The Big Ten should add UConn and BC for East Coast Supremacy

[Rocktheworld]

lmao as if BC is a part of anyone's plan to establish East Coast "Supremacy." Perhaps "presence" but BC hasn't been close to "supremacy" since, well, ever, thanks to every other East Coast team.

 

[buddy]

I doubt it'd happen but it'd be kinda funny if the Big Ten finally snags a Catholic school and it's Boston College.

I suspect some ACC members are praying for that to happen.

 

[upstater]

Shalala gave everyone a picture of Miami-to-come when she spoke of her displeasure with football. FSU wasn't interested in looking at it. Now everyone is saying the Hurricanes aren't aging well.

Has anyone read the latest climate science on Miami? The U. has a lot bigger things to worry about. There will be a national colossal mess in Miami within the next 2 decades. Massive depopulation. And half that campus is filled with local kids. While the science estimates have a 4 foot sea rise (conservatively, 6 foot rise prediction most agreed upon) taking out most of Miami in 100 years, others have pointed out that a 1 foot rise in the next decade or so will devastate all sewage systems and clean water supply.

 

[pj]

Has anyone read the latest climate science on Miami? The U. has a lot bigger things to worry about. There will be a national colossal mess in Miami within the next 2 decades. Massive depopulation. And half that campus is filled with local kids. While the science estimates have a 4 foot sea rise (conservatively, 6 foot rise prediction most agreed upon) taking out most of Miami in 100 years, others have pointed out that a 1 foot rise in the next decade or so will devastate all sewage systems and clean water supply.

won't happen.

 

[upstater]

won't happen.

The reports I read were by Harold Wanless, U. Miami Geology, and Peter Harlem, FIU Geology. Granted, these are geologists studying the impact of predictive rises and not the probabilities of such rises. But their studies proceed from the view that a 4 foot rise is conservative over 100 years.

Are you saying that their point about a 1 foot rise and sewage/water plants is incorrect? Or the larger overall problem of sea rise? Their argument about sewage and water is based on the fact that Miami is built on porous limestone, so even a rise that doesn't impact most above ground buildings and roads will touch sewage and fresh lakes.

 

[pj]

The reports I read were by Harold Wanless, U. Miami Geology, and Peter Harlem, FIU Geology. Granted, these are geologists studying the impact of predictive rises and not the probabilities of such rises. But their studies proceed from the view that a 4 foot rise is conservative over 100 years.

Are you saying that their point about a 1 foot rise and sewage/water plants is incorrect? Or the larger overall problem of sea rise? Their argument about sewage and water is based on the fact that Miami is built on porous limestone, so even a rise that doesn't impact most above ground buildings and roads will touch sewage and fresh lakes.

No, obviously such a rise would have huge impacts on low-lying property. But the sea level rise won't happen.

I used to work in a closely related field, made frequent use of JPL's atmospheric radiative transfer models (designed for use by astronomers), and looked into adapting it to do climate modeling. I found that the climate science community is a closed group of people engaged in grant gamesmanship. It's conventional to use models that can't possibly provide reliable answers, and to refrain from fully exploring parameter space in those models. Everything is designed to get the next grant. It's not worth paying attention to their forecasts. The best forecast of next decade's weather is the last decade's.

In millions of years, we've had ice ages when sea levels were 200 meters below current levels, but we've never had a time when sea levels were higher than current levels. It's extremely unlikely that the future will give draws outside that sample.

 

[upstater]

No, obviously such a rise would have huge impacts on low-lying property. But the sea level rise won't happen.

I used to work in a closely related field, made frequent use of JPL's atmospheric radiative transfer models (designed for use by astronomers), and looked into adapting it to do climate modeling. I found that the climate science community is a closed group of people engaged in grant gamesmanship. It's conventional to use models that can't possibly provide reliable answers, and to refrain from fully exploring parameter space in those models. Everything is designed to get the next grant. It's not worth paying attention to their forecasts. The best forecast of next decade's weather is the last decade's.

In millions of years, we've had ice ages when sea levels were 200 meters below current levels, but we've never had a time when sea levels were higher than current levels. It's extremely unlikely that the future will give draws outside that sample.

Well, are you talking about current levels? As of 2014, say? Because without a doubt the sea levels have risen in the last several years. If they were at the top of the historical heights when you were looking at it, they rose above that now. Miami is supposed to have already had several inches rise (which is why entire roads are now closed, with green ooze coming through the sewers in the streets).

Google map Alton Road in Miami Beach. That road goes under water more than 10 times a year now, and it is three blocks in from the Bay, with two streets of homes between it and the water. That never happened to Alton 10 years ago. It's a new thing.

 

[Seaa Blue]

Well
Google map Alton Road in Miami Beach. That road goes under water more than 10 times a year now, and it is three blocks in from the Bay, with two streets of homes between it and the water. That never happened to Alton 10 years ago. It's a new thing.

Or is the road sinking? Sometimes happens when we pump out entire seas of water from the ground.

 

[upstater]

Or is the road sinking? Sometimes happens when we pump out entire seas of water from the ground.

This is coastal, not inland. It's off Bay of Biscayne. The whole bayside of Miami Beach goes under water all the way past Alton.

 

[pj]

Here's a chart of sea levels for the last 500 million years:

The seas have occasionally been higher than current levels, but rarely. It's more common for sea level to be 100 m lower than for it to be at current levels.

Most of the changes in sea level observed on time scales of a human lifetime are due to changes in the land, not changes in the relative amounts of water and ice. At polar latitudes the land was pressed down by glaciers during the ice age and is slowly popping back up, moving ocean water toward the equator. Tectonic plate movements are also a factor. Meanwhile coastal land is subject to erosion, especially on barrier islands such as the one Alton Road is situated on.

This page shows sea level changes (relative to land levels) by location globally. Generally the sea level is falling at northern latitudes and rising in the tropics: http://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sltrends/sltrends.html. Around Miami the sea level rise recently has been about 2.5 mm/year or about 10 inches per century.

 

[NickyNewark]

I'll take your word for it. Perhaps Rutgers will help the Big Ten in NYC in ways it didn't the Big East or couldn't have for the ACC. ESPN recently has done a rating of Power Conference football coaching jobs. They have an interesting blurb about Rutgers. It basically insinuates that New York doesn't even notice that the Heisman happens in NYC. It doesn't care about college football according to ESPN.

I see you're still at it Stimpycuse!! Pizzed that RU said they'd NEVER go to the All Cupcake C behind the scenes but it was BiG or bust? Keep pushing you're agenda stimpy but even Cuse fans admit they miss SUNJ.

 

[CTFAN4LIFE]

Here's a chart of sea levels for the last 500 million years:

The seas have occasionally been higher than current levels, but rarely. It's more common for sea level to be 100 m lower than for it to be at current levels.

Most of the changes in sea level observed on time scales of a human lifetime are due to changes in the land, not changes in the relative amounts of water and ice. At polar latitudes the land was pressed down by glaciers during the ice age and is slowly popping back up, moving ocean water toward the equator. Tectonic plate movements are also a factor. Meanwhile coastal land is subject to erosion, especially on barrier islands such as the one Alton Road is situated on.

This page shows sea level changes (relative to land levels) by location globally. Generally the sea level is falling at northern latitudes and rising in the tropics: http://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sltrends/sltrends.html. Around Miami the sea level rise recently has been about 2.5 mm/year or about 10 inches per century.

So now our best hope for entry into the P5 is to pull off some sort of James Bond/Austin Powers villain attempt to raise sea levels enough where a university or two are wiped off the map, lol......

 

[pj]

So now our best hope for entry into the P5 is to pull off some sort of James Bond/Austin Powers villain attempt to raise sea levels enough where a university or two are wiped off the map, lol.

I've always thought UConn should be located on the beach.

 

[Sea Goat]

I've always thought UConn should be located on the beach.

We're already there! UConn - Avery Point