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The Official Big East is Poverty Thread

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I can't understand Villanova.

Either they have money and the kids hate the place or they don't and they're getting poached. I feel like it's more of the latter.

Right now, I have faith in UConn, St. John's and PC to open their wallets. Maybe Creighton. The rest of them are posers.
 
Nova has got to have the money. It’s a very wealthy school with a very well supported program. No way Willard went there without knowing they had the resources he needs. My guess is they just had some bad luck.

Otherwise, I agree with you. Although, Marquette will probably have money to spend once Shaka asks for it. It’s his fault he didn’t understand how this was all going to work. They need to fast track their NIL.
 
Fishy said:
I can't understand Villanova.

Either they have money and the kids hate the place or they don't and they're getting poached. I feel like it's more of the latter.

Right now, I have faith in UConn, St. John's and PC to open their wallets. Maybe Creighton. The rest of them are posers.
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It is the latter. He can coach, but relationships still matter.
 
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Hoophound said:
Nova has got to have the money. It’s a very wealthy school with a very well supported program. No way Willard went there without knowing they had the resources he needs. My guess is they just had some bad luck.

Otherwise, I agree with you. Although, Marquette will probably have money to spend once Shaka asks for it. It’s his fault he didn’t understand how this was all going to work. They need to fast track their NIL.
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The NBE Anthem.
 
First Hines now Clark. Can somebody open their wallet for Holloway? Mercy.
 
It is really concerning that only Big East teams, and no one else, anywhere in college basketball or college football, is losing players to the Portal. It is really troubling that this is ONLY HAPPENING TO BIG EAST TEAMS.

Oh wait, it is happening to everyone.
 
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Xavier and Butler, probably the two poorest schools in the league, just landed nice Portal transfers, and Providence is killing it.

Now back to our regular programming.
 
Here's something to consider: if UConn was independent in men's basketball (not possible due to scheduling, but for argument's sake), we would have earned more than double our current Big East sports tv contract value with our men's tournament earnings.

Let that sink in for a second...
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Xavier and Butler, probably the two poorest schools in the league, just landed nice Portal transfers, and Providence is killing it.

Now back to our regular programming.
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Based on what’s happening in the portal the poorest schools (Revenue/NIL) appear to be DePaul and Seton Hall. But your point is well taken on Xavier and Butler where there is a good chance that both schools fold in the next 10 years.
 
JwittersPAC said:
Based on what’s happening in the portal the poorest schools (Revenue/NIL) appear to be DePaul and Seton Hall. But your point is well taken on Xavier and Butler where there is a good chance that both schools fold in the next 10 years.
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Yeah they have to replace all the guys that went into the portal. They are slaying!
 
JwittersPAC said:
Based on what’s happening in the portal the poorest schools (Revenue/NIL) appear to be DePaul and Seton Hall. But your point is well taken on Xavier and Butler where there is a good chance that both schools fold in the next 10 years.
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And to your other point, I don’t think Butler is going anywhere but things might be touch and go for Xavier.
 
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JwittersPAC said:
Based on what’s happening in the portal the poorest schools (Revenue/NIL) appear to be DePaul and Seton Hall. But your point is well taken on Xavier and Butler where there is a good chance that both schools fold in the next 10 years.
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What school are you a fan of again?
 
ZooCougar said:
And to your other point, I don’t think Butler is going anywhere but things might be touch and go for Xavier.
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Xavier is one of the oldest Catholic universities in the US and one of the oldest Jesuit schools. Unlikely to close but it is always possible it will downgrade its athletic program to something more like Fairfield level that requires much less of a commitment of resources. More bus trips fewer flights. Fairfield Inn stays, not Marriotts. I doubt Xavier closes. Seton Hall is a different story.
 
freescooter said:
Xavier is one of the oldest Catholic universities in the US and one of the oldest Jesuit schools. Unlikely to close but it is always possible it will downgrade its athletic program to something more like Fairfield level that requires much less of a commitment of resources. More bus trips fewer flights. Fairfield Inn stays, not Marriotts. I doubt Xavier closes. Seton Hall is a different story.
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I’m not sure the math will prove worthwhile for them to downgrade. They are very popular and sell a lot of tickets and merchandise. Add in the Big East revenue and the marketing the basketball program provides for recruiting students and I bet it doesn’t look better on paper.
 
freescooter said:
Xavier is one of the oldest Catholic universities in the US and one of the oldest Jesuit schools. Unlikely to close but it is always possible it will downgrade its athletic program to something more like Fairfield level that requires much less of a commitment of resources. More bus trips fewer flights. Fairfield Inn stays, not Marriotts. I doubt Xavier closes. Seton Hall is a different story.
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Xavier’s recent freshman class had 840 enrollees.

They have a difficult road ahead. Who knows, maybe Pope Leo’s popularity will a Catholic School Education great again.
 
freescooter said:
Xavier is one of the oldest Catholic universities in the US and one of the oldest Jesuit schools. Unlikely to close but it is always possible it will downgrade its athletic program to something more like Fairfield level that requires much less of a commitment of resources. More bus trips fewer flights. Fairfield Inn stays, not Marriotts. I doubt Xavier closes. Seton Hall is a different story.
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I think you are going to start seeing bigger university mergers, and Dayton and Xavier look like logical candidates. I know they are with different orders, but two mid-sized Catholic schools 45 miles apart need to do something.

There are probably a dozen small Catholic schools within 30 miles of Seton Hall that are all hanging by a thread. Merge them all up.
 
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Just interesting to see/ figures below are rough - might have some minor mistakes here:

Seton Hall: roughly 1625 freshman class size / 73-79% acceptance rate / $377MM endowment. Vibes - meh?
Xavier: roughly 800 freshman class size (which apparently below capacity/goal) / 78% acceptance rate / $270MM endowment. Negative vibes.
Fairfield University: 1450 freshman class size / 21% acceptance rate (was 25% last year) / $503MM endowment. Vibes are tilted positive/ uptrending.

I doubt the BE looks for another catholic school per se when Xavier calls it quits, but that moment comes, I would expect little old Fairfield to try to make a case for the seat.
 
Exit 4 said:
Just interesting to see/ figures below are rough - might have some minor mistakes here:

Seton Hall: roughly 1625 freshman class size / 73-79% acceptance rate / $377MM endowment. Vibes - meh?
Xavier: roughly 800 freshman class size (which apparently below capacity/goal) / 78% acceptance rate / $270MM endowment. Negative vibes.
Fairfield University: 1450 freshman class size / 21% acceptance rate (was 25% last year) / $503MM endowment. Vibes are tilted positive/ uptrending.

I doubt the BE looks for another catholic school per se when Xavier calls it quits, but that moment comes, I would expect little old Fairfield to try to make a case for the seat.
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I'm inclined to think the smarter move is contraction, providing less mouths to feed. That said, it wouldn't surprise me if we picked up a program that was the flavor of the month, coming off a good tournament run.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
I think you are going to start seeing bigger university mergers, and Dayton and Xavier look like logical candidates. I know they are with different orders, but two mid-sized Catholic schools 45 miles apart need to do something.

There are probably a dozen small Catholic schools within 30 miles of Seton Hall that are all hanging by a thread. Merge them all up.
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Sounds good in theory, but the better option for a school like Xavier is probably to try and stick it out and hope the others close. The really small Catholic schools are struggling even more as I understand it. I was reading the other day that St Michael's in Vermont might only have a few years left. That was a very healthy and desirable school 25 years ago.
 
Hoophound said:
Sounds good in theory, but the better option for a school like Xavier is probably to try and stick it out and hope the others close. The really small Catholic schools are struggling even more as I understand it. I was reading the other day that St Michael's in Vermont might only have a few years left. That was a very healthy and desirable school 25 years ago.
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That WSJ on St Michaels last week was very candid and mirrors the current situation for hundreds of colleges...enrollment declines have started and the snowball is difficult to stop. Meanwhile Northeastern, Vanderbilt and perhaps others will acquire a few of these that have good real estate for satellite campuses. But few will get that outcome, most will disappear.

St Peters in Jersey City has just a $36MM endowment. I expect them to go first in the MAAC. Maybe they merge with Seton.

As for the subject at hand, I think BB and Football will get split off into an official for profit league which will allow the system to unionize the players and then set salary caps...... The power 4 and a handful of others will make the cut. I think only UConn makes the grade....Nova will be close.
 
John said:
do you offer your cigarette to the Big East after a good leg hump?
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Your interpretation of any post that does not have an expectation that every Big East school is going to spontaneously combust in the next 30 minutes is that it is a "leg hump".
 
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