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[MilliniumPrince]

Some day people will understand how great a job Edsall did at UConn.

If it hasn't been understood by now it never will be.

 

[J187Money]

If it hasn't been understood by now it never will be.

The people that don't get it are the same people that think that you can win a World Series merely by spending 200+ million a year.

 

[Kgun7]

This is spot on and the reality we now face. Lack of P5 means that recruits will likely look elsewhere if presented with the chance from a P5 school. It helps that we will be offering the same benefits that P5 schools offer but Diaco is doing the right thing in going for players that fit his system and are reasonable catches. Let's just hope he's able to coach them up and maximize their talent.

Only the single most important part of the equation ...

 

[Pudge]

I love how people in the Boneyard "manufacture" my point.

Thus ... Here:

This 3 Star crap is just bogus. Not empirical. Makes no sense as a metric. Keep on BSing this as a point. We exist in a Greater NY & NE region that almost no kid gets evaluated by anyone with sense from the giver of Stars. It's not statistically significant. We can get 10 good players annually from NY, NE & Canada that play at a high level or get to the NFL.

Sure it's about winning FBS games. But we were solid ... Til the PP hiring. Just the answer. We were an outstanding start up with 2 Star kids from a great evaluator. RE down years? Heck just think about the climb. That's why PP is so disheartening.

Edsall was a great Program builder. I've never been equivocal.

We are not going to win lots of 3 Star Many P5 Offer kids. We just aren't. Not in the relative peer relationship. But we can still be highly successful ... How? The Edsall showed how. I'm dismissive of the revisionist history. Before Fiesta - a great (GREAT) climb. This isn't hopeless. We can produce lots of solid players & wins.

 

[BlueMAB]

Sentence fragments. They do not help. People understand your point ... How? Just saying.

 

[Palatine]

According to ESPN 10 of the 23 kids were 3-stars.

 

[whaler11]

So even though the record completely aligns with the recruiting rankings - they aren't valid because... someone said so.

Syracuse, Penn State, Duke and BC took 10 players from Connecticut... but UConn will be ok beating Monmouth for players because Randy Edsall.

 

[UConnDan97]

I love how people in the Boneyard "manufacture" my point.

Thus ... Here:

This 3 Star crap is just bogus. Not empirical. Makes no sense as a metric. Keep on BSing this as a point. We exist in a Greater NY & NE region that almost no kid gets evaluated by anyone with sense from the giver of Stars. It's not statistically significant. We can get 10 good players annually from NY, NE & Canada that play at a high level or get to the NFL.

Sure it's about winning FBS games. But we were solid ... Til the PP hiring. Just the answer. We were an outstanding start up with 2 Star kids from a great evaluator. RE down years? Heck just think about the climb. That's why PP is so disheartening.

Edsall was a great Program builder. I've never been equivocal.

We are not going to win lots of 3 Star Many P5 Offer kids. We just aren't. Not in the relative peer relationship. But we can still be highly successful ... How? The Edsall showed how. I'm dismissive of the revisionist history. Before Fiesta - a great (GREAT) climb. This isn't hopeless. We can produce lots of solid players & wins.

Where do I begin?

First, the 3-star crap isn't bogus, and it makes sense as a metric in aggregate. No single 3-star rating can be proven or disproven, nor is any single 2-star rating more valid than someone else's 3-star rating. But in aggregate, if you are grabbing a bunch of players with higher average star values overall, you win more games. That fact is not in question. The data supports it over a large period of time. If you don't like it, tough. Reality does not require your belief in it to exist.

Second, "we are not going to win lots of 3 star many P5 offer kids. we just aren't": what??? If you are talking about this specific year's recruiting class, then obviously you are right. But if you are talking about UConn in the future, then how can you believe that? That means that you believe that we'll never even be a top 40 school, much less a top 25 school. The schools that "win lots of 3-star many P5 offer kids" include teams like Cincy, Boise State, and our friends up north. Do you seriously believe that our ceiling stops shy of them? Did you not witness that ceiling get shattered in our basketball recruiting, to the point where we almost exclusively land 4's and 5's now??? Wow, how we forget what we used to be in basketball.

Third, Edsall was indeed a program builder. And he build a good program. And I'm grateful for that. But there was always a difference between us and WVU. And the difference was primarily the ceiling of the recruiting classes. We've developed a lot of NFL talent, but we didn't have enough to consistently beat the likes of WVU.

I've said it before and I've said it again; Diaco can be successful with the kids he's bringing in and with the kids that he already has. There is enough talent in that locker room to win a lot of games in the AAC. And quite frankly, we have grossly underachieved for about 4 years now. I look forward to us achieving what I think we can and should. But none of that has anything to do with the validity of the star ratings in aggregate...

 

[SubbaBub]

Where do I begin?

First, the 3-star crap isn't bogus, and it makes sense as a metric in aggregate. No single 3-star rating can be proven or disproven, nor is any single 2-star rating more valid than someone else's 3-star rating. But in aggregate, if you are grabbing a bunch of players with higher average star values overall, you win more games. That fact is not in question. The data supports it over a large period of time. If you don't like it, tough. Reality does not require your belief in it to exist.

Second, "we are not going to win lots of 3 star many P5 offer kids. we just aren't": what??? If you are talking about this specific year's recruiting class, then obviously you are right. But if you are talking about UConn in the future, then how can you believe that? That means that you believe that we'll never even be a top 40 school, much less a top 25 school. The schools that "win lots of 3-star many P5 offer kids" include teams like Cincy, Boise State, and our friends up north. Do you seriously believe that our ceiling stops shy of them? Did you not witness that ceiling get shattered in our basketball recruiting, to the point where we almost exclusively land 4's and 5's now??? Wow, how we forget what we used to be in basketball.

Third, Edsall was indeed a program builder. And he build a good program. And I'm grateful for that. But there was always a difference between us and WVU. And the difference was primarily the ceiling of the recruiting classes. We've developed a lot of NFL talent, but we didn't have enough to consistently beat the likes of WVU.

I've said it before and I've said it again; Diaco can be successful with the kids he's bringing in and with the kids that he already has. There is enough talent in that locker room to win a lot of games in the AAC. And quite frankly, we have grossly underachieved for about 4 years now. I look forward to us achieving what I think we can and should. But none of that has anything to do with the validity of the star ratings in aggregate...

Depth of the recruiting class, not the ceiling. RE could find and develop high quality guys, he just couldn't go 22 for 22, no one could. He also had the BCS to sell and some conference games against teams people had actually heard of before committing. BD doesn't have that advantage. And no, BD isn't winning 3 start recruits with multiple P5 offers coming off of a 2 win season unless that guy want to come to UConn above all else or play for BD above all else or both. Michigan made one phone call and got one of the "RKG's" will some heat on him. Maybe he can fend off the Wake Forests of the world, but is he beating out RU right now? Only if the kid has a brain.

 

[UconnFamily]

I love how people in the Boneyard "manufacture" my point.

Thus ... Here:

This 3 Star crap is just bogus. Not empirical. Makes no sense as a metric. Keep on BSing this as a point. We exist in a Greater NY & NE region that almost no kid gets evaluated by anyone with sense from the giver of Stars. It's not statistically significant. We can get 10 good players annually from NY, NE & Canada that play at a high level or get to the NFL.

Sure it's about winning FBS games. But we were solid ... Til the PP hiring. Just the answer. We were an outstanding start up with 2 Star kids from a great evaluator. RE down years? Heck just think about the climb. That's why PP is so disheartening.

Edsall was a great Program builder. I've never been equivocal.

We are not going to win lots of 3 Star Many P5 Offer kids. We just aren't. Not in the relative peer relationship. But we can still be highly successful ... How? The Edsall showed how. I'm dismissive of the revisionist history. Before Fiesta - a great (GREAT) climb. This isn't hopeless. We can produce lots of solid players & wins.

It isn't hopeless but its rare, there's not a lot of Edsall's out there. And again, Edsall still struggled against teams with better talent.

 

[whaler11]

Depth of the recruiting class, not the ceiling. RE could find and develop high quality guys, he just couldn't go 22 for 22, no one could. He also had the BCS to sell and some conference games against teams people had actually heard of before committing. BD doesn't have that advantage. And no, BD isn't winning 3 start recruits with multiple P5 offers coming off of a 2 win season unless that guy want to come to UConn above all else or play for BD above all else or both. Michigan made one phone call and got one of the "RKG's" will some heat on him. Maybe he can fend off the Wake Forests of the world, but is he beating out RU right now? Only if the kid has a brain.

Ding ding ding. It's about depth which is why you can't judge on NFL players.

Nobody has asked Diaco to beat multiple P5 schools for players. Nobody has really even asked to beat one....

That is a bit different than beating the NEC and the Ivy.

 

[ConnHuskBask]

You know, I could sit him and name name, but I won't, but certain posters, who I promise to not name, keep digging their heels in and making a fool out of their unnamed self.

 

[uconnbill]

Ding ding ding. It's about depth which is why you can't judge on NFL players.

Nobody has asked Diaco to beat multiple P5 schools for players. Nobody has really even asked to beat one....

That is a bit different than beating the NEC and the Ivy.

How about giving HCBD this upcoming year, because your act along with a number of others is making the football board unreadable. All you do is bitch and complain and this and that. For once keep your opinion to yourself when you don't agree with the topic or what others are talking about. You don't have to be involved with every discussion on this board.

 

[whaler11]

How about giving HCBD this upcoming year, because your act along with a number of others is making the football board unreadable. All you do is bitch and complain and this and that. For once keep your opinion to yourself when you don't agree with the topic or what others are talking about. You don't have to be involved with every discussion on this board.

Bill when someone starts a thread to troll me I'm going to respond. Maybe that trolling is what makes the board unreadable?

I haven't bitched or complained at all in this thread so maybe don't equate every post that doesn't align with your opinion as bitching?

The irony is thick - there is more bitching in your post that the rest of the thread combined.

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

How about giving HCBD this upcoming year, because your act along with a number of others is making the football board unreadable. All you do is bitch and complain and this and that. For once keep your opinion to yourself when you don't agree with the topic or what others are talking about. You don't have to be involved with every discussion on this board.

Your beef really should be with Pudge here. He started this thread to pick a fight with whaler. So you shouldn't be surprised when whaler responds.

Also, I'm getting tired of the notion that when people like myself, whaler, CHB, and others post our opinions which are based on actual evidence we are accused of ruining the board. Meanwhile, you have a mod, who shall remain nameless, "drawing lines in the sand" and dividing the board based on opinion. The opinion about stars and more importantly offer lists is a valid concern and that shouldn't be mocked as being "negative". It's getting tiring listening to some of these posts from some of these clowns.

Here is what I suggest to people who think whaler and I are ruining the board. Don't troll us. If you want to have an honest discussion of things fine. But if you're going on blind faith alone than simply avoid the argument. This isn't hard. People on this board need thicker skin and a tougher stomach.

 

[junglehusky]

You could apply your last sentence to yourself, Jimmy. Just sayin'.

 

[Pudge]

So even though the record completely aligns with the recruiting rankings - they aren't valid because... someone said so.

Syracuse, Penn State, Duke and BC took 10 players from Connecticut... but UConn will be ok beating Monmouth for players because Randy Edsall.

did you get your feelings hurt?

The funny thing about this is that we all will know if we have a stable 5 years going forward. Diaco recruits and the kids go 5 years (most of them) & we can weigh how good his evaluation talent was. At this point, you are just a WHINER. Paul Pasqualoni has a record. An incredible number of his recruits left within 18 months. Very few of them will start. That is your argument. You have no statistical evidence nor qualitative substance to say Diaco recruited less than the Syracuse and others. I don't think any of the Connecticut kids (from CT HSs) are big losses; and furthermore, why would you think a guy who has been on the job less than a year would have the relationships to win those recruiting commitments anyway? That just isn't the process here.

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

You could apply your last sentence to yourself, Jimmy. Just sayin'.

LOL. I have been called every name in the book from an Apologista to a Negative Nancy. I can stomach the arguing and name calling. Mostly because I'm usually right.

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

did you get your feelings hurt?

The funny thing about this is that we all will know if we have a stable 5 years going forward. Diaco recruits and the kids go 5 years (most of them) & we can weigh how good his evaluation talent was. At this point, you are just a WHINER. Paul Pasqualoni has a record. An incredible number of his recruits left within 18 months. Very few of them will start. That is your argument. You have no statistical evidence nor qualitative substance to say Diaco recruited less than the Syracuse and others. I don't think any of the Connecticut kids (from CT HSs) are big losses; and furthermore, why would you think a guy who has been on the job less than a year would have the relationships to win those recruiting commitments anyway? That just isn't the process here.

Sportsart, Confident Carl, Bnich, and the others: Just remember when whaler responds where to direct your anger to.

 

[Pudge]

Where do I begin?

First, the 3-star crap isn't bogus, and it makes sense as a metric in aggregate. No single 3-star rating can be proven or disproven, nor is any single 2-star rating more valid than someone else's 3-star rating. But in aggregate, if you are grabbing a bunch of players with higher average star values overall, you win more games. That fact is not in question. The data supports it over a large period of time. If you don't like it, tough. Reality does not require your belief in it to exist.

Second, "we are not going to win lots of 3 star many P5 offer kids. we just aren't": what??? If you are talking about this specific year's recruiting class, then obviously you are right. But if you are talking about UConn in the future, then how can you believe that? That means that you believe that we'll never even be a top 40 school, much less a top 25 school. The schools that "win lots of 3-star many P5 offer kids" include teams like Cincy, Boise State, and our friends up north. Do you seriously believe that our ceiling stops shy of them? Did you not witness that ceiling get shattered in our basketball recruiting, to the point where we almost exclusively land 4's and 5's now??? Wow, how we forget what we used to be in basketball.

Third, Edsall was indeed a program builder. And he build a good program. And I'm grateful for that. But there was always a difference between us and WVU. And the difference was primarily the ceiling of the recruiting classes. We've developed a lot of NFL talent, but we didn't have enough to consistently beat the likes of WVU.

I've said it before and I've said it again; Diaco can be successful with the kids he's bringing in and with the kids that he already has. There is enough talent in that locker room to win a lot of games in the AAC. And quite frankly, we have grossly underachieved for about 4 years now. I look forward to us achieving what I think we can and should. But none of that has anything to do with the validity of the star ratings in aggregate...

You just lack the understanding of how kids get a 3 Star.

IF ... for instance ... we had 5000 fans on Connecticut Rivals.com who pay membership, we could get 20 3 Stars instead of 4. That is what happens at multiple sites around the country. When that is the fundamental qualitative threshold, I call BS on the whole system. Second, our (OUR) High Schools - NY & all the NE states are far under-recruited and far under-evaluated. Plus Quebec and Ontario. There's rarely a kid playing in the NFL today from that region that got a 3 Star.

I will give you your wish. You can spout 3 Stars forever. I am never going to buy the argument. So ... I suggest we just let you spout away cause it is spurious.

 

[Pudge]

Sportsart, Confident Carl, Bnich, and the others: Just remember when whaler responds where to direct your anger to.

There are reasonable adult posters going back 10 years that do not post any longer & many that post far less because of the board's current poison. Some of the best. I know you just like to read your posts. I happen to miss many others that had a point of view different from yours.

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

I will give you your wish. You can spout 3 Stars forever. I am never going to buy the argument. So ... I suggest we just let you spout away cause it is spurious.

Priceless. YOU are the one that initiated this discussion.

But go ahead and keep on with the spurious "you and whaler are poison to the board and have driven away all of these 10 year posters" nonsense.

 

[junglehusky]

LOL. I have been called every name in the book from an Apologista to a Negative Nancy. I can stomach the arguing and name calling. Mostly because I'm usually right.

If you're right (or not) you can make your argument with points without whining about being called out. Both you and Pudge are coming across as thin-skinned in this thread and however many other threads you go back and forth.

 

[whaler11]

Pudge if anyone's feelings are hurt they are yours.

You want to ignore data because it leads to conclusions you don't like.

Your case that UConn is geographic outlier and therefore the data isn't applicable holds no water since the on-field results line up very closely with the past recruiting analysis.

That you continue to pick fights and then cry about being disagreed with on a topic where you are wrong seems that you might not have the ability to determine what a reasonable adult poster looks like. A couple of months back you were scolding posters for creating us versus them in the fanbase. You've done nothing for the past two weeks than attempt to drive posters into us vs them. So make up your mind?

Wanting to beat FBS schools for recruits instead of Monmouth and Bryant is only 'negative' because you keep framing it as such. Thinking that the program should have higher aspirations when it comes to recruiting doesn't strike me as negative.

If you don't think offers (you know the actual argument you keep trying to turn into stars) matter - bully for you. You can probably find some people that think the sun revolves around the earth and that if you sail far enough east there are dragons awaiting your arrival.

 

[UConnDan97]

You just lack the understanding of how kids get a 3 Star.

IF ... for instance ... we had 5000 fans on Connecticut Rivals.com who pay membership, we could get 20 3 Stars instead of 4. That is what happens at multiple sites around the country. When that is the fundamental qualitative threshold, I call BS on the whole system. Second, our (OUR) High Schools - NY & all the NE states are far under-recruited and far under-evaluated. Plus Quebec and Ontario. There's rarely a kid playing in the NFL today from that region that got a 3 Star.

I will give you your wish. You can spout 3 Stars forever. I am never going to buy the argument. So ... I suggest we just let you spout away cause it is spurious.

Thank you so much for allowing me the courtesy of "spouting away"! I was so much looking forward to that, and you have honored me greatly by awarding that to me!

Pudge, try to get a hold of yourself. Honestly. In one breath, you are saying that we don't get 3-star kids because NE states don't get any kids listed as 3-stars. Then, in another breath, you say that you don't think any of the Connecticut kids were "big losses" (seven of which were 3-star rated or higher). And that's just CT. I haven't the slightest clue what you think your point is. But more importantly, I'm not really sure what your problem is. But facts are facts, and I'm not particularly concerned if you "don't buy it". I'll end my spouting away now. Thanks again for the kind allowance you have given me!!!

 

[UConnDan97]

You want to ignore data because it leads to conclusions you don't like.

^^^ Yahtzee!!!

And this sums up in one sentence what I've been trying to say in 3 posts. That doesn't speak well for my writing prowess...

 

[whaler11]

Thank you so much for allowing me the courtesy of "spouting away"! I was so much looking forward to that, and you have honored me greatly by awarding that to me!

Pudge, try to get a hold of yourself. Honestly. In one breath, you are saying that we don't get 3-star kids because NE states don't get any kids listed as 3-stars. Then, in another breath, you say that you don't think any of the Connecticut kids were "big losses" (seven of which were 3-star rated or higher). And that's just CT. I haven't the slightest clue what you think your point is. But more importantly, I'm not really sure what your problem is. But facts are facts, and I'm not particularly concerned if you "don't buy it". I'll end my spouting away now. Thanks again for the kind allowance you have given me!!!

It was generous of someone who is attempting to make the argument that the recruiting actions of 128 FBS coaching staffs don't in the aggregate create qualitative data.

Certainly the opinions of Steve Addazio, James Franklin and David Cutcliffe hold no value.

I look forward to a future diatribe that a 6th round pick in the NFL draft holds as much value as a first round pick because of Tom Brady.

 

[ZooCougar]

Beating Monmouth for recruits=Doing it the right way

Beating FBS Schools for Recruits=Doing it the wrong way

Ok. Really?

I'd rather win more games and go to bowl games that put kids in the league. Putting kids in the league is not a metric that doesn't indicate TEAM success on the field.

 

[ZooCougar]

There are cranky adult posters going back 10 years that do not post any longer & many that post far less because of the board's current acceptance of reality. Some of the best. I know you just like to read your posts. I happen to miss many others that had a point of view different from yours.

Fixed it for you.

 

[Hoophound]

One advantage we have is we attract and produce men who have solid character and are intelligent. Our academic and moral standards are high. That does help in the long term.

I think this does help. Despite the willingness of others to dismiss it, it takes discipline and hard work to turn a kid into a pro prospect. Kids that achieve in school are workers.