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Very strange, given how bad the roster is, the Patriots are just sitting in $53 million in cap space.
 
HeGotGame said:
Very strange, given how bad the roster is, the Patriots are just sitting in $53 million in cap space.
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They are trying to extend Barmore and probably Judon. Post draft, there will be more trades and FA signings. I still think they may bring Gillmore back. FA essentially goes on hold as the draft gets closer.
 
HuskyHawk said:
Patriots have now met with each of the top 4 projected QBs. I think that's the correct move. Need to be fully informed for what may be a wild draft.

I have gone back and forth on these four guys. My general sense, in order of preference is:
1. Drake Maye. Most upside. Probably also the lowest floor if he doesn't fix some of this issues and learn how to play in an NFL style system throwing on timing. Have to hope he makes a leap, but if he does, you're set.
2. JJ McCarthy. Pats fans seem down on him, but most are ignorant of college football. All the physical tools, very athletic, can play in an NFL timing system and has good mechanics. Great throwing on the move (like Steve Young was).
3. Jayden Daniels. Fast, great and dangerous runner, really good outside thrower on deep fades and curls. Improved a lot, ceiling is lower due to mediocre arm and questionable frame. Have to build a unique offense around him and load it with outside receiving threats. Very poor fit in New England.
4. Michael Penix. Best deep ball throwing in the class. Better mobility than expected post injury. Very good arm, throws out of the pocket. Can be rattled by pressure and loses composure. Best on a solid team with good weapons around him. Older, injury risk. High floor.
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I assume your list has Caleb already off the board?
 
Deepster said:
I assume your list has Caleb already off the board?
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Of course. I know he's not falling to #3. These are the guys the Pats could land. I didn't include Nix or Rattler, but they'd be 5-6 in some order.
 
HeGotGame said:
Very strange, given how bad the roster is, the Patriots are just sitting in $53 million in cap space.
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Maybe they'll surprise but I have less faith in this crew than I do Craig Breslow. Instead of taking a top QB, I think they are going to trade down and end up with a stiff.
 
Now this is a great start. Thankful the Commanders gifted him to us.

 
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The Pats did the right thing, now they have a plan.
 
Waquoit said:
The Pats did the right thing, now they have a plan.
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Very curious to see how this plays out. For the record, i think it’s the right pick for them.

That said. As a Jets fan who’s lived in this new coach, new OC, new young QB cycle with lather rinse repeat over and over? I can’t wait to see how this goes.
 
Deepster said:
Very curious to see how this plays out. For the record, i think it’s the right pick for them.

That said. As a Jets fan who’s lived in this new coach, new OC, new young QB cycle with lather rinse repeat over and over? I can’t wait to see how this goes.
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There's no guarantees in this. My hope lies mostly in Alex Van Pelt and McCartney. Van Pelt was Aaron Rodger's QB coach. He played QB in the NFL for a decade. I think so. Zach Wilson's problems are largely mental. Maye has footwork issues stemming from that crap Air Raid system at UNC. So can they fix that?

 
HuskyHawk said:
There's no guarantees in this. My hope lies mostly in Alex Van Pelt and McCartney. Van Pelt was Aaron Rodger's QB coach. He played QB in the NFL for a decade. I think so. Zach Wilson's problems are largely mental. Maye has footwork issues stemming from that crap Air Raid system at UNC. So can they fix that?

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Again. I know sucking is a new feeling. What you said about Van Pelt? They said the same about Adam Gase with Peyton Manning.
 
Deepster said:
Very curious to see how this plays out. For the record, i think it’s the right pick for them.

That said. As a Jets fan who’s lived in this new coach, new OC, new young QB cycle with lather rinse repeat over and over? I can’t wait to see how this goes.
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I agree, the making the right pick is just the start. But I was afraid they were going to try and get cute.
 
Deepster said:
Again. I know sucking is a new feeling. What you said about Van Pelt? They said the same about Adam Gase with Peyton Manning.
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Gase had less of a track record and never played the position. Maye may not be it, but I feel pretty good about the situation. Even more so because he's probably not a day 1 starter. He can learn from Brissett.
 
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HuskyHawk said:
Now this is a great start. Thankful the Commanders gifted him to us.

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I don't think they gifted Maye to NE. Being a fan of both teams, I am happy they both their guy and that I can root for both. Certainly wouldn't have minded if they went vice versa either.

Seem like WSH think Daniels has the higher floor and can come in and start right away. After 20+ years of unmatched success, Pats fans seem more willing to let Maye mature after the Mac Jones era...provided it works out.

Washington is fiending to rip the bandage clear off following the darkness of the Daniel Snyder era.

Hopefully both are a good fit.
 
Being a fan of both teams, I am happy they both got their guy and I can root for both of them. I wouldn't have minded if it went vice versa either, but word is that Daniels can start on day 1 and Maye should probably hold a clipboard and wear an ear piece for a few months, if not the season. While the Patriots gave us two dynasties, WSH was mired in a 24 year Snyder bog of suck, known virtually only to Jets fans.

Also, I don't think the instant comparisons to Brady are fair. TB12 casts a long shadow as a living NFL legend, but a minimum of two other fulltime starters will have gone through Foxborough by the time Maye takes a regular season snap. Maye is not following Brady. He's following Mac and hopefully Brissett.

I'm listening to some Washington podcasts. They are very happy with Daniels, but have quickly turned the page. Washington has five 2nd day picks tonight that can absolutely form their foundation for the foreseeable future.
 
Deepster said:
Very curious to see how this plays out. For the record, i think it’s the right pick for them.

That said. As a Jets fan who’s lived in this new coach, new OC, new young QB cycle with lather rinse repeat over and over? I can’t wait to see how this goes.
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i am not so sure it was the right pick. Of course..being a Jets fan, I have qb PTSD…lol.

i would have taken Harrison…he is a sure thing.

It will be interesting to see how this qb class develops. i personally liked Penix better than Maye…but time will tell. I still can’t believe the falcons picked Penix after giving COusins a 4 year deal. So…it will be awhile to see if Penix develops into a good qb.
 
HuskyHawk said:
Gase had less of a track record and never played the position. Maye may not be it, but I feel pretty good about the situation. Even more so because he's probably not a day 1 starter. He can learn from Brissett.
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Clearly you know best. We’ll see!
 
What else did the Pats get for trading back 3 slots?
 
Husky25 said:
What else did the Pats get for trading back 3 slots?
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Moved up from 5 to 4th. Trade value chart had them slightly ahead.
 
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Thoughts on the draft? Overall they did well. Maye was a great pick. Polk strikes me as a safe pick. These high trait guys often bust, Polk is a football player. The Wallace pick is a head scratcher, hope they know something. The guard tells me they aren’t confident in the guys picked last year in the new outside zone scheme. Strange should fit well in that scheme. Javon Baker could be a really good WR, wanted them to target him even earlier. Joe Milton is just a fun swing for the fences.
 
Belichick sounded "luke warm" on Maye.....

"Well, I think that's certainly a top need for them. It's quarterback, tackle and wide receiver, so this is one of the top needs. Drake compares himself a lot to Josh Allen, he's been doing that for quite a while. We'll see about that. I think there are some similarities, size and athleticism, but Josh Allen's a pretty special player now
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"A very talented kid. Good size, runs well, has a good arm. He just hasn't played very much. He really doesn't have a lot of experience. He makes some big plays ... He's going to need some work in reading defenses, reading coverages."
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"Drake Maye, his footwork needs a lot of work. Here, he's all over the place. Never resets his feet. Never really gets in position to throw. Gets strip-sacked. Too much hopping around. Step up and throw.
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Deepster said:
Belichick sounded "luke warm" on Maye.....
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He sounded luke warm on every QB in the draft. He doesn't think rookie QBs are ready. Pointed out huge issues with Caleb Williams too. We know about Maye's issues. The footwork is terrible, as it is with most "air raid" QBs. JT O'Sullivan has a good video going over every QB and points out that air raid coaches don't teach 3 step 5 step drops and throws on time. So he's not been coached to do it (McCarthy is the only guy among the top guys who's good at that right now).

Allen had even worse issues coming in. So did Herbert. Mahomes also had issues in college. College offense is just nothing like NFL offense and it's a tough transition. Some guys make it, some don't.
 
This is fantastic news.

 
Is @HuskyHawk ok? We are into August, a preseason game down, and nothing from him on how great the Pats are gonna be this year?
 
HeGotGame said:
Is @HuskyHawk ok? We are into August, a preseason game down, and nothing from him on how great the Pats are gonna be this year?
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They look very good on D. Barmore blood clots are a concern. The new rookie receivers look pretty good and Pop looks great. LT is a real concern. Guard play has been good, Sow settling in at LG. I'll stick with my prediction of around 6-8 wins.

The preseason game vs Philly should tell us more. Hard to get much from the Panthers game. Neither team played starters much.
 
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HuskyHawk said:
They look very good on D. Barmore blood clots are a concern. The new rookie receivers look pretty good and Pop looks great. LT is a real concern. Guard play has been good, Sow settling in at LG. I'll stick with my prediction of around 6-8 wins.

The preseason game vs Philly should tell us more. Hard to get much from the Panthers game. Neither team played starters much.
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You should go to FanDuel and take them over 7.5 wins at +630.

I took them under 4.5 wins and to have the worst record in the NFL at +400
 
No comments from @HuskyHawk on Milton outplaying Maye so far? About Milton being the new TB????

I love this. I am 57, I grew up in CT and didn't have a single friend who was a Pats fan in grade school. Enter the Brady era and now Pats Nation feels like it's a walk in the park finding a generational QB. New coach, tough division, unknowns at QB, below average talent at offensive skill positions.

Best of luck to you this season.
 
Deepster said:
No comments from @HuskyHawk on Milton outplaying Maye so far? About Milton being the new TB????

I love this. I am 57, I grew up in CT and didn't have a single friend who was a Pats fan in grade school. Enter the Brady era and now Pats Nation feels like it's a walk in the park finding a generational QB. New coach, tough division, unknowns at QB, below average talent at offensive skill positions.

Best of luck to you this season.
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He’s hasn’t. One moronic, truly stupid local media guy said that. It’s very far from reality.

Any comments on trading fir guys who won’t play for your team?
 
HeGotGame said:
You should go to FanDuel and take them over 7.5 wins at +630.

I took them under 4.5 wins and to have the worst record in the NFL at +400
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Good luck. I didn’t bother with the over 4.5 because it’s the lowest odds W/L bet in the whole NFL.
 
HuskyHawk said:
He’s hasn’t. One moronic, truly stupid local media guy said that. It’s very far from reality.

Any comments on trading fir guys who won’t play for your team?
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It was a conditional 3rd rounder that would end up being a 6th if he doesn't play.

He's over a barrel. Sitting out a year at his position at age 29 is not a good idea and the Jets don't need him to make or break their season.
 
Deepster said:
It was a conditional 3rd rounder that would end up being a 6th if he doesn't play.

He's over a barrel. Sitting out a year at his position at age 29 is not a good idea and the Jets don't need him to make or break their season.
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It's not fatal, but without him the depth is going to be tested. I happen to think the Jets have the best roster in the AFC East, but that window is small, because I just don't think Rogers is going to be like Brady past age 42 or so and there's no young QB on the roster aside from Travis. So missing a top tier DE is not a good thing.

I expect a pretty exciting season in the AFC East. I see it like this.
Jets: Significantly improved
Pats: Improved
Bills: Slightly worse
Miami: Worse
 
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