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Fowles was part of the original pool in 2007. She was selected to the National team pool in the spring of '07, her Junior year at LSU, more than a year before the 2008 Olympics.. She came into the pool with Parker, C. Paris, and Jess Davenport. This time around, Griner and 'Sloot were added in spring of 2011, again more than 1 year before the Olympics. Sophia Young was the lone late addition to the pool this past January, IIRC. Shortly after that, in February, the Committee was already starting to make the first round of cuts.

So again, the real question should be: Why didn't Nneka make the pool in spring 2011 after her Junior season? She was clearly a great collegian at that time but apparently not impressive enough to be added at the same time as Griner and 'Sloot. That was probably the real opportunity missed; everybody else except Sophia Young was already in the pool. So fast forward to Nneka's senior season. By the time Young was added--which looks like about the final timeframe that the Committee considered adding players before cuts began--how many more big/notable games did Stanford have that might have caught the Committee's attention? They had a good win at Texas, but Nneka was dinged up and I don't believe she played. She played well and was the Cardinal's leading scorer with 22 at UCONN, but KML had 25 and Stanford lost the game. Then around the holidays she goes absolutely NUTS at home against Tennessee. 40+ points and a gazillion rebounds. Definitely a statement game for the ages that served notice she was taking it to another level. But by that point in her senior season (January) that was the only game against a big-name program that really stood out (and boy did it stand out...) that they hadn't already seen in spring 2011. So, the committee decided to take a pass when they could have added her along with Sophia Young. And in January 2012 the pool already had 12 players who could be labelled forwards or combo forwards. Nneka would have made it 13. At its largest, the 2007-08 pool had 11. Maybe the Committee was close to talking her but thought by adding Young they had added another new, athletic forward to the mix and that was enough. I would have to think they took a hard look at Nneka, not just for talent but also for the youth movement that you rightly identify as a necessary ingredient in the larger process.

For whatever reason, they didn't, and it may have been largely due to the fact that after she wasn't picked for the pool in spring 2011, there were not--IIRC--any opportunities for her to scrimmage or play against them or against other pro talent like she did as part of a Select team in 2010 before the WC. That team, and the national pool team, played and scrimmaged against each other, and later the national pool team had its own scrimmages internally as cuts progressed. I think that final cuts for the 2010 WC team didn't occur until almost right before the Championships began in September. In contrast, Sophia Young had already been an WNBA all-star and was looking good in her 2011 WNBA season. She may also have had a partial overseas season under her belt by the end of 2011. If there were any games in 2011 between the national pool team and a Select team that included collegians, I don't remember any. (Not saying there weren't.) Anyway, final cuts for this Olympic team were made way in advance, unlike the WC team.

To repeat what I said in another post, I think Nneka is clearly one of a handful of people who could be put on this team right now, if the process were set up that way, and play great ball for Team USA. IMO she is at that level, and she has the youth element on her side. (Lawson is another who could easily play great ball for us right now. She's having a great year and could suit up tomorrow.) But too many people are mixing what they've seen in this WNBA season--or in Nneka's case, all games after December 2011--and basing their opinions on that in addition to what they saw earlier in her college career. The Committee had a schedule that appears to show January 2012 was the last opportunity to get added. Cuts began thereafter. Certainly there were people in 2011 and early 2012, particularly after the Tennessee game, who saw Nneka and said "She should be on that team." Not an unreasonable position AT ALL. But for reasons above, mostly having to do with timing, it didn't happen. One last unfortunate reason for her 2011 omission may well have been the huge amount of press Griner was getting and continues to get, which sucked most of the air out of the room when it came to collegians on the team, even though 'Sloot broke through the noise.

Excellent post VAMike, but I don't buy that the committee (which Tara has influence- Renee Brown who is on the committee started her career at Stanford) had little knowledge about Nneka's Jr or Sr year. Remember, she went off on OU in F4 semi final game for 42 or 44 pts. And the TN game was in Dec 2011 at Maples. Honestly, one has to wonder if the PAC 12 and west coast ball hurt her, which has proven to be total BS given how she has played in the WNBA. I think the committee would have added her in the pool IF they didn't have a log jam at the posts AND if they really saw her talent and potential.The media and press on Griner out shadowed Nneka, which is too bad. Any objective viewer in Denver could see Nneka could hang with Bri, and beat her off the dribble, a lot.
 
And to add if people don't think the selection process is political, then I have some swamp land in FL I'd like to sell ya. Read Venus to the Hoop.
 
I'm not bitter, at all. :) I love Nneka and our USA team. If I had the time and money, I'd be London cheering them on. Yeah, BG won every award, but not everyone agreed with it. Just like I'm sure you don't agree with me that Nneka is better than Young. :)
Honestly, if there's a fan base that deserves a little bitterness, it's the Stanford fans. There have been some outstanding players that haven't gotten the press or awards they might not deserve, mostly because of UConn - Nicole Powell, Candice Wiggins and now Nneka Ogwumike come to mind.
 
People just need to get a life. Once a player graduates, she represents the USA and that's all I need to know. People who want the US to lose because it has "too" many UConn players should be ashamed of themselves.

The problem is that they are so full of hate for Geno and UCONN that they don't care.
 
An interesting thought on Griner. I think that had she been announced as part of the team initially she would probably have gone to the Olympics. When the committee did not make it clear that they REALLY wanted her I think that she decided that it was OK to make the decision that she did and nobody would be disappointed. I think that all along she wanted to stay home but that decision by the committee to name the last player at a later date gave her the freedom to make the decision that she did. And to be honest, there was a part of me that was pleased with her decision. If they committee really wanted her they should have included her up front.

I have another theory and why she didn't go but it is strictly conjecture on my part and nothing that I would ever share other than with friends. No, it has nothing to do with gender testing.
You don't think there would have been conversations going on.
 
If Nneka was a guard and played that position like she does the forward, she would probably be on the team. Team USA greatest strengths are wing and forward positions. Nneka didn't have enough Team USA experience compared against those that made the team to make the team this year. I'm sure she will be on the 2014 World Championship team.

I also believe that Team USA; not Geno; did give UConn players extra consideration as they are used to Geno's system and would be easier to integrate into a team. I guess I'm saying if the committee thought the players talents were equal (important), a little extra consideration was given to former UConn players. Team USA doesn't have a lot of time to put together a team, so it makes sense to select players that know the coaches system as long as the talent level is equal. Swin and Ashja may not have made the team if Geno wasn't the head coach. Even with that said, I'm not sure Nneka would have been selected either due to limited Team USA play.
 
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Again, I do know that she was NOT in the running for this team, but wonder why? It's the catholic upbringing in me (recovering catholic, that is).
Well that's not "again", that's an entirely different question than you have been asking. (i.e. her replacing Cash or Jones, being on the team). Whether she was added to the pool really doesn't have anything to do with Cash and Jones being on the team. They were already in the pool. You gotta get in the pool first, go to the tryouts before you can get picked for a NT team.

Now if you think Nneka should have been added to the pool, I would probably agree, she should have been. But since she was not, the rest of your arguments for her inclusion in the team are really pointless.
 
Ericsandiego started the "you should check your stats" comment to 'justavistor, so he was replying with his own stats.
not sure if the English escaped you but just's post basically said my stats were wrong. come on card, you are better than that.
 
Not only is her blog not interesting, but she appears to be ignorant of the facts concerning how the team is put together, since she thinks politics were involved, and since she does not even know that Nneka was not in the pool. Why anyone would read that drivel/blog is a mystery to me.
Plus any genius can write a blog. I bet we have several BY'ers who have blogs (not that they are morons :))
 
Addition to hoopism- she is also a huge Tenn fan.

My wish, go USA and lets get going early and not let any of these teams think they have a chance.
 
Well that's not "again", that's an entirely different question than you have been asking. (i.e. her replacing Cash or Jones, being on the team). Whether she was added to the pool really doesn't have anything to do with Cash and Jones being on the team. They were already in the pool. You gotta get in the pool first, go to the tryouts before you can get picked for a NT team.

Now if you think Nneka should have been added to the pool, I would probably agree, she should have been. But since she was not, the rest of your arguments for her inclusion in the team are really pointless.

well, we are just talking the chicken/egg. I understand the process and know the players must be in the pool to be selected to final team. My comment about Nneka being better than some of the 4s was my opinion, not that she should replace them now because it's too late, obviously.
 
not sure if the English escaped you but just's post basically said my stats were wrong. come on card, you are better than that.

I thought you said it first, that he should check his stats. I may have missed it, sorry.
 
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Excellent post VAMike, but I don't buy that the committee (which Tara has influence- Renee Brown who is on the committee started her career at Stanford) had little knowledge about Nneka's Jr or Sr year. Remember, she went off on OU in F4 semi final game for 42 or 44 pts. And the TN game was in Dec 2011 at Maples. Honestly, one has to wonder if the PAC 12 and west coast ball hurt her, which has proven to be total BS given how she has played in the WNBA. I think the committee would have added her in the pool IF they didn't have a log jam at the posts AND if they really saw her talent and potential.The media and press on Griner out shadowed Nneka, which is too bad. Any objective viewer in Denver could see Nneka could hang with Bri, and beat her off the dribble, a lot.

Cardfan, I like to have facts before I debate, so I am just now getting back on this "beat her off the dribble, a lot" quote. I watched the replay of the Baylor/Stanford game. When matched up one-on-one against BG, Nneka made 4 of 11 shots, and two of those were from offensive rebounds after missing the initial shot. So, basically, Nneka made 2 shots when driving on BG. That may qualify as "a lot" in your book, but it doesn't in mine. The two that she did make were spectacular, which may have made it seem like more than it really was. I think you were looking through cardinal colored glasses.

For the record, Nneka was NEVER matched up one-on-one against BG. Tara had a great game plan to surround BG the way she did. I would like to have seen Nneka play BG one-on-one on defense but Tara knew that she didn't have a player that she could depend on to stop BG in single coverage.
 
I thought you said it first, that he should check his stats. I may have missed it, sorry.


You're correct. Eric stated first that I should check my stats. From my original post, I stated "As a rookie, she's in the top 10 in the league with her overall numbers." Notice that I said overall stats, not simply scoring stats. Eric compared only the pts. and shooting %. This in no way reflects their overall game. Efficiency is a better indicator of their overall performance. Points and shooting % alone does not present a good picture as to the value of a player. So while Eric's statistics were correct, they only reflected a small portion of the game.

 
You're correct. Eric stated first that I should check my stats. From my original post, I stated "As a rookie, she's in the top 10 in the league with her overall numbers." Notice that I said overall stats, not simply scoring stats. Eric compared only the pts. and shooting %. This in no way reflects their overall game. Efficiency is a better indicator of their overall performance. Points and shooting % alone does not present a good picture as to the value of a player. So while Eric's statistics were correct, they only reflected a small portion of the game.

I think that stat is a bunch of BS. I have looked at some games where a player played few minutes and had a good rating and had no points and no rebounds, yet a player who had lots of points and rebounds had a - rating. It simply was not a true measure of how each affected the game.
 
Cardfan, I like to have facts before I debate, so I am just now getting back on this "beat her off the dribble, a lot" quote. I watched the replay of the Baylor/Stanford game. When matched up one-on-one against BG, Nneka made 4 of 11 shots, and two of those were from offensive rebounds after missing the initial shot. So, basically, Nneka made 2 shots when driving on BG. That may qualify as "a lot" in your book, but it doesn't in mine. The two that she did make were spectacular, which may have made it seem like more than it really was. I think you were looking through cardinal colored glasses.

For the record, Nneka was NEVER matched up one-on-one against BG. Tara had a great game plan to surround BG the way she did. I would like to have seen Nneka play BG one-on-one on defense but Tara knew that she didn't have a player that she could depend on to stop BG in single coverage.

nope, not looking thru cardinal glasses, Nneka beat Brit and Tara SHOULD have had Nneka do it more because it worked, and would have worked more.
 
nope, not looking thru cardinal glasses, Nneka beat Brit and Tara SHOULD have had Nneka do it more because it worked, and would have worked more.

She made TWO shots off the dribble against BG. She missed a lot more shots against Griner than she made. Take away those two put-backs and she was 2 of 9 (22%). Can you seriously say that qualifies as beating her off the dribble "a lot?"

I think Tara's plan was better.
 
She made TWO shots off the dribble against BG. She missed a lot more shots against Griner than she made. Take away those two put-backs and she was 2 of 9 (22%). Can you seriously say that qualifies as beating her off the dribble "a lot?"

I think Tara's plan was better.

Tara had a good team plan, but we didn't knock down open threes, but what I disagreed with, vehemently so, that Nneka was jacking up threes in the first half vs. attacking Griner, especially when Griner had 2 fouls.

She was beating her to the basket and could have done it more. Here's what Nneka said after the game:
http://www.gostanford.com/sports/w-baskbl/recaps/040112aaa.html

Afterward, Ogwumike wished she had been more aggressive.

"I was definitely psyching myself out in the first half," said Ogwumike, who likely will be the top pick in the WNBA draft on April 16. "In the second half, I just started attacking. I think it is mostly psychological. She has 200 more blocked shots than our whole team.

"We were too worried about her, but attacking her was not as hard as thought it would be. It comes down to knocking down shots."

Especially from beyond the 3-point line, where the Cardinal were just 2 of 17 for the night.

"They make things hard. They take you out of your normal thing," VanDerveer said. "It took us that long to get the floor organized. We had some nice open looks and didn't knock down shots."
 
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