The Official Thread of The New York Yankees - 2022

[ihatepants]

"The only thing that stopped (us) was something that was so illegal and horrific," Cashman told The Athletic. "So I get offended when I start hearing we haven't been to the World Series since '09. Because I’m like, 'Well, I think we actually did it the right way.' Pulled it down, brought it back up. Drafted well, traded well, developed well, signed well. The only thing that derailed us was a cheating circumstance that threw us off."

Cashman is such a loser. What an utterly embarrassing thing to say.

 

[ShakyTheMohel]

Cashman is such a loser. What an utterly embarrassing thing to say.

Yeah...that was disappointing.

 

[Scoe]

 

[ShakyTheMohel]

Sevvy’s spring training start being pushed back due to arm sorenesses.

Nice outing today for Sevvy! I am thinking more and more he is the lynchpin for a successful season. If he regains his form, he will make the Yankees a top team. If not....they will just be ok.

Also...love that Higgy is having an amazing spring.... but can he save some for the season? Lol.

 

[StllH8L8ner]

Nice outing today for Sevvy! I am thinking more and more he is the lynchpin for a successful season. If he regains his form, he will make the Yankees a top team. If not....they will just be ok.

Also...love that Higgy is having an amazing spring.... but can he save some for the season? Lol.

Yeah Sevvy looked great today as did the offense in general. Hopefully they can keep it rolling into the season.

 

[Hey Adrien!]

I could only laugh when I learned Greg Bird was signed by the Yankees immediately after he was released by Toronto

Yankees, Greg Bird Agree To Minor League Deal

The Yankees have signed first baseman Greg Bird to a minor league contract, reports Sweeny Murti of WFAN (Twitter link). Bird, …

www.mlbtraderumors.com

Granted, he played his AAA games mostly in elevation, but he had nice numbers last year: .267/.362/.894 with 27 HRs, 91 RBI

 

[StllH8L8ner]

I could only laugh when I learned Greg Bird was signed by the Yankees immediately after he was released by Toronto

Yankees, Greg Bird Agree To Minor League Deal

The Yankees have signed first baseman Greg Bird to a minor league contract, reports Sweeny Murti of WFAN (Twitter link). Bird, …

www.mlbtraderumors.com

Granted, he played his AAA games mostly in elevation, but he had nice numbers last year: .267/.362/.894 with 27 HRs, 91 RBI

I was laughing my arse off also when I saw this bc I have a running joke with some relatives that Bird would find a way back to the Yankees at some point.

My bro-in-law sent me a screenshot yesterday that he got released and my response was “Cashman will sign him to a minor league deal”. Then I got the notification this morning that he signed a minor league deal with the Yanks. Cashman loves him for whatever reason.

 

[Scoe]

Estevan Florian hits 2 hrs last night, I almost forgot all about him seems like he’s been here for 10 years lol. He should be on the roster over Hicks, he batted .300 last year. Of course you couldn’t trade him while his value was high then he’s stashed in the minors and not given a chance.

Andujar the same thing, could’ve dealt him for Cole, or you could’ve groomed him to play 1B.

 

[Hey Adrien!]

Watching Cole's reaction to Donaldson's walk-off single...time to bury the hatchet on their "beef".

 

[Dove]

"Ladies and gentlemen-men-men.
The New York Yankees-kees-kees
would like to announce-ounce-ounce
prior to today's game-game-game
that Aaron Judge-Judge-Judge
has rejected an 8-year contract-tract-tract
in excess-ess-ess
of 200 million-milLION-MILLION(!!!!)
dollars-dollars-dollars!!!!

At this time-time-time....
please rise-rise-rise
for the singing-ing-ing
of our National Anthem-them-them."

 

[Scoe]

I believe theres more to the Judge story. He sees the writing on the wall with how the Yankees have operated, creating a losers environment with nothing but excuses far different when Girardi was in that clubhouse he wants to win a world series.

Now I think 9 years is ridiculous maybe he asked for that knowing Yankees weren't giving that to him, maybe he just wants to test the open market. Cardinals let Pujols go after winning a world series, and the Braves letting Freddie Freeman go, not that I think this team is winning the world series but it is baseball.

 

[billythekid]

I believe theres more to the Judge story. He sees the writing on the wall with how the Yankees have operated, creating a losers environment with nothing but excuses far different when Girardi was in that clubhouse he wants to win a world series.

Now I think 9 years is ridiculous maybe he asked for that knowing Yankees weren't giving that to him, maybe he just wants to test the open market. Cardinals let Pujols go after winning a world series, and the Braves letting Freddie Freeman go, not that I think this team is winning the world series but it is baseball.

I think that's a reach. From what I've read, the Yankee offer would top the contract given Mookie Betts and would be behind only Mike Trout's contract for outfielders. As much as I love Aaron Judge, he's no Mike Trout. I find it hard to believe that he turns that offer down simply to get out of town, not knowing which team might sign him and whether that team would offer a better chance of winning a World Series than the Yankees. To me, this is a guy who is betting on himself. He has a number in his head that he values himself at and is willing to pass up the security of the Yankee offer for a shot at free agency. I'm hoping this translates into a monster season as he tries to show the world that he is worthy of a Trout-like contract.

 

[Kolumbo]

oh, so u stole a pic off of a beer can made by a bunch of hopheads who prolly start their day with a handful of oxy's washed down with an ipa, and they call it 'davidly roth?' lotsa bad on this. lots.

on the udder hand, lotsa good on this!
nothing but t/a's, gt's, and z28's as far as the eye can see.


there can be only one. take ur shirt off when you mention his name, however u spell it.
respect!

Great video. The sound on the udder hand, he definitely aint de one. Led me to an equally impressive video of an RHCP classic but the sound on this one is very bad.

 

[EnochRoot]

Aaron Judge isn't being realistic with his wish of 9-10 years and 300 million. Dude will be 30 in two weeks, and has only been healthy in two of his four full seasons (not counting the COVID year, where he only played in 28 of 60 possible games anyway). If I'm Cashman, I trade him for a legit prospect in an area of need and then enter the bidding with 29 other teams in the off-season. Put Stanton in RF and Dan Hurley Torres.

 

[Scoe]

I see both sides of it, Judge is talking a risk though with his health hes banking on a big year. Yankees made a huge mistake with the Stanton deal and the Hicks extension. If I were working for the Yankees a deal wouldve been reached, I wouldve given 5 years 300 mill.

 

[Scoe]

Aaron Judge isn't being realistic with his wish of 9-10 years and 300 million. Dude will be 30 in two weeks, and has only been healthy in two of his four full seasons (not counting the COVID year, where he only played in 28 of 60 possible games anyway). If I'm Cashman, I trade him for a legit prospect in an area of need and then enter the bidding with 29 other teams in the off-season. Put Stanton in RF and Dan Hurley Torres.

If your gonna Dan Hurley Torres you gotta deal him, I know dealing Stanton isnt realistic.

 

[ShakyTheMohel]

Refresh my memory....was there ever a risk Jeter would walk? Were his negotiations ever as public as Judge's?

I am surprised he turned down that offer from Cashman. He is a big guy and likely to have injury issues. Stanton is clogging the Dan Hurley spot, so that's not an option. 7 years sounded about right to me. Hopefully they can work it out...if not...I wont be devastated.

 

[EnochRoot]

If your gonna Dan Hurley Torres you gotta deal him, I know dealing Stanton isnt realistic.

Not really. If he can just focus on hitting he can rake again like he did a few years ago. Let Stanton play RF and go get a legit catching prospect for Judge. Let him prove to the world he's worth Mike Trout-type money by playing out the season in Milwaukee or Arizona.

 

[Scoe]

Not really. If he can just focus on hitting he can rake again like he did a few years ago. Let Stanton play RF and go get a legit catching prospect for Judge. Let him prove to the world he's worth Mike Trout-type money by playing out the season in Milwaukee or Arizona.

Well see how it all plays out, its beyond my control lol. If your in 1st place I highly doubt Judge would be traded, at the deadline you ask yourself can we win the world series in 2022, if the answers yes your not trading Judge, theres still a chance Judge could test the market and not get 300 mill and go back to the Yankees. The Cards let Pujols go after winning a world series and the Braves let Freeman go.

 

[ihatepants]

I'm probably too young or started following baseball too recently, but have there been any other Yankees that have gone from universally beloved to somewhat of a pariah with the fanbase as quickly as Judge has? Between this contract situation regarding his rumored counteroffer and antivaxx stance (which will probably become even more of an issue when they finally start playing games in Toronto - or if they have to play the Jays in the playoffs), it seems like the fanbase turned on him extremely quickly.

 

[Scoe]

Refresh my memory....was there ever a risk Jeter would walk? Were his negotiations ever as public as Judge's?

I am surprised he turned down that offer from Cashman. He is a big guy and likely to have injury issues. Stanton is clogging the Dan Hurley spot, so that's not an option. 7 years sounded about right to me. Hopefully they can work it out...if not...I wont be devastated.

The Boss was there so a deal was getting done with Jeter and no social media back then. I can recall when Jeter was a FA in 2011 he was 37 so no market for him and details of the deal became public, and Jeter was pretty pissed at Cashman for leaking it, still to this day.

Im sure Judge looked at Anthony Rendon contract, which is 300 mill but this is the Angels were talking about who throw around stupid money, look where its gotten them.

 

[Scoe]

 

[ClifSpliffy]

i think that they are playing us, which is their right to do. they're in the entertainment biz, and having the will he/won't he stuff is just so much free advertising.
on the udder hand, and only learning here that ol 99 has some jab biz going on, it's also likely that people can have mixed emotions on that. look at the actual number of folks in the stands so far. empty seats, opening series, red sox.
i wasn't there, and so too a whole pantload of pals, sox and yankee fans, seem of the mind 'i don't need no stinkin hassles.'
lots of things have changed...

but not us winning! expect more, lots more.
cone is getting senile. on the intro to pivaretta or whatever, his last season data is on the screen as cone excitedly says 'pretty good!' the data was a sea of nothing. on the udder, udder hand, they put up marinaccio or whatevers data, and they were lit. then he makes his intro, stumbles a bit, then came back to roast the sox. impressive.
mr stanton is now 6 straight games with a blast, and looooooooooie is back. throwing 100 mph peas.

 

[Scoe]

I'm probably too young or started following baseball too recently, but have there been any other Yankees that have gone from universally beloved to somewhat of a pariah with the fanbase as quickly as Judge has? Between this contract situation regarding his rumored counteroffer and antivaxx stance (which will probably become even more of an issue when they finally start playing games in Toronto - or if they have to play the Jays in the playoffs), it seems like the fanbase turned on him extremely quickly.

Not me, the Yankees have become a corporate PR machine, this is the same front office that fired Girardi even though he over achieved in 2017, and hired Aaron Boone because hes a nice guy. Judge has done more for my team to win a world series then the Yankees have under Hal. Fans do buy the Yankees propaganda, that is backed by the local media being an optimistic fan is one thing but the ones constantly defend the team their part of the problem.

 

[ihatepants]

Buster Olney wrote about some more details regarding contract extension talks with Judge

The Yankees and Judge were not close to reaching an agreement in their negotiations, according to sources; in fact, they weren't really even in the same financial universes. In speaking with reporters Friday, Cashman outlined the Yankees' extension of $213.5 million over seven years, or $30.5 million a year -- and sources said that total package was about 60 to 70% of the range that Judge sought: $36 million annual salary over a contract length of nine or 10 years.

In designing their offer to Judge, industry sources say, the Yankees considered the contracts among the big league's four highest-paid outfielders: Giancarlo Stanton, Judge's teammate, signed his 13-year, $325 million deal at age 25. Bryce Harper signed his 13-year, $330 million deal with the Philadelphia Phillies at age 23 -- for an average annual salary slightly above Stanton's, about $25.4 million annually.

Mookie Betts whose 12-year, $365 million deal is considered to have about $26 million in annual value, in present-day value, because of the high share of deferred money (a trademark of recent Dodgers contracts).

Only Mike Trout's whopper deal, signed at age 27, exceeds the annual rate that Judge sought: $426.5 million over 12 years, for an average annual value of $35.5 million.

The Yankees' perspective through their negotiations with Judge, who turns 30 on April 26, was that because Stanton, Harper, Trout and Betts signed at much younger ages than Judge, their respective teams had a greater chance to invest in the peak years of those players' careers. Harper, Stanton, Trout and Betts all first signed professionally out of high school, accelerating their paths to the big leagues at a younger age. Judge attended Fresno State, and was picked by the Yankees in the first round of the 2013, when he was 21 years old.

The Yankees' offer would've covered Judge's age 31 through age 37 seasons. Yankees officials felt they might be able to entice Judge by offering more in annual salary than Stanton, Harper and Betts, even though it was slightly less than Trout. Judge's salary request was slightly north of where Trout stands, and depending on the accounting, would make him the highest-paid player in baseball.

...

In the negotiations between Judge and the Yankees, Judge's camp made the argument that he's worth more to the Yankees because he's already established as a New York star. The Yankees countered that the pinstriped franchise is worth more to Judge than any other team would be, as a foundation for his brand. A decade ago, the Yankees and All-Star second baseman Robinson Canoreached an impasse in their negotiations, and Cano signed a 10-year, $240 million deal with the Mariners -- and Cano hasn't appeared in a playoff game since.

Aaron Judge will spend baseball season in spotlight after failed long-term contract negotiations with New York Yankees

New York's larger-than-life slugger is in a familiar place now that he is likely to test free agency: the spotlight.

www.espn.com

 

[ShakyTheMohel]

Buster Olney wrote about some more details regarding contract extension talks with Judge

Aaron Judge will spend baseball season in spotlight after failed long-term contract negotiations with New York Yankees

New York's larger-than-life slugger is in a familiar place now that he is likely to test free agency: the spotlight.

www.espn.com

If the details in that article are accurate...I agree with cashman on this. Committing big dollars beyond age 37 is not smart.

I still think they should have signed Bryce Harper.

 

[billythekid]

I'm probably too young or started following baseball too recently, but have there been any other Yankees that have gone from universally beloved to somewhat of a pariah with the fanbase as quickly as Judge has? Between this contract situation regarding his rumored counteroffer and antivaxx stance (which will probably become even more of an issue when they finally start playing games in Toronto - or if they have to play the Jays in the playoffs), it seems like the fanbase turned on him extremely quickly.

I no longer live on the East Coast, so I don't get to listen to talk radio, but I follow the Yankees on TV and in the press and I don't get the sense that the fans have turned on Judge at this point. I read the NY Post daily and their columnists have not yet started to tear into Judge. I think there's worry that the deal didn't get done yet, but it's hard to knock a guy for betting on himself. This situation is unlike, let's say, Kristaps Porzingis with the Knicks where Porzingis was viewed as a villain for forcing his way off the team. I watched the YES opening day broadcast and Judge seemed to get, by far, the loudest ovation during the opening lineup announcements. I think even if Judge leaves in free agency after the season he will still be met with an ovation when he returns to Yankee Stadium wearing another uniform. That last statement is null and void if that uniform is a Red Sox uniform ;-).

 

[ClifSpliffy]

i like aaron judge. he's been fun, and sometimes productive, but looking at his resume with plain old cold logic, and thinking he's been much more than box office candy, doesn't work.
not much there other than a stellar season 5 years ago, and a noteworthy obp. that's it. 1500 hits, 400 hrs, or 1000 rbi's for his career currently look like a stretch. they compare his record to others similarily situated, and we find the names jon nunally, jayson bay, and brian giles. who?
i've never cared much aboot money in sports. what people make or what they're worth means mostly nuthin to me, as they all seem to eat regularly.
i do, as most fans, periodically have an attachment to some athletes for their funability and winability. that's it. so, if he stays, fine. and if he goes, also fine. there's enuf new york hype nonsense in this world already.
im good with giancarlo being the big bopper for the next decade. at least he's got a pantload of hrs and ribbys already. 350 and 900, by resume.
Aaron Judge Stats | Baseball-Reference.com
kinda underwhelming, especially from someone trying to shake down the system for best in class cash. if he is getting pigeonholed into the kyrie label, it does make me respect him more. still doesn't change my view of his stats, or potential.
just cuz i like u, doesn't mean im going to hire u, cuz u ain't starving, either. imma soft touch for those starving types.

 

[StllH8L8ner]

I think even if Judge leaves in free agency after the season he will still be met with an ovation when he returns to Yankee Stadium wearing another uniform.

I’m not so sure. If he wins a World Series this year and then leaves, people will be more forgiving. If he bails for a slightly better contract elsewhere without a WS ring here, I think the boos will be louder than when Bregman and Altuve returned to the Stadium for the first time.

My guess is Cashman will tell Judge, go out and see what you’re worth to other teams, then come back and see us. They did that with Jeter years ago when he was going into free agency and wanted a boatload of cash that his sabermetics didn’t support.

 

[Scoe]

I’m not so sure. If he wins a World Series this year and then leaves, people will be more forgiving. If he bails for a slightly better contract elsewhere without a WS ring here, I think the boos will be louder than when Bregman and Altuve returned to the Stadium for the first time.

My guess is Cashman will tell Judge, go out and see what you’re worth to other teams, then come back and see us. They did that with Jeter years ago when he was going into free agency and wanted a boatload of cash that his sabermetics didn’t support.

Im sure the Yankee brass leaked out the details of what was offered to get the fans to say “oh look how greedy Judge is”. We have no idea what was said in those negotiations. According to Ken Rosenthal Judge asking for 9 years was BS. The Yankees also said Correa asked for 300 mill that was later debunked by his agent.



About the 14 minute mark some really good talk about Judge.