wins are a 3pt home win vs. Iowa State and a 2pt OT win at Baylor. That's an awfully thin resume, and especially for NET, which factors in margin of victory. That they also have the 231st(!!) ranked defense doesn't help suggest they're a particularly top squad...

 

[GCKSFN4L]

After yesterday I think Iowa is the favorite for the 4th #1 seed. When most teams faltered Iowa took care of business. In the past two weeks they've avenged two of their losses against top teams and destroyed a good OSU team. I think they their resume, SOS and recent eye test will propel them to that spot.

 

[visitingcock]

Oklahoma is presently 17th per Massey, which is about right, if a little high. The problem is that if you sort their wins by Massey rank, they are 2-5 against top teams, they had two blowout losses to Texas, a massive blowout to Utah, and two ~10pt losses to Baylor and Iowa State. And their only two top 30 wins are a 3pt home win vs. Iowa State and a 2pt OT win at Baylor. That's an awfully thin resume, and especially for NET, which factors in margin of victory. That they also have the 231st(!!) ranked defense doesn't help suggest they're a particularly top squad...

I'm not saying they are the best in the conference, but just that the 36th rank is way too Low

 

[visitingcock]

After yesterday I think Iowa is the favorite for the 4th #1 seed. When most teams faltered Iowa took care of business. In the past two weeks they've avenged two of their losses against top teams and destroyed a good OSU team. I think they their resume, SOS and recent eye test will propel them to that spot.

If TV programmers picked, they would be top 4.

 

[southie]

After yesterday I think Iowa is the favorite for the 4th #1 seed. When most teams faltered Iowa took care of business. In the past two weeks they've avenged two of their losses against top teams and destroyed a good OSU team. I think they their resume, SOS and recent eye test will propel them to that spot.

It could come down to how strong the committee views the B1G conference versus the ACC. Neither Iowa nor Virginia Tech won their regular season titles; both finished second. Both ended up winning the tourney titles, but neither one had to beat the #1 seed.

Notre Dame won the regular season ACC title, but doesn't seem to be in the discussion for a #1 see (injuries or blowout loss in the semi-finals). With Indiana winning the B1G regular season title and pretty much having wrapped up a #1 seed, does the committee award the B1G conference a second #1 seed?

 

[cancontent]

It could come down to how strong the committee views the B1G conference versus the ACC. Neither Iowa nor Virginia Tech won their regular season titles; both finished second. Both ended up winning the tourney titles, but neither one had to beat the #1 seed.

Notre Dame won the regular season ACC title, but doesn't seem to be in the discussion for a #1 see (injuries or blowout loss in the semi-finals). With Indiana winning the B1G regular season title and pretty much having wrapped up a #1 seed, does the committee award the B1G conference a second #1 seed?

Considering how Iowa played both Indiana and Maryland over the last couple weeks, I'm wondering if that helps their case to be the second B1G #1 seed?

 

[BRS24]

 

[undersized]

Color me shocked that the Maryland fan account thinks Maryland should be seeded higher than Iowa. Maryland's marquee win over UConn has a gigantic frickin asterisk by it given the lineup UConn was fielding at the time. And I'm the furthest thing from a UConn apologist you'll find in terms of giving them slack for their injury woes relative to other teams. Maryland is the third best team in the conference both by regular season results and tournament results. That does not equal a 1 seed.

I think Iowa's non-conference schedule is also being dismissed too readily. Yes, the loss @ Kansas State was terrible. But their win over Iowa State was against the DANGEROUS final four contender version of Iowa State, while they still had Stephanie Soares. ISU has struggled as of late, but that shouldn't devalue the teams the teams who beat them early on. Additionally, Iowa played a healthy NC State and a healthy UConn very close. If Iowa had played the version of UConn Maryland did, Iowa also would have won IMO.

My order:
South Carolina
Indiana
Stanford
Virginia Tech
Iowa
UConn
Maryland

 

[hoopsnloops32]

Color me shocked that the Maryland fan account thinks Maryland should be seeded higher than Iowa. Maryland's marquee win over UConn has a gigantic frickin asterisk by it given the lineup UConn was fielding at the time. And I'm the furthest thing from a UConn apologist you'll find in terms of giving them slack for their injury woes relative to other teams. Maryland is the third best team in the conference both by regular season results and tournament results. That does not equal a 1 seed.

I think Iowa's non-conference schedule is also being dismissed too readily. Yes, the loss @ Kansas State was terrible. But their win over Iowa State was against the DANGEROUS final four contender version of Iowa State, while they still had Stephanie Soares. ISU has struggled as of late, but that shouldn't devalue the teams the teams who beat them early on. Additionally, Iowa played a healthy NC State and a healthy UConn very close. If Iowa had played the version of UConn Maryland did, Iowa also would have won IMO.

My order:
South Carolina
Indiana
Stanford
Virginia Tech
Iowa
UConn
Maryland

They didn’t play a healthy UConn. Dorka was out.

 

[sweetspot]

What if I told told you that the tweeter actually doesn't think Iowa should be seeded below MD?

 

[undersized]

They didn’t play a healthy UConn. Dorka was out.

UConn without Dorka >>>>>> UConn without Fudd/Muhl/Ducharme

 

[hoopsnloops32]

UConn without Dorka >>>>>> UConn without Fudd/Muhl/Ducharme

Which is still worse than a healthy UConn.

 

[Alydar]

UConn has done exactly what the NCAA has been asking programs to do, schedule competitive non-conference games. So don't be surprised if UConn gets punished for it.