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The Official 2024 New England Patriots Thread

They'll have some sweet draft picks coming.
 
Currently seeing some similarities between the Patriots and Villanova. Both moved on from a legendary coach. Both backfilled "in house" with a feel-good coach associated with the old coach. Both reluctant to admit the mistake. Jerod Mayo may well be our Kyle Neptune. It's not about scheme or X's and O's. It's about accountability, professionalism, shutting down the personalities that can disrupt the team (Jets having this challenge too now, Aaron Rogers). I think Mayo is trying so hard not to be like Bill that's being really successful in not being like Bill on the field too. Players are just out of control right now.
 
Maye played well, but the Patriots are down a lot of pieces and are relying on spot players to be meaningful contributors. According to Spotrac, the Patriots are paying their active players the least amount ($142.8M) in the NFL and have $34M (8th in NFL) on the various inactive lists. To say nothing about their dead cap space ($46.5M), while still having nearly $35M in cap room. Bottom line is that they did a poor job at acquiring talent with the most or second most (depending on source) 2024 cap room.

Their coaching is lacking as well. Mayo might be over his head, which frankly is on Kraft. I don't know what kind of arrangement Mayo had prior to being hired, but Vrabel was there for the taking and Mayo could have gotten more seasoning as a D-coordinator who actually called the signals. Neither of his Coordinators had significant play calling responsibilities prior to this season.

I think all of that played itself out yesterday. They came out of the gate well, but couldn't adjust to Jacksonville's adjustments. The effort was reminiscent of the Pasqualoni/Diaco Huskies and that is not a good thing.

The Patriots are in Improvement mode, so they afford themselves some leeway, but there are only 38 players committed to the 2025 roster. So the Patriots need to use that cap space to add a lot of talent in the offseason in order to take a major step forward.
 
Husky25 said:
Maye played well, but the Patriots are down a lot of pieces and are relying on spot players to be meaningful contributors. According to Spotrac, the Patriots are paying their active players the least amount ($142.8M) in the NFL and have $34M (8th in NFL) on the various inactive lists. To say nothing about their dead cap space ($46.5M), while still having nearly $35M in cap room. Bottom line is that they did a poor job at acquiring talent with the most or second most (depending on source) 2024 cap room.

Their coaching is lacking as well. Mayo might be over his head, which frankly is on Kraft. I don't know what kind of arrangement Mayo had prior to being hired, but Vrabel was there for the taking and Mayo could have gotten more seasoning as a D-coordinator who actually called the signals. Neither of his Coordinators had significant play calling responsibilities prior to this season.

I think all of that played itself out yesterday. They came out of the gate well, but couldn't adjust to Jacksonville's adjustments. The effort was reminiscent of the Pasqualoni/Diaco Huskies and that is not a good thing.

The Patriots are in Improvement mode, so they afford themselves some leeway, but there are only 38 players committed to the 2025 roster. So the Patriots need to use that cap space to add a lot of talent in the offseason in order to take a major step forward.
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Yeah, I'm really disappointed in the lack of discipline. The penalties. The missed blocks. The bad tackling. That's on Mayo and the staff. I know they are missing critical players on the OL and especially Barmore and Bentley. But the backups should be better. Players shouldn't be out on social media stirring crap up, and neither should the coaches. The whole OL except Onwenu came off other teams' practice squads. That means our backups weren't good enough. Shockingly, Brown might be pretty good at C.

Maye looks like a star. Love what I've seen. His two game start is equaled by one QB ever, Dan Marino. That's crazy given what he's dealing with. So I feel like that position is solved and we just need to rebuild the team to take advantage of it. OL, TE that can block, more RB depth, another WR and hope Boutte and Polk get better. Huge need at LB and DL. Has to be a major focus in the off season.
 
This is likely utter nonsense. The only way anything like this happens, even in the off-season, is if Mayo has so little control that the players are embarrassing the team. So far we have Bourne with a stupid IG post about police, Barmore with a stupid post about police (for which he apologized in a professional way) and Peppers getting arrested. If there's more we don't know then maybe. Otherwise it's clickbait.

 
Mayo is a disaster. But the Kraft's are the root cause and they aren't going anywhere.
 
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WR drops were absurd. Hoping Maye is ok. I was glad to see a little fight from the team, both sides of the ball. Henry is having a good year, so reliable. Underrated player. Garrett Wilson is helped so much by Adams. Drawing the #2 CB and no doubles and that’s a recipe for success. Some of the calls in this game were absurd and almost all in the Jets favor.

Glad they won. Now keep winning. Tanking is pointless. There’s no player available that will cause a bidding war and you want to trade back anyway. Build a winning culture. Restore accountability and professionalism.
 
Problem is they don't play the Jets anymore.
 
Patriots should win next week. Indy and The Chargers are in play if just by being home and they have an outside shot at Arizona and vs. Rams. I don't think they win all of them, but, "any given Sunday," and all that jazz.

Considering compensatory selections, they are projected to have have 10 drafts picks next Spring, but 4 are projected to be in rounds 6 and 7. OTOH, They will also have 5 in the 1st four rounds and be among the leaders in cap room.

1/2 sample size so it very well could change, but the Pats could pick anywhere from 3-7 if the season ended today. I wouldn't be surprised if that held. If Maye continues to improve, the biggest piece is in place, and there are plenty for the taking for a year 2 turnaround.
 
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Husky25 said:
Patriots should win next week. Indy and The Chargers are in play if just by being home and they have an outside shot at Arizona and vs. Rams. I don't think they win all of them, but, "any given Sunday," and all that jazz.

Considering compensatory selections, they are projected to have have 10 drafts picks next Spring, but 4 are projected to be in rounds 6 and 7. OTOH, They will also have 5 in the 1st four rounds and be among the leaders in cap room.

1/2 sample size so it very well could change, but I the Pats could pick anywhere from 3-7 if the season ended today. I wouldn't be surprised if that held. If Maye continues to improve, the biggest piece is in place, and there are plenty for the taking for a year 2 turnaround.
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There are some encouraging signs. Maye is it. Gonzalez is a star. They really need Barmore and Bentley back and to add more at DL and LB via free agency and the draft. Ben Brown has been legit at C, which is stunning. Jordan has been decent to LG too. Still need OL help in a big way, but Strange will come back soon too.

WRs had a horrid day with drops again. I do think they have some talent, they did get open, but you have to catch the ball. Not sure if it's coaching, cold weather, gloves, but the team needs to get some consistency.

Uche healthy scratch so he'll be traded this week most likely. I think Osborn will be gone too. All those picks really allow you to trade up and get your guys. With the cap room they can also take on expensive guys via trades from teams like New Orleans that are in cap hell.
 
So, a little offshoot for Gonzalez, Sauce Gardner and the like.

This came about this week talking about blowing the Jets up and I said I wouldn't protect a single player on their roster. Sauce was brought up as one and I said I wouldn't protect him. I feel like the "shut down corner" is a much different animal than it was 10+ years ago.

Back in the day, having a shut down really turned the other team's game plan on its ear. When Revis would shut down Calvin Johnson, their next 3 WRs were Kevin Smith, Dennis Northcutt and Brandon Pettigrew with Kevin Smith at RB. When Deion was on SF shutting down Irvin, the Cowboys had Alvin Harper and Kevin Williams.

I think most teams now regularly spread the ball around to 4-5 WR's, 2-3 TE's and 2-3 RB's every week. So Sauce slows the #1 guy a little? Doesn't impact the offense's effectiveness hardly at all.

Is the shut down corner a little overrated these days?
 
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Deepster said:
So, a little offshoot for Gonzalez, Sauce Gardner and the like.

This came about this week talking about blowing the Jets up and I said I wouldn't protect a single player on their roster. Sauce was brought up as one and I said I wouldn't protect him. I feel like the "shut down corner" is a much different animal than it was 10+ years ago.

Back in the day, having a shut down really turned the other team's game plan on its ear. When Revis would shut down Calvin Johnson, their next 3 WRs were Kevin Smith, Dennis Northcutt and Brandon Pettigrew with Kevin Smith at RB. When Deion was on SF shutting down Irvin, the Cowboys had Alvin Harper and Kevin Williams.

I think most teams now regularly spread the ball around to 4-5 WR's, 2-3 TE's and 2-3 RB's every week. So Sauce slows the #1 guy a little? Doesn't impact the offense's effectiveness hardly at all.

Is the shut down corner a little overrated these days?
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Aha! You're describing what I've been saying but differently, "#1 WR" is overrated, because a shut down corner can more or less take them away. What you need is a deep receiving corps that allows you to spread the ball. It's what Brady had aside from a few years of Moss. It's what Peyton had. Apart from Thomas it's what Brees had. Clayton and Duper put up huge numbers for Marino, but neither of them were in the ballpark of a Justin Jefferson or Calvin Johnson type talent. Remember the smurfs?

So you do need that #1 corner bc the overall talent at WR is just way, way up across the league. He can also erase non-elite WRs in single coverage. But you also need good coverage guys at CB2 and CB3, S and LB. You also need a good TE and at least 3 good WRs. TE is very underrated right now.

Example: Garrett Wilson does nothing all year, because a guy like Gonzalez can take him away. Add Adams (who Gonzalez took away) and now Marcus Jones is on Wilson, who has a huge day (in some cases despite decent coverage).
 
The Patriots need pieces. Quarterback is not one of them.
 
Waquoit said:
They also need a real coach and a professional front office.
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They have a professional front office. Wolf knows what he's doing, learned from his dad and from Bill. If the fans like your front office it probably is doing stupid things and spending unwisely.

As for the coach, it remains to be seen. I am convinced that Covington isn't ready to be a DC. Mayo either needs to take a much bigger hand there or hire somebody else. AVP may or may not be the guy. It's really hard to judge with the hand he's been dealt.
 
HuskyHawk said:
They have a professional front office. Wolf knows what he's doing, learned from his dad and from Bill.
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Wolf is more like the son that takes over and runs the family business in to the ground. The talent drain is on his watch.
 
The Bears are an absolute disaster. OL even worse than the Pats. That said, the defense really stepped up. Much better tackling. More physical overall. Maye has to learn how to slide. He makes some ridiculous throws, I hope the receivers that aren’t tight ends learn how to catch the ball. At least we aren’t the Jets.

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Only posting because it's my favorite sports bet since the 2022 Dayton 500. I cashed out.


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One of the worst games I’ve seen the Patriots play. Sloppy. Mistake prone. Didn’t tackle of play pass defense in the first half. Bad play calling. No run blocking. No pass blocking. They toughened up a bit in the second half but this is a poorly coached team.
 
How lucky are we in the Hartford area that we get to watch Pats-Cards instead of the most compelling match-up of the regular season?
 
Beyond disappointed in this staff. They are just a badly coached team. They took a top ten defense and wrecked it, minus Gonzalez’ individual brilliance. They can’t block anybody. The D can’t shed a block. Mayo is in over his head.
 
Mayo is gone. Wolf stays, for now. That makes sense to me given that the coaching search will take some time and they need to prepare for the draft and FA. Not all of these guys can interview right away, but Johnson and Glenn can b/c Detroit is on a bye. Get them in ASAP.

HC Candidates:
Mike Vrabel
Ben Johnson
Brian Flores
Liam Coen
Joe Brady

Will need another interview with Vance Joseph or Aaron Glenn, so they have a shot.
 
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Well this is the right move. Jets putting one in for Glenn.

 
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