The Big Ten should add UConn and BC for East Coast Supremacy

[pj]

What academic principles?

Exactly. QED.

 

[AZHuskiePop]

LOL...unprincipled and desperate?

That is surely a UConn take....not the take of the rest of the country. And it is the echo of hurt and disappointment.

So you speak for the country or are you just echoing the group-speak narrative of your masters in Connecticut.

 

[RegisteredUconn]

The ACC and FSU wanted Miami...Miami had to have BC and Cuse as their price....

And Miami was hot at the time...12 win seasons in 2001 and 2002...two straight BCS championship games...five national football championships in 20 years.

Yes..Miami was a hottie in 2002.....the ACC would have taken FIU or Georgia Southern if Shalala had insisted.

Sometimes, after you pay many cattle for a comely young bride, she gets fat and waddles.

Shalala gave everyone a picture of Miami-to-come when she spoke of her displeasure with football. FSU wasn't interested in looking at it. Now everyone is saying the Hurricanes aren't aging well.

 

[Kolumbo]

Miami has done OK in terms of what one would expect when joining a basketball conference. BC not so much.

 

[btstimpy]

Their mistake was to skip the large state U's in the Northeast. If the ACC had taken UCONN and Rutgers it would be the most stable league in the country behind the SEC. The Big Ten would be looking to get into the South and East and have very limited options that don't fit their profile. (BC, Cuse). Meanwhile, if the SEC wanted to steal anyone from the ACC, they'd likely get NC ST and or VTech, which wouldn't destroy the ACC at all.

I can't argue that UL wasn't a timely add, they needed some good football at the time. However, their venture into New York/New England was a comical error. If any decision will haunt the ACC, skipping Rutgers and UCONN will be it.

That is some lofty view of stabilization value. I agree that it will be a mistake if the ACC doesn't add UConn at some point. But I'm just not feeling it with Rutgers. The Detroit Bowl Champions just don't knock my socks off. And basketball? Geez. But Ok. To each his own. The Big Ten brought them in for New Jersey cable subscribers. The ACC will have to get cable subscribers from another state.

There are only two college football teams that move the needle in the Northeast really. Penn State and Notre Dame. One is in the Big Ten. The other is playing 5 ACC games per year. There are several major college basketball programs in the Northeast that move the needle. UConn is one, and would fit well in the ACC, which has several others. The football is good enough and can improve.

 

[Seaa Blue]

There are only two college football teams that move the needle in the Northeast really. Penn State and Notre Dame. One is in the Big Ten. The other is playing 5 ACC games per year. .

re: Rutgers: I think everyone needs to look at how the combo of Big Ten + Rutgers is much sweeter than either alone in the NYC market. True, Rutgers brought the cable market, but there's a lot of Big Ten fans (other than PSU or Rutgers) that are now more engaged because Rutgers is now part of the Big Ten.

 

[btstimpy]

re: Rutgers: I think everyone needs to look at how the combo of Big Ten + Rutgers is much sweeter than either alone in the NYC market. True, Rutgers brought the cable market, but there's a lot of Big Ten fans (other than PSU or Rutgers) that are now more engaged because Rutgers is now part of the Big Ten.

I'll take your word for it. Perhaps Rutgers will help the Big Ten in NYC in ways it didn't the Big East or couldn't have for the ACC. ESPN recently has done a rating of Power Conference football coaching jobs. They have an interesting blurb about Rutgers. It basically insinuates that New York doesn't even notice that the Heisman happens in NYC. It doesn't care about college football according to ESPN.

 

[Seaa Blue]

Don't take my word for it, go to the interactive map. Michigan and Ohio State show up quite a bit.

For example, I don't know how the Domers say on one hand that there are dome lovers all over NYC, but then don't acknowledge that collectively the Big Ten has far more fans there. Michigan alone matches Notre Dame numbers in several areas of NYC. And while Notre Dame will max out at 2 games a year in the NYC market (most likely 0 or 1), the Big Ten now has 5, or more.

 

[huskyniner]

Time will tell if Louisville was a better choice than UConn.

The thing is, if UConn is still relegated to this abortion of a conference in 5-10 years, we won't even have the chance to be the better long-term choice.

 

[SubbaBub]

That's why we need a guaranteed path to the playoffs (P4?) so conferences can go to a mandatory 10 game conference schedule and not worry so much about who they're playing non-conference.

At 1 million+ for 1-off games, conferences will start thinking hard about changing the formula.

10 game conference schedules are at odds with the need for 7-8 hone games.

10 games means only 5 at home, the other two would by need be against non-P5 teams who don't require a return game. Neutral sites might might up the lost revenue, but not for the 90k+ schools and those will only be a novelty for so long.

 

[billybud]

I think that the neutral games to start the season will continue to be scheduled....they make interesting cross regional games...

Coming up over the years...

LSU-Texas, WVU-Tennessee, Louisville-Auburn. FSU-Ole Miss, USC-Bama, Florida-Michigan, FSU-Bama, and more.

I don't think they will take the place of home and home scheduling, and the preseason games are limited in number and thus only a small percentage of the schedule.

 

[RegisteredUconn]

I'll take your word for it. Perhaps Rutgers will help the Big Ten in NYC in ways it didn't the Big East or couldn't have for the ACC. ESPN recently has done a rating of Power Conference football coaching jobs. They have an interesting blurb about Rutgers. It basically insinuates that New York doesn't even notice that the Heisman happens in NYC. It doesn't care about college football according to ESPN.

Why WOULD New York care about college football? There's been nothing to care about. Nobody cares about losing. What the Big Ten signed on for was to build a market where none exists. That takes time and more than Rutgers. The real question is, stimpy, will you still love us when we're in the B1G?

 

[Dooley]

10% of NYC is still more valuable to TV execs than 80% of Tuscaloosa. And until millions of people swarm out of the northeast and migrate to the deep south, it always will be.

 

[RegisteredUconn]

I doubt Delany's goal is 10% of NYC.

 

[CoastAtlantic]

I doubt it'd happen but it'd be kinda funny if the Big Ten finally snags a Catholic school and it's Boston College.

 

[Rocktheworld]

lmao as if BC is a part of anyone's plan to establish East Coast "Supremacy." Perhaps "presence" but BC hasn't been close to "supremacy" since, well, ever, thanks to every other East Coast team.

 

[buddy]

I doubt it'd happen but it'd be kinda funny if the Big Ten finally snags a Catholic school and it's Boston College.

I suspect some ACC members are praying for that to happen.

 

[upstater]

Shalala gave everyone a picture of Miami-to-come when she spoke of her displeasure with football. FSU wasn't interested in looking at it. Now everyone is saying the Hurricanes aren't aging well.

Has anyone read the latest climate science on Miami? The U. has a lot bigger things to worry about. There will be a national colossal mess in Miami within the next 2 decades. Massive depopulation. And half that campus is filled with local kids. While the science estimates have a 4 foot sea rise (conservatively, 6 foot rise prediction most agreed upon) taking out most of Miami in 100 years, others have pointed out that a 1 foot rise in the next decade or so will devastate all sewage systems and clean water supply.

 

[pj]

Has anyone read the latest climate science on Miami? The U. has a lot bigger things to worry about. There will be a national colossal mess in Miami within the next 2 decades. Massive depopulation. And half that campus is filled with local kids. While the science estimates have a 4 foot sea rise (conservatively, 6 foot rise prediction most agreed upon) taking out most of Miami in 100 years, others have pointed out that a 1 foot rise in the next decade or so will devastate all sewage systems and clean water supply.

won't happen.

 

[upstater]

won't happen.

The reports I read were by Harold Wanless, U. Miami Geology, and Peter Harlem, FIU Geology. Granted, these are geologists studying the impact of predictive rises and not the probabilities of such rises. But their studies proceed from the view that a 4 foot rise is conservative over 100 years.

Are you saying that their point about a 1 foot rise and sewage/water plants is incorrect? Or the larger overall problem of sea rise? Their argument about sewage and water is based on the fact that Miami is built on porous limestone, so even a rise that doesn't impact most above ground buildings and roads will touch sewage and fresh lakes.

 

[pj]

The reports I read were by Harold Wanless, U. Miami Geology, and Peter Harlem, FIU Geology. Granted, these are geologists studying the impact of predictive rises and not the probabilities of such rises. But their studies proceed from the view that a 4 foot rise is conservative over 100 years.

Are you saying that their point about a 1 foot rise and sewage/water plants is incorrect? Or the larger overall problem of sea rise? Their argument about sewage and water is based on the fact that Miami is built on porous limestone, so even a rise that doesn't impact most above ground buildings and roads will touch sewage and fresh lakes.

No, obviously such a rise would have huge impacts on low-lying property. But the sea level rise won't happen.

I used to work in a closely related field, made frequent use of JPL's atmospheric radiative transfer models (designed for use by astronomers), and looked into adapting it to do climate modeling. I found that the climate science community is a closed group of people engaged in grant gamesmanship. It's conventional to use models that can't possibly provide reliable answers, and to refrain from fully exploring parameter space in those models. Everything is designed to get the next grant. It's not worth paying attention to their forecasts. The best forecast of next decade's weather is the last decade's.

In millions of years, we've had ice ages when sea levels were 200 meters below current levels, but we've never had a time when sea levels were higher than current levels. It's extremely unlikely that the future will give draws outside that sample.

 

[upstater]

No, obviously such a rise would have huge impacts on low-lying property. But the sea level rise won't happen.

I used to work in a closely related field, made frequent use of JPL's atmospheric radiative transfer models (designed for use by astronomers), and looked into adapting it to do climate modeling. I found that the climate science community is a closed group of people engaged in grant gamesmanship. It's conventional to use models that can't possibly provide reliable answers, and to refrain from fully exploring parameter space in those models. Everything is designed to get the next grant. It's not worth paying attention to their forecasts. The best forecast of next decade's weather is the last decade's.

In millions of years, we've had ice ages when sea levels were 200 meters below current levels, but we've never had a time when sea levels were higher than current levels. It's extremely unlikely that the future will give draws outside that sample.

Well, are you talking about current levels? As of 2014, say? Because without a doubt the sea levels have risen in the last several years. If they were at the top of the historical heights when you were looking at it, they rose above that now. Miami is supposed to have already had several inches rise (which is why entire roads are now closed, with green ooze coming through the sewers in the streets).

Google map Alton Road in Miami Beach. That road goes under water more than 10 times a year now, and it is three blocks in from the Bay, with two streets of homes between it and the water. That never happened to Alton 10 years ago. It's a new thing.

 

[Seaa Blue]

Well
Google map Alton Road in Miami Beach. That road goes under water more than 10 times a year now, and it is three blocks in from the Bay, with two streets of homes between it and the water. That never happened to Alton 10 years ago. It's a new thing.

Or is the road sinking? Sometimes happens when we pump out entire seas of water from the ground.

 

[upstater]

Or is the road sinking? Sometimes happens when we pump out entire seas of water from the ground.

This is coastal, not inland. It's off Bay of Biscayne. The whole bayside of Miami Beach goes under water all the way past Alton.

 

[pj]

Here's a chart of sea levels for the last 500 million years:

The seas have occasionally been higher than current levels, but rarely. It's more common for sea level to be 100 m lower than for it to be at current levels.

Most of the changes in sea level observed on time scales of a human lifetime are due to changes in the land, not changes in the relative amounts of water and ice. At polar latitudes the land was pressed down by glaciers during the ice age and is slowly popping back up, moving ocean water toward the equator. Tectonic plate movements are also a factor. Meanwhile coastal land is subject to erosion, especially on barrier islands such as the one Alton Road is situated on.

This page shows sea level changes (relative to land levels) by location globally. Generally the sea level is falling at northern latitudes and rising in the tropics: http://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sltrends/sltrends.html. Around Miami the sea level rise recently has been about 2.5 mm/year or about 10 inches per century.

 

[NickyNewark]

I'll take your word for it. Perhaps Rutgers will help the Big Ten in NYC in ways it didn't the Big East or couldn't have for the ACC. ESPN recently has done a rating of Power Conference football coaching jobs. They have an interesting blurb about Rutgers. It basically insinuates that New York doesn't even notice that the Heisman happens in NYC. It doesn't care about college football according to ESPN.

I see you're still at it Stimpycuse!! Pizzed that RU said they'd NEVER go to the All Cupcake C behind the scenes but it was BiG or bust? Keep pushing you're agenda stimpy but even Cuse fans admit they miss SUNJ.

 

[CTFAN4LIFE]

Here's a chart of sea levels for the last 500 million years:

The seas have occasionally been higher than current levels, but rarely. It's more common for sea level to be 100 m lower than for it to be at current levels.

Most of the changes in sea level observed on time scales of a human lifetime are due to changes in the land, not changes in the relative amounts of water and ice. At polar latitudes the land was pressed down by glaciers during the ice age and is slowly popping back up, moving ocean water toward the equator. Tectonic plate movements are also a factor. Meanwhile coastal land is subject to erosion, especially on barrier islands such as the one Alton Road is situated on.

This page shows sea level changes (relative to land levels) by location globally. Generally the sea level is falling at northern latitudes and rising in the tropics: http://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sltrends/sltrends.html. Around Miami the sea level rise recently has been about 2.5 mm/year or about 10 inches per century.

So now our best hope for entry into the P5 is to pull off some sort of James Bond/Austin Powers villain attempt to raise sea levels enough where a university or two are wiped off the map, lol......

 

[pj]

So now our best hope for entry into the P5 is to pull off some sort of James Bond/Austin Powers villain attempt to raise sea levels enough where a university or two are wiped off the map, lol.

I've always thought UConn should be located on the beach.

 

[Sea Goat]

I've always thought UConn should be located on the beach.

We're already there! UConn - Avery Point