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#41 this week in the USA Today rank. Up 3 spots.
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BYU, Texas rise in college football's NCAA Re-Rank 1-136\nafter Week 13
Brigham Young was among the teams moving up in this week's USA TODAY Sports NCAA Re-Rank 1-136 after results from Week 13.
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The 9 teams we beat have combined winning % of 39.8% and the team's we lost to have a 39.4% winning %. Check my math as I did this on my phone but we have not played a single good team. Best record we faced is 6-5
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That is why we need a KRACH ranking to assess whom UConn would stand a chance against.
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Interesting but you play the teams that are on your schedule. And most of them were scheduled 3-5 years ago. And we beat 9 of them. The only late addition was BC to replace UMass and if you tell me you thought they would be this bad, I know you are not telling the truth. Like everyone else you thought we replaced a sure win with at best a tough game.
We don’t need RPI. We don’t need any other nonsense mathematical model. We played a 12 game season on the field and went 9-3.
We don’t need RPI. We don’t need any other nonsense mathematical model. We played a 12 game season on the field and went 9-3.
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I'm too lazy to do it, but I'd like to see someone take teams 40-60 and list their three best wins.
I think our fan base would be surprised how few quality wins there are amongst teams once you get outside the top 30-35.
And then do the reverse. Take teams 40-60 and list their three worse losses.
I think our fan base would be surprised how few quality wins there are amongst teams once you get outside the top 30-35.
And then do the reverse. Take teams 40-60 and list their three worse losses.
Not sure if conference rpi is till a thing but here it is
UConn's index is 23.90 with SOS 219 and ND is 44.72 with SOS 39. Puts UConn in 7th place in the ACC
UConn's index is 23.90 with SOS 219 and ND is 44.72 with SOS 39. Puts UConn in 7th place in the ACC
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A good bowl opponent and a win can get us to 25.#41 this week in the USA Today rank. Up 3 spots.
BYU, Texas rise in college football's NCAA Re-Rank 1-136\nafter Week 13
Brigham Young was among the teams moving up in this week's USA TODAY Sports NCAA Re-Rank 1-136 after results from Week 13.
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Well, OK, but if you are trying to figure out which P4 teams might be within reason beatable by UConn, you can't assume UConn's 9-3 is equivalent to any P4's 9-3 which is what you are implying. The P4 teams UConn might knock off will finish more like 6-6. And about half of those could spank UConn without question. That is where mathematics could be useful.
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As we’ve seen bowls are a crapshoot. Especially for P4 teams it’s more about who shows up. Remember Florida State going to the bowl 12-0 then basically having to start the bowling team after so many guys went to the portal or sat out for the NFL draft. I think they lost by 60 or so. Often one team wants to be there and another doesn’t much care. Or worse.
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ok, I ran the same model one with a win getting a weight of 0.9 of a win and .1 loss and then the other on 0.9999 of a win and 0.0001 of a loss. UConn was ranked 75 on both, the sharper second one may have more FCS schools that are higher.
This is about where UConn was last year.
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UConn undefeated is #5 at .9999, #6 at .9995, #7 at .999, #13 at .995, #18 at .99, #38 at .95, and 52 at .9
Personally I like ((n_games-.5)/n_games) as a fudge. Can't figure out how to make it dynamic to balance for both teams... since everybody has played about 11 games, I'm going to punt in 10.5/11 so for the undefeated stuff it'll be around 38 or so.... but we aren't undefeated.
This is about where UConn was last year.
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UConn undefeated is #5 at .9999, #6 at .9995, #7 at .999, #13 at .995, #18 at .99, #38 at .95, and 52 at .9
Personally I like ((n_games-.5)/n_games) as a fudge. Can't figure out how to make it dynamic to balance for both teams... since everybody has played about 11 games, I'm going to punt in 10.5/11 so for the undefeated stuff it'll be around 38 or so.... but we aren't undefeated.
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From KRACH 64 to KRACH 80, make a choice. That is the addressable market ... uh, rather domain of feasible opponents designed for max ROI.
Somebody said JMU would kill UConn. That is what KRACH is showing. They are out of UConn's league. It shows the same for Duke on a neutral site which is probably true if you substitute beat for kill.
Somebody said JMU would kill UConn. That is what KRACH is showing. They are out of UConn's league. It shows the same for Duke on a neutral site which is probably true if you substitute beat for kill.
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Of course it is also showing Alabama would beat Florida State, UConn would whip Rice, Syracuse and Delaware, and Miami would beat up SMU and Louisville. Of course none of those things happened because football games are played on the field by actual players under wildly differering conditions.
Reminds me of 1999 when Duke won the Saragin College basketball championship. It was a huge deal. One Shining Moment Playing in the background while Jim Nance talked about how…oh wait. Duke did get the Saragin title. But UConn won the real one.
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I’ll never understand how people continue to put stock in transitive nonsense for football.
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Neither of those systems should be viewed as a predictor. Rather more a predictor of probability. Now, was Duke out of UConn's league, so to speak, when Sagarin made its ranking? I forget, but I kinda doubt it.
I am just saying that if you are betting your imminent portal success or failure on your attractiveness established by your recent W-L record, on the value proposition to prospective transfers that your program will shortly be high profile, it is very unhelpful to do a high profile face plant in a bowl game just prior. Given that, best to play the probabilities. California or Kansas look most attractive to me if we had our choice.
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I agree, but KRACH is massively aggregate.