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I just want to win; don't care how we do it.
 
I'm fascinated that most of the baseball people are picking KC to win the series, and that the basis for most of the predictions is that the Royals hit "fastballers" like the Mets' starting rotation better than any other team. I think that overlooks the secondary and tertiary pitches that at least Harvey, deGrom and Familia have developed. They are not just fastballers.

I'm worried about our defense and I think that's probably where KC has the greatest advantage.

The one thing I'm surprised I don't hear much talk about is our offense, which I think a lot people aren't giving enough credit. Combing that with KC's totally average starting pitching, I think the Mets could have more on an edge there than many people realize.

The other thing that has been interesting to watch is how little the playoffs care about the story lines. None of the playoff series so far have really gone according to script, so I'm kind of glad to see the script being written with KC having the edge.

Time to rip up another one. Can't wait.
 
Tough, tough loss. Two ways to look at it: 1) Blew a game that they had won, or 2) It took an inside the park fluke, a blown save, and 14 innings for them to win in their house.

Take tonight's game and come back to NY 1-1 which is all I asked for going into the series.
 
If momentum is as good as your next day's starting pitcher, I like our chances tonight. Thought there was some serious home cooking on the strike zone last night though. But in the end it was our defense--our biggest weakness as compared to KC--that really cost us (not that Harvey's first pitch was a good one; it wasn't).

Still wish it was Syndergaard tonight with Harvey or Jake for game 3. That's going to be the key game irrespective of what happens tonight.

Cespedes better start earning his next contract.
 
I don't think many really expected to come home up 2-0. So, tonight's the night. deGrom against Cueto should be in our favor on paper. Let's hope that Familia's head is screwed on straight and he can come back tonight to shut down the 9th easily.
 
I'm actually thinking that Familia "got it out of the way". He's so dominant I don't think he'll blow another one ::knocks on wood::

Also, both teams are going to be exhausted and with a well rested DeGrom you'd think that would work big time in our favor.
 
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Against a team this good, you really can't afford to give away a game like we did tonight. I just kept thinking of game 1 of the 2000 World Series...we blew that one, and never recovered. I'm sure it's just the pessimist in me, but I can't shake the feeling that we're going to remember this one for a long, long time.

Just go out there and be the stopper, Jacob!
 
Rico444 said:
Against a team this good, you really can't afford to give away a game like we did tonight. I just kept thinking of game 1 of the 2000 World Series...we blew that one, and never recovered. I'm sure it's just the pessimist in me, but I can't shake the feeling that we're going to remember this one for a long, long time.
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I get the point and we did blow it, but it doesn't feel like game 1 in 2000 to me. It feels more like the end of Rocky, not that one of us was an underdog, but that we were two great competitors battling to the point of exhaustion, and each knowing that the other is not going away easily.

I wonder about having Conforto Dan Hurley tonight. I am guessing that Lagares starts after last night, and I think Conforto is probably a better bat than Johnson, Uribe or the other options at this point.

We really need Jake to go deep into the game tonight. Like through the 7th at least.
 
8893 said:
I get the point and we did blow it, but it doesn't feel like game 1 in 2000 to me. It feels more like the end of Rocky, not that one of us was an underdog, but that we were two great competitors battling to the point of exhaustion, and each knowing that the other is not going away easily.

I wonder about having Conforto Dan Hurley tonight. I am guessing that Lagares starts after last night, and I think Conforto is probably a better bat than Johnson, Uribe or the other options at this point.

We really need Jake to go deep into the game tonight. Like through the 7th at least.
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Cueto has better number against lefties than righties, so I'd be willing to bet Lagares is in there, and wouldn't be shocked if Uribe is the Dan Hurley over Conforto, who hasn't looked great this postseason.

And I hope you're right about it being like Rocky. No matter how we respond, spotting a great team like the Royals a game like that more often than not comes back to bite you in the end. Just hope we can persevere and take the game tonight.

BTW, I thought you said that we need Jake to go deep tonight, as in hit a home run. I would certainly take that! ;)
 
Rico444 said:
BTW, I thought you said that we need Jake to go deep tonight, as in hit a home run. I would certainly take that! ;)
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Well he's a good hitter...for a pitcher. But he won't be hitting tonight.

Tough call on the Dan Hurley imo. Terry is partial to his vets. But I like Conforto, too.
 
I was wondering which team I'd be rooting for. I have a complicated history with the Mets. They were my NL team as a kid and I was young enough in 1986 not to be particularly destroyed by what happened (eventually it took its toll). There's even a picture of me on the internet of me wearing a Mets jersey.

In college, most of my friends were from Queens and diehard Mets fans. Truth be told, I always enjoyed some schadenfreude watching the Mets struggle year after year.

And, besides, I LIKE the Royals. Who doesn't? I know a bunch of people from Kansas and they're all such nice people. As opposed to my friends...

Anyway, the game started last night and lo and behold: I found myself rooting, unequivocally, for the Mets. I'm sure you Mets fans couldn't care less about the support of one balloon knot Sox fan, but you've got it -- LGM!

Tough loss last night. The Royals are scrappy as h3ll. I think this thing goes 7.
 
I have no confidence in Cuddyer at the plate right now. I'd throw Uribe ice cold off the shelf in rather than let him hit again.
 
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Deepster said:
I have no confidence in Cuddyer at the plate right now. I'd throw Uribe ice cold off the shelf in rather than let him hit again.
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Cuddyer looks like garbage. He suddenly looks very old.
 
Deepster said:
I have no confidence in Cuddyer at the plate right now. I'd throw Uribe ice cold off the shelf in rather than let him hit again.
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No question. He looks like he aged ten years this season. My Mets friends and I agree that he needs to be put out to pasture. Great guy, but time is up, Pops.
 
8893 said:
I wonder about having Conforto Dan Hurley tonight. I am guessing that Lagares starts after last night, and I think Conforto is probably a better bat than Johnson, Uribe or the other options at this point.
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Conforto is the Dan Hurley tonight. Lagares in center and Cespedes in left. Lineup otherwise the same as last night.

Can't wait to see how we come out of the gates tonight.
 
Can't wait for this game to be over so the series can of KC. So sick of seeing these clown fans behind home throwing up their hands and yelling at the umpire at every third pitch.
 
And now I can't wait for basketball season.

We look like the Cubs. Totally shell-shocked and crapping our pants.

KC looks like pros. They are on a mission. @Deepster 's point about them being fortified by their heartbreak last year is a good one.

And unfortunately now I agree with @Rico444 that the loss of the first game set the tone like 2000.

Syndergaard and Matz don't have secondary stuff as good as deGrom or Harvey. The KC bats are likely to chew them up even worse. Now I'm really wishing we had Harvey or deGrom saved for game three. I don't think we'll be seeing a game seven, but we may grab a game or two.

We knew our defense was a weakness, but when our offense doesn't show up it doesn't really matter. We made Cueto look like Cy Young, and he's far from it. That was essentially a no-no; Duda's hits were duffers.

Cespedes is the one guy who could have made a difference if he showed up. He's costing himself several million this post-season, essentially confirming the doubts about him and his puzzling inconsistency. No chance the Mets will even make a run at him.

And maybe we can at least experiment with Uribe at third and give Wright a break? He's clearly not close to 100% after the wear of post-season play.

It was a good season to get this far, but a disappointing series for sure.
 
KC may be the best contact hitting team in the history of the world. They don't even strike out on pitchers pitches. Very impressive.
 
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So. Can Syndergaard and Matz claw us back to 2-2 against Ventura and Chris Young? I guess so, but the margin for error is paper thin. I sound like Kevin Millar when the Sox were down 0-3, but if we can grab 2, then Harvey at home and deGrom in Game 6? I'm not ready to shovel dirt on the grave yet. #LGM #yagottabelieve
 
It's far from over, but we need to win these next two. Take Fri and Sat and then we have Harvey on regular rest (when he's at his best) at home. Very real chance we go back to KC up 3-2.

That being said, if we lose either Fri or Sat it's over. Can't come back on these guys down 3-1, ESP not down 3-0.
 
How about our big crybaby SS they keep marveling at on TV, like, get off the 0 rbi for playoffs snide?
 
Deepster said:
So. Can Syndergaard and Matz claw us back to 2-2 against Ventura and Chris Young? I guess so, but the margin for error is paper thin. I sound like Kevin Millar when the Sox were down 0-3, but if we can grab 2, then Harvey at home and deGrom in Game 6? I'm not ready to shovel dirt on the grave yet. #LGM #yagottabelieve
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I'd feel more optimistic if I thought it was about our pitching, but I don't, so I'm not. I actually think our pitching has been good enough to put us in position to win. It has been neutralized as expected by the Royals' offense, so I think they really cancel each other out. Their defense has been better than ours as expected, but they've still made some errors and we've made some nice plays. It's a factor, but not as big as I expected or feared it to be. The bottom line is that we are not going to hold this team scoreless so we've got to put up some runs to beat them.

For me, it comes down to our offense massively under-performing, or KC's pitching massively over-performing, depending on your POV. There are reasonable explanations for everyone on our side except Cespedes imo. That's why I say he's the one guy who could've changed this script, but he doesn't look close to coming around to me. I know Wright is not right; and we know Duda is streaky; and I didn't expect Murphy to continue to be superhuman; and it is reasonable to expect Conforto's inexperience to come into play; Granderson has been fine, and the others are what they are. But Cespedes is the single biggest disappointment to me. As we saw in August, when he is perceived as a threat he changes the dynamic of the entire lineup. And the corollary, then, is that when he is off, it means that there is a dropoff for the entire lineup. That's what I'm seeing.

I had not watched Cespedes much before he came to us, but good friends who have had warned me of his maddening inconsistency. Now I see what they were talking about. Unfortunately for him and for the Mets it is coming at a very bad time, and I don't have the feeling that he's going to snap out of it this season.

It's impossible and unfair to isolate one factor in a series because so many things contribute, including luck. But if I had to point to the one that I thought was most responsible for our bleak outlook, that would be it.
 
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Well, 8893, we are at home this wknd. Means our pitchers hit. We lose the Dan Hurley. Noah and Matz cannot fare worse than Cuddyer or Johnson, or even Conforto for that matter.
 
Ok, it's a new day. I'm ready to believe. One game at a time. We can do this.

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Just get the W tonight. I'm having a houseful tonight. Let's get this Mojo train back on track.
 
Cespedes back in center tonight, Conforto back in left.

I would have stuck with Lagares in center and Cespedes in left.

And I would have started Uribe at third.
 
1986 Game 1: Mets lose by 1.
Game 2: Mets lose by 6.
Game 3: Mets win by 6.

2015 G1: Mets lose by 1
G2: Mets lose by 6
G3: Mets lead 9-3

If this score holds up..
 
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And I would have started Uribe at third.
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And that is why I watch from a recliner and not a dugout. But it was great to see Uribe deliver, too.

Good for Wright though. I never saw that coming and don't think many others did.

Now maybe Cespedes can get his swing back. He looked a little better last night.

Really impressed by Syndergaard's recovery from a shaky start. That experience is invaluable for his future...hopefully later this series... I also loved the opening chin music to Escobar. The only thing better would have been to plunk Moustakas on top of that.

One game at a time. Lefty rook up next. I like that KC will finally see a bit of a different look from our starters.
 
Call me sappy, but I thought this was a pretty cool moment last night--especially for Joel himself:

 
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