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You may be factually correct based on standards of your own choosing, but your choice of standards is poor. The efficiency statistic the NBA adopted is a bad statistic, and when applied to the WNBA as they have done it is even worse. I'm not sure how versed Eric is in statistics, but no one well versed in basketball stats would accept your argument based on Efficiency.

In addition arguing that a player deserves a spot based on WNBA statistics introduces a criteria that the committee choosing the players doesn't even consider. The national team is not and never has been a WNBA All-Star team. Nneka will get her chance and will almost certainly be on the 2014 team. Unfortunately for her it is not her time yet. If she had developed her jump shot sooner she may have been considered for the National team player pool in time for this Olympics.


again, WHAT? Look at the tape of the game she played vs UConn, esp her soph year (at UConn) and then look at the tape of TN game this year, then look at more tapes of her WNBA ROY season so far. She HAS a jump shot, just a not a three, yet. And, imho, she doesn't need to shoot the 3 because she is the BEST 4.
 
again, WTF? Look at the tape of the game she played vs UConn, esp her soph year (at UConn) and then look at the tape of TN game this year, then look at more tapes of her WNBA ROY season so far. She HAS a jump shot, just a not a three, yet. And, imho, she doesn't need to shoot the 3 because she is the BEST 4.

That's like saying that Griner doesn't need to be able to shoot the 15 footer because she is the best 5. She shouldn't be shooting it as frequently as a 4 but it is still a valuable asset. And wasn't that one of the reason that you argued that she was better than Griner, because she had better range? And wouldn't that same argument hold true if comparing Nneka to Maya? Swin Cash can shoot the three pretty well, and that, plus her experience with the rest of the national team, was what secured her a slot on this team.
 
I have NO PROBLEM with the make-up of this team, other than the exclusion of Cappie.
IIRC, Cappie skipped the 2010 World Championships so that she could go to NYC for an event related to her interest in fashion design. I think that may have hurt her chances as it didn't show a dedication to USA Basketball that the Committee might have been hoping to see.
 
IIRC, Cappie skipped the 2010 World Championships so that she could go to NYC for an event related to her interest in fashion design. I think that may have hurt her chances as it didn't show a dedication to USA Basketball that the Committee might have been hoping to see.

These players need to be able to secure their futures outside of basketball. I have no problem with a player who has aspirations outside of basketball making a decision such as that. But, maybe the committee does. Cappie is simply one of the best players in the world and, IMO, should be on this team.
 
These players need to be able to secure their futures outside of basketball. I have no problem with a player who has aspirations outside of basketball making a decision such as that. But, maybe the committee does.
She told USA Basketball she was too tired to play on the WC team, then went to NYC. Just Googled Cappie and found that tidbit that I'd forgotten in a Mechelle voepel article.
 
IIRC, Cappie skipped the 2010 World Championships so that she could go to NYC for an event related to her interest in fashion design. I think that may have hurt her chances as it didn't show a dedication to USA Basketball that the Committee might have been hoping to see.

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She told USA Basketball she was too tired to play on the WC team, then went to NYC. Just Googled Cappie and found that tidbit that I'd forgotten in a Mechelle voepel article.

If that is the case and she was not honest and up front, then I can see that USA Basketball would have second thoughts about including her on the team. Thanks for the additional info.
 
Actually, you should check your facts. You seem to only be concerned with offense, but basketball is played on both ends of the court. At the midway point of the season, Nneka is #10 in efficiency. They both play 28 mins. per game. Nneka is averaging 14.1 pts., 8 rebs., 1 assist, 1 block, and 1.6 steals. Maya is ranked #15 and averaging. 14.8 pts., 5 rebs, 3 assists, 1.2 steals, and .5 blocks. I stand by my original comment where I stated Nneka is the only player from the last 2 classes that is ranked in the top 10 statistically.

Wing player - Dewanna Bonner and Epiphany Prince (with that said, I never said Maya should not be on the team)

Guards - Cappie, Toliver, Kara

Forward - Sophia Young


Again, I never said Maya should not be on the team. You stated that statistically speaking Nneka shouldn't be. I am simply pointing out that her overall numbers, her impact on the game, is just as good if not better than Maya's. However, they are both phenomenal young players that represent the future of the league.
What was wrong with his stats? What a silly start to your post.. You can certainly argue that there is more to statistics than PPG and whatever stats he was posting about, but as a visitor, to act like an idiot on the board will earn you no welcome here.

So yeah, go back and CHECK YOUR FACTS before posting drivel like "Actually, you should check your facts". Come on back when your chip is gone off your shoulder.
 
Nneka was not a consistent jump shooter as a sophomore, which is how early it would need to have been to receive consideration for the national team player pool early enough to get into the the training camps to learn the system. The last significant training camp the US team had was prior to Nneka's senior season. Maya Moore was the National Player of the Year as a sophomore. Nneka needed to be that polished and that accomplished all the way back then to deserve consideration for the 2012 Olympic with no international experience over far more experienced post players with similar talent. How she shot the ball as a senior or this summer in the WNBA is irrelevant.

again, WHAT? Look at the tape of the game she played vs UConn, esp her soph year (at UConn) and then look at the tape of TN game this year, then look at more tapes of her WNBA ROY season so far. She HAS a jump shot, just a not a three, yet. And, imho, she doesn't need to shoot the 3 because she is the BEST 4.
 
That's like saying that Griner doesn't need to be able to shoot the 15 footer because she is the best 5. She shouldn't be shooting it as frequently as a 4 but it is still a valuable asset. And wasn't that one of the reason that you argued that she was better than Griner, because she had better range? And wouldn't that same argument hold true if comparing Nneka to Maya? Swin Cash can shoot the three pretty well, and that, plus her experience with the rest of the national team, was what secured her a slot on this team.

dood, where've you been? :) a 15 fter is different than a 3, by 6 in. I think Nneka is better than Griner at this point because she has more skills and better range. I never said she could drain the 3, but she consistently hits shots from 10-12 ft, at elbow, baseline, etc. And she shots a pretty good percentage, 50% now and 60% in college.

We all know Maya is a 3, Nneka is a 4. So they play with their strengths, Maya is not going to be posting up as much and Nneka is not going to be out shooting 3's. My pt, she DOES have a jump shot, a better one that Brit.
 
Nneka was not a consistent jump shooter as a sophomore, which is how early it would need to have been to receive consideration for the national team player pool early enough to get into the the training camps to learn the system. The last significant training camp the US team had was prior to Nneka's senior season. Maya Moore was the National Player of the Year as a sophomore. Nneka needed to be that polished and that accomplished all the way back then to deserve consideration for the 2012 Olympic with no international experience over far more experienced post players with similar talent. How she shot the ball as a senior or this summer in the WNBA is irrelevant.

Then you missed a lot of her games. Go back and watch the tape vs. UConn her soph year. You saying she didn't and does not have a jump shot, is flat out wrong.
 
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The posters are getting a bit testy. Keep it civil people.

Here is an article pertaining to players selected for USA basketball. The author of this article thinks that Swin Cash and Aisha Jones should not be on the team. The author thinks that Cappie Poindexter and Neka Ogwumike should have their roster spots. Click link below and enjoy.
http://hoopism.blogspot.com/

The author also notes that their are politics involved. He/she also points out that Neka and Cappie have better statistics than Swin and Aisha, plus fresher younger legs. Interesting.
 
What was wrong with his stats? What a silly start to your post.. You can certainly argue that there is more to statistics than PPG and whatever stats he was posting about, but as a visitor, to act like an idiot on the board will earn you no welcome here.

So yeah, go back and CHECK YOUR FACTS before posting drivel like "Actually, you should check your facts". Come on back when your chip is gone off your shoulder.

Ericsandiego started the "you should check your stats" comment to 'justavistor, so he was replying with his own stats.
 
dood, where've you been? :) a 15 fter is different than a 3, by 6 in. I think Nneka is better than Griner at this point because she has more skills and better range. I never said she could drain the 3, but she consistently hits shots from 10-12 ft, at elbow, baseline, etc. And she shots a pretty good percentage, 50% now and 60% in college.

We all know Maya is a 3, Nneka is a 4. So they play with their strengths, Maya is not going to be posting up as much and Nneka is not going to be out shooting 3's. My pt, she DOES have a jump shot, a better one that Brit.

OK...you can get over your bitterness about all of the awards that Nneka didn't win. Nneka is an exceptional player and athlete and I admire your dogged determination to say that she is the better player, despite the fact that BG won every award possible in which people's opinions counted and votes were tabulated. Nneka is no longer in college so let's start comparing her to her peers, not a college player. Her stats are no better than those of another Baylor player, Sophia Young.
 
The posters are getting a bit testy. Keep it civil people.

Here is an article pertaining to players selected for USA basketball. The author of this article thinks that Swin Cash and Aisha Jones should not be on the team. The author thinks that Cappie Poindexter and Neka Ogwumike should have their roster spots. Click link below and enjoy.
http://hoopism.blogspot.com/

The author also notes that their are politics involved. He/she also points out that Neka and Cappie have better statistics than Swin and Aisha, plus fresher younger legs. Interesting.

OK, so I could have a blog that takes a different point of view and since that blogger is unidentified, I can assert that I'm better qualified to offer an opinion on this. Especially since that author thinks politics are involved. That is an idiotic opinion, so why you are posting that "article" is unclear.
 
She told USA Basketball she was too tired to play on the WC team, then went to NYC. Just Googled Cappie and found that tidbit that I'd forgotten in a Mechelle voepel article.

It was a bad move for Cappie if she wanted to play. But if she didn't, and wants a career in fashion more, then more power to her. No one takes off of the WC team, not even the most experienced veterans, so for Cappie to do it looked very bad.
 
OK, so I could have a blog that takes a different point of view and since that blogger is unidentified, I can assert that I'm better qualified to offer an opinion on this. Especially since that author thinks politics are involved. That is an idiotic opinion, so why you are posting that "article" is unclear.

The blogger is Sue Favor. Here's how she describes herself: "Sue Favor is a Los Angeles Unified School District high school teacher, coach, avid basketball fan, athlete and writer of a women's basketball ..."

So, just as you said. Her blog is not really all that interesting as she does nothing but glom on to comments made by internet board posters.
 
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OK...you can get over your bitterness about all of the awards that Nneka didn't win. Nneka is an exceptional player and athlete and I admire your dogged determination to say that she is the better player, despite the fact that BG won every award possible in which people's opinions counted and votes were tabulated. Nneka is no longer in college so let's start comparing her to her peers, not a college player. Her stats are no better than those of another Baylor player, Sophia Young.

I'm not bitter, at all. :) I love Nneka and our USA team. If I had the time and money, I'd be London cheering them on. Yeah, BG won every award, but not everyone agreed with it. Just like I'm sure you don't agree with me that Nneka is better than Young. :)
 
She did not have a consistent jump shot as a sophomore if the standard is an Olympic quality post player. What she did in one game is again irrelevant. I saw Nneka play over a dozen games as a sophomore. Again the standard is even higher for someone with no experience playing at the highest levels. Is Nneka talented enough to be on this this Olympic team? Yes, but that is different from deserving to be on it.


Then you missed a lot of her games. Go back and watch the tape vs. UConn her soph year. You saying she didn't and does not have a jump shot, is flat out wrong.
 
OK, so I could have a blog that takes a different point of view and since that blogger is unidentified, I can assert that I'm better qualified to offer an opinion on this. Especially since that author thinks politics are involved. That is an idiotic opinion, so why you are posting that "article" is unclear.

hah. as my mother often says, 'there are politics in everything". Read "Venus to the Hoop. "
 
The blogger is Sue Favor. Here's how she describes herself: "Sue Favor is a Los Angeles Unified School District high school teacher, coach, avid basketball fan, athlete and writer of a women's basketball ..."

So, just as you said. Her blog is not really all that interesting as she does nothing but glom on to comments made by internet board posters.

Not only is her blog not interesting, but she appears to be ignorant of the facts concerning how the team is put together, since she thinks politics were involved, and since she does not even know that Nneka was not in the pool. Why anyone would read that drivel/blog is a mystery to me.
 
The posters are getting a bit testy. Keep it civil people.

Here is an article pertaining to players selected for USA basketball. The author of this article thinks that Swin Cash and Aisha Jones should not be on the team. The author thinks that Cappie Poindexter and Neka Ogwumike should have their roster spots. Click link below and enjoy.
http://hoopism.blogspot.com/

The author also notes that their are politics involved. He/she also points out that Neka and Cappie have better statistics than Swin and Aisha, plus fresher younger legs. Interesting.

His opinion carries no weight with me unless he compares Sophia Young's stats, as well. She is in the top 10 in the WNBA in PPG and RBG. Her FG% is better than that of Pondexter and Nneka, as well as every member of the Olympic team other than Fowles.

However, with that said, Jones and Cash simply have experience with this team. Yes, the UCONN connection helped them make the team as the team had a short time to prepare and knowing Geno and having played with the rest of the national team is something that cannot be learned overnight. It was simply wise to have these two on the team and was the right decision.
 
She did not have a consistent jump shot as a sophomore if the standard is an Olympic quality post player. What she did in one game is again irrelevant. I saw Nneka play over a dozen games as a sophomore. Again the standard is even higher for someone with no experience playing at the highest levels. Is Nneka talented enough to be on this this Olympic team? Yes, but that is different from deserving to be on it.

it was more than one game, for many seasons, including her WNBA season. Again, I do know that she was NOT in the running for this team, but wonder why? It's the catholic upbringing in me (recovering catholic, that is). I want to know why, and not from people on a message board. :)
 
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I'm not bitter, at all. :) I love Nneka and our USA team. If I had the time and money, I'd be London cheering them on. Yeah, BG won every award, but not everyone agreed with it. Just like I'm sure you don't agree with me that Nneka is better than Young. :)

I think that Nneka will be better than Young...but the stats don't prove it to be true, yet. She has basically the same production so that just doesn't put her ahead of Young at this time. Nneka has CRAZY athletic ability that I'm not sure that there is another player in the WNBA who has the same ability. She truly is a joy to watch with her never ending energy.
 
I think that Nneka will be better than Young...but the stats don't prove it to be true, yet. She has basically the same production so that just doesn't put her ahead of Young at this time. Nneka has CRAZY athletic ability that I'm not sure that there is another player in the WNBA who has the same ability. She truly is a joy to watch with her never ending energy.

I agree with most of your post. :)

off to dinner, see you guys later.
 
She told USA Basketball she was too tired to play on the WC team, then went to NYC. Just Googled Cappie and found that tidbit that I'd forgotten in a Mechelle voepel article.

Sorry but playing basketball is taxing on the body. Watching Fashion Week isn't. So I don't see why it raised eyebrows that she stayed in NY to watch Fashion week. It's not like she was playing basketball elsewhere. :rolleyes:
 
Sorry but playing basketball is taxing on the body. Watching Fashion Week isn't. So I don't see why it raised eyebrows that she stayed in NY to watch Fashion week. It's not like she was playing basketball elsewhere. :rolleyes:

So you think the committee should have just ignored the fact that she chose Fashion Week over the National team that week?
 
Rookies are usually not part of the original pool, so that doesn't apply. Parker was part of the original pool in 2008, but that's because she was selected to play with the National team while she was still in college. Fowles was not part of the original pool, but she was selected to the National team as a rookie. Nneka's case should have been similar to Fowles. There are WNBA coaches that have publically stated that Nneka should have been included. The rationale is that the top young players need to be developed for the future years. These young players will also accept the role of being the understudy players that will come off the bench behind the more experienced players and they won't complain about lack of playing time, as what was suggested earlier in this thread. Typically, the older players do not make the Olympic team for a first time around, because the committee places more importance on getting the younger players some experience.

You stated that Nneka's numbers aren't nearly as good as some of those others, but Maya's aren't either. Nneka's numbers are better. I have no problem with Maya being on the team because she is part of that youth. Using her numbers as an argument would not favor her being on the team. Maya's the future, as is Nneka. The next go around, it's quite possible that Sue, DT, Catchings, Cash, Jones, Augustus, and Whelan all may be past their prime for the next Olympics. That leaves 5 returning players the next time around, which means lack of experience for the next team. Typically, they do a better job of balancing the team from very experienced players to players with little experience to players with no experience.

As for Nneka having something unique, she does. Nneka is a relentless worker with a nose for the ball. As a rookie, she's in the top 10 in the league with her overall numbers, statiscally speaking. No player from this class or even last year's class is in that group.

Fowles was part of the original pool in 2007. She was selected to the National team pool in the spring of '07, her Junior year at LSU, more than a year before the 2008 Olympics.. She came into the pool with Parker, C. Paris, and Jess Davenport. This time around, Griner and 'Sloot were added in spring of 2011, again more than 1 year before the Olympics. Sophia Young was the lone late addition to the pool this past January, IIRC. Shortly after that, in February, the Committee was already starting to make the first round of cuts.

So again, the real question should be: Why didn't Nneka make the pool in spring 2011 after her Junior season? She was clearly a great collegian at that time but apparently not impressive enough to be added at the same time as Griner and 'Sloot. That was probably the real opportunity missed; everybody else except Sophia Young was already in the pool. So fast forward to Nneka's senior season. By the time Young was added--which looks like about the final timeframe that the Committee considered adding players before cuts began--how many more big/notable games did Stanford have that might have caught the Committee's attention? They had a good win at Texas, but Nneka was dinged up and I don't believe she played. She played well and was the Cardinal's leading scorer with 22 at UCONN, but KML had 25 and Stanford lost the game. Then around the holidays she goes absolutely NUTS at home against Tennessee. 40+ points and a gazillion rebounds. Definitely a statement game for the ages that served notice she was taking it to another level. But by that point in her senior season (January) that was the only game against a big-name program that really stood out (and boy did it stand out...) that they hadn't already seen in spring 2011. So, the committee decided to take a pass when they could have added her along with Sophia Young. And in January 2012 the pool already had 12 players who could be labelled forwards or combo forwards. Nneka would have made it 13. At its largest, the 2007-08 pool had 11. Maybe the Committee was close to talking her but thought by adding Young they had added another new, athletic forward to the mix and that was enough. I would have to think they took a hard look at Nneka, not just for talent but also for the youth movement that you rightly identify as a necessary ingredient in the larger process.

For whatever reason, they didn't, and it may have been largely due to the fact that after she wasn't picked for the pool in spring 2011, there were not--IIRC--any opportunities for her to scrimmage or play against them or against other pro talent like she did as part of a Select team in 2010 before the WC. That team, and the national pool team, played and scrimmaged against each other, and later the national pool team had its own scrimmages internally as cuts progressed. I think that final cuts for the 2010 WC team didn't occur until almost right before the Championships began in September. In contrast, Sophia Young had already been an WNBA all-star and was looking good in her 2011 WNBA season. She may also have had a partial overseas season under her belt by the end of 2011. If there were any games in 2011 between the national pool team and a Select team that included collegians, I don't remember any. (Not saying there weren't.) Anyway, final cuts for this Olympic team were made way in advance, unlike the WC team.

To repeat what I said in another post, I think Nneka is clearly one of a handful of people who could be put on this team right now, if the process were set up that way, and play great ball for Team USA. IMO she is at that level, and she has the youth element on her side. (Lawson is another who could easily play great ball for us right now. She's having a great year and could suit up tomorrow.) But too many people are mixing what they've seen in this WNBA season--or in Nneka's case, all games after December 2011--and basing their opinions on that in addition to what they saw earlier in her college career. The Committee had a schedule that appears to show January 2012 was the last opportunity to get added. Cuts began thereafter. Certainly there were people in 2011 and early 2012, particularly after the Tennessee game, who saw Nneka and said "She should be on that team." Not an unreasonable position AT ALL. But for reasons above, mostly having to do with timing, it didn't happen. One last unfortunate reason for her 2011 omission may well have been the huge amount of press Griner was getting and continues to get, which sucked most of the air out of the room when it came to collegians on the team, even though 'Sloot broke through the noise.
 
An interesting thought on Griner. I think that had she been announced as part of the team initially she would probably have gone to the Olympics. When the committee did not make it clear that they REALLY wanted her I think that she decided that it was OK to make the decision that she did and nobody would be disappointed. I think that all along she wanted to stay home but that decision by the committee to name the last player at a later date gave her the freedom to make the decision that she did. And to be honest, there was a part of me that was pleased with her decision. If they committee really wanted her they should have included her up front.

I have another theory and why she didn't go but it is strictly conjecture on my part and nothing that I would ever share other than with friends. No, it has nothing to do with gender testing.
 
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