The Athletic on Edsall

[metsfan2323]

His employee who bailed him out of a jam by taking peanuts

LOL, Edsall "better win some games this go around" but he doesn't make enough money? You are a piece of work.

 

[whaler11]

You continue to prove my point. At one time you claimed to be an Edsall "apologista" or whatever the term was, now you don't like the hire. Like I said you will take any position as long as it apposes AD Dave. You are all over the map, which might qualify you to be President of the United States but makes you a lousy fan IMO.

I was an Edsall apolgosta - there are thousands of posts - I don’t have to claim anything. It’s a fact. It doesn’t make Edsall ‘excellent’.

That I respect the job Edsall did here the first time doesn’t mean he doesn’t have to win during round 2.

The hire was uninspiring at the time and the jury is still out.

None of this is ‘all over the map’:

Benedict didn’t need to say the dumb crap he said and Benedict shouldn’t cry poverty because he set the money on fire.

I guess I’m a bad fan because I think leadership should be held accountable.

The Wilpons must love you.

 

[whaler11]

LOL, Edsall "better win some games this go around" but he doesn't make enough money? You are a piece of work.

Christ you are stupid.

I didn’t say he doesn’t make enough money dipstick.

I said that Benedict shouldn’t cry he can’t pay coaches because he wasted all the money and can’t figure out how to generate revenue.

Benedict might be a little more respectful in the national media towards Edsall since he couldn’t hire anyone remotely qualified for what he pays him.

You should put me back on ignore because just seeing my name makes you post nonsense.

 

[metsfan2323]

The hire was uninspiring at the time and the jury is still out.

THEN HE IS BEING PAID EXACTLY WHAT HE SHOULD BE PAID. Like I said you are all over the place. Stop on yourself.

 

[whaler11]

THEN HE IS BEING PAID EXACTLY WHAT HE SHOULD BE PAID. Like I said you are all over the place. Stop on yourself.

I hope you are enjoying the argument with yourself about what Edsall should be paid.

Maybe if you argue with yourself you’ll finally win one.

*fingers crossed*

psst it seems all over the place because you lack any and all reading comprehension.

 

[Hornet22]

I was also struck by the implied rationale the author gave for our relatively low number of 2019 offers. Edsall has spoken against the practice of “non-committable” offers, so if we offer we really think you are a good fit for the program and we really want you. This also fits the “tough love player’s coach” narrative.

I agree with him. The marketplace is flooded with non commitable offers and extra stars are given to players because of them. So from the outside looking in if a kid has 20 plus offers you assume he’s good because other coaches have offered.

 

[Stainmaster]

All AD Dave has done in just two years on the job is bring excellent coaching back to Football and Basketball. How a supposed "Fan" can find fault in that is beyond my comprehension.

The UCONN stalker who started this thread has been on a personal fatwa against AD Dave since the Orlovsky "idiot" comment came out in December. That was his springboard for non-stop criticism of the AD. Notice how he constantly criticizes frothy athletic department spending while simultaneously criticizing the "low pay" of our football coaches. Obviously he will find fault in anything and everything. The AD will always be wrong. In this thread the AD is now being criticized for saying our athletes are being compensated enough. Given that the athletic department currently operates at a substantial net loss I think most would agree with the AD.

Keep on stalking J-A-C-K-A-S-S.

Dave hamstrung the department by extending Diaco and Ollie of his own volition. That and getting suckered into including those huge buyouts are objectively terrible moves. It's clear you have some personal connection to him that causes you to become highly emotional in defending him.

 

[Hornet22]

He didn't screw up a guy who seemed to want to hire himself. He does have that going for him. Stain isn't wrong - he's on fire to get out of here.

I mean a program that is completely forgotten.... gets a big national outlet to write a puff piece and he completely contradicts the football coach who did him a favor coming for below market value.

Who does that?

I agree with you here

 

[metsfan2323]

Dave hamstrung the department by extending Diaco and Ollie of his own volition. That and getting suckered into including those huge buyouts are objectively terrible moves. It's clear you have some personal connection to him that causes you to become highly emotional in defending him.

Here's a quote from the Courant that might interest you:

"Asked Monday about the process that led to his signing a five-year, $9.5 million contract through the 2020 season, Uconn Football coach Bob Diaco said only, "The conversations started on Dec. 3."

That's when UCONN President Susan Herbst and then-athletic director Warde Manuel broached the topic."

Clearly Warde and Susan were extending Diaco long before anyone heard of Bennedict and I have a hunch that Ollie's extension wasn't drawn up on AD Dave's laptop either.

I have been posting in this forum since 2006 and I have no connection to anybody at UCONN, I'm just a UCONN sports fan, nothing more than that.

 

[noeynox]

I get the point about Benedict needing to keep his trap shut, but why get his perspective on it anyway?

Randy Edsall has proven time and again he is a self serving guy. When at Maryland he publicly stated the P5 should stop playing the G5. Now he says the G5 deserves a spot in the playoff. I won't even touch on his comments about the fans his first go round here, the same fans he's now asking to come back.

I respect what he did here, but read that article this morning and couldn't help to think about his hypocritical stances on things at times.

 

[Stainmaster]

Clearly Warde and Susan were extending Diaco long before anyone heard of Bennedict and I have a hunch that Ollie's extension wasn't drawn up on AD Dave's laptop either.

According to people in Warde's office, this is not true.

 

[metsfan2323]

According to people in Warde's office, this is not true.

You have a quote? or are you claiming to know someone in Warde's office.? Diaco's quote speaks volumes, I highly doubt he was lying.

 

[Stainmaster]

You have a quote? or are you claiming to know someone in Warde's office.? Diaco's quote speaks volumes, I highly doubt he was lying.

Tell me more about how honest of a guy you perceive Bob Diaco to be...

 

[uconndogs]

Edsall was an excellent hire given where the program was and the resources available. Benedict made a sound business decision.

Whether he and Benedict get along is speculation. It probably doesn’t even matter all that much.

 

[uconndogs]

Tell me more about how honest of a guy you perceive Bob Diaco to be...

I don’t think Diaco grasped reality, so I doubt he had the ability to even assess truth.

 

[Scrutineer]

Just conjecture on my part, but it seems Benedict owns a major part of the current financial dilemma UConn is in.

Whether or not either of the former coaches' extensions were initiated before he signed on, he had to approve and sign the final contracts and they were very generous in their buyout clauses for coaches not named Calhoun or Auriemma. In fact, I wonder what their buyout clauses provided.

Does anyone know if either Benedict or Herbst has faced a reporter's question about the contractual terms for the two departed coaches?

 

[Hornet22]

Christ you are stupid.

I didn’t say he doesn’t make enough money dipstick.

I said that Benedict shouldn’t cry he can’t pay coaches because he wasted all the money and can’t figure out how to generate revenue.

Benedict might be a little more respectful in the national media towards Edsall since he couldn’t hire anyone remotely qualified for what he pays him.

You should put me back on ignore because just seeing my name makes you post nonsense.

Whoa! Someone made you repeat yourself several times. Didn’t think that was remotely possible.
I think most agree with your point which does make sense.
I will say that Edsall’s career record that you quoted could be given a little latitude as the Maryland situation was a bad decision on his part. I don’t think it was bad coaching as much as just a bad fit for his style and sense of accountability that he demands from players. He wasn’t there long enough to turnover that roster with his type of guys

 

[Stray_Dog]

Tell me more about how honest of a guy you perceive Bob Diaco to be...

Now I don’t think any of us think he is not lying or rather incapable of lying. But when he lies it’s obvious, so obvious that the BS meter hits orbit. My point Bob Diaco’s Best lie came in high school while sitting in “shop”, reference - “The Brekfeasr Club” here, when he said the dog ate his homework - not from “The Brekfeast Club”

 

[pepband99]

UConn coach Randy Edsall has something to say

I love that this athletic department can’t even get a good story about the coach written without the AD saying the exact opposite.

I love Benedict’s reasoning. I loved Southern Utah so you guys can all eat poop.

Between Corey, the ticket price stuff and this - is there any way these guys don’t hate each other?

Yes, because managers and subordinates never have this conversation every single day. Employee wants money. Manager says no. It’s really no more complicated.

You keep being you, though, whaler.

 

[whaler11]

Yes, because managers and subordinates never have this conversation every single day. Employee wants money. Manager says no. It’s really no more complicated.

You keep being you, though, whaler.

You and your ilk are so unwilling to hold leadership accountable for what they do and say it’s a facinating view into the Stockholm Syndrome you suffer from.

Let me know when you find a national media puff story on a coach where the athletic director is in the story saying the exact opposite.

To liken it to an employee privately asking for a raise is hilarious - but when you are tasked with trying to defend ridiculous comments you may as well say anything I guess.

 

[pepband99]

You and your ilk are so unwilling to hold leadership accountable for what they do and say it’s a facinating view into the Stockholm Syndrome you suffer from.

Let me know when you find a national media puff story on a coach where the athletic director is in the story saying the exact opposite.

To liken it to an employee privately asking for a raise is hilarious - but when you are tasked with trying to defend ridiculous comments you may as well say anything I guess.

Keep digging.

Any coach who publicly acknowledges he’s for player compensation is against his AD.

...but because one reporter bothered to ask the AD his thoughts on the subject, there must be undying hate between only our AD and coach, because you say so.

 

[whaler11]

Keep digging.

Any coach who publicly acknowledges he’s for player compensation is against his AD.

...but because one reporter bothered to ask the AD his thoughts on the subject, there must be undying hate between only our AD and coach, because you say so.

Ignore the obvious all you like. There are a half dozen things that make it clear.

Maybe you should try and follow how competent athletic departments operate and that would help provide context.

“I would have played for free”. LOL.

 

[pepband99]

Ignore the obvious all you like. There are a half dozen things that make it clear.

Maybe you should try and follow how competent athletic departments operate and that would help provide context.

“I would have played for free”. LOL.

You mean like “Corey” you cited, which has -1000% to do with Benedict?

If anything, you could just as easily argue that edsall doesn’t have the best history of getting along with AD’s. Either way, in this case, it’s all noise.

 

[whaler11]

You mean like “Corey” you cited, which has -1000% to do with Benedict?

If anything, you could just as easily argue that edsall doesn’t have the best history of getting along with AD’s. Either way, in this case, it’s all noise.

The fact that the school couldn’t get Corey done had nothing to do with Benedict?

Okey dokey.

Again - I’d suggest monitoring a functioning athletic department for some context.

 

[CL82]

I mean a program that is completely forgotten.... gets a big national outlet to write a puff piece and he completely contradicts the football coach who did him a favor coming for below market value.

Who does that?

The AD of a university to whom pay for play would mean the death of big time athletics?

The fact that the school couldn’t get Corey done had nothing to do with Benedict?

Some, I guess, but it had a lot more to do with the overreach of an state ethics committee.

 

[freescooter]

All he had to say was positive things about Edsall. Could have even said the math is tougher outside the Big Ten and SEC but we are paying the kids the $2,800.

He went full: I would have paid to play at Southern Utah.

His employee who bailed him out of a jam by taking peanuts had a very positive piece written about him... and he completely contradicts him for no reason other to do it?

Edsall had to fix the Corey law himself. Edsall got sick of waiting on ticket prices and announced it himself. Benedict couldn’t stand to let this piece be written without a complete contradiction on Edsall’s stance?

And people accuse me of being a jerk for pointing it out? L-O-L.

What the heck...? The official position of the university and the NCAA is that we won’t pay players. The coach says he thinks you should so what do you want the AD to say? He didn’t attack Edsall. He didn’t say he was out of line even. He merely respectfully disagreed and mentioned his own experience which frankly is not that different from a whole lot of college athletes. I did pay to compete for UConn. My kids paid to compete for their schools. My nephew was all A10 and paid to play soccer at UMass. We all did it because we loved our sports or the competition or the comraderie and frankly the life lessons. If there is a jerk in this discussion I suspect is the guy named for a defunct hockey club.

 

[whaler11]

What the heck...? The official position of the university and the NCAA is that we won’t pay players. The coach says he thinks you should so what do you want the AD to say? He didn’t attack Edsall. He didn’t say he was out of line even. He merely respectfully disagreed and mentioned his own experience which frankly is not that different from a whole lot of college athletes. I did pay to compete for UConn. My kids paid to compete for their schools. My nephew was all A10 and paid to play soccer at UMass. We all did it because we loved our sports or the competition or the comraderie and frankly the life lessons. If there is a jerk in this discussion I suspect is the guy named for a defunct hockey club.

I’m not sure what is so hard about all this.

A program that gets zero national attention gets a realitively prestigeous outlet writing a positive piece on the coach and his boss is in the story going completely over the top in his dissention with the coach’s platform.q

You’d do that to a subordinate? You’d take that from your boss? A boss who you bailed out of something like his Diaco mess?

Nobody gives a flying crap about you not getting a scholarship for running through the woods. It has nothing to do with any of this - you might notice the lack of national media pieces about you or your coach as a start.

 

[CL82]

I’m not sure what is so hard about all this.

A program that gets zero national attention gets a realitively prestigeous outlet writing a positive piece on the coach and his boss is in the story going completely over the top in his dissention with the coach’s platform.q

You’d do that to a subordinate? You’d take that from your boss? A boss who you bailed out of something like his Diaco mess?

Nobody gives a flying crap about you not getting a scholarship for running through the woods. It has nothing to do with any of this - you might notice the lack of national media pieces about you or your coach as a start.

Edsall has an opinion. Benedict has a different one. It's not a scandal. Get over it.

 

[champs99and04]

What the heck...? The official position of the university and the NCAA is that we won’t pay players. The coach says he thinks you should so what do you want the AD to say? He didn’t attack Edsall. He didn’t say he was out of line even. He merely respectfully disagreed and mentioned his own experience which frankly is not that different from a whole lot of college athletes. I did pay to compete for UConn. My kids paid to compete for their schools. My nephew was all A10 and paid to play soccer at UMass. We all did it because we loved our sports or the competition or the comraderie and frankly the life lessons. If there is a jerk in this discussion I suspect is the guy named for a defunct hockey club.

It's not unreasonable to disagree with Edsall, but I can see how context would matter. The anecdote about his time at Southern Utah 20 years ago makes him sound out-of-touch.

I do think it is possible to sound like an adult while siding against player compensation, but coaches and AD's tend to make it difficult with their ridiculous false equivalences. Everyone knows damn well that college football has been professionalized. To the extent that the players appear to have no leverage is what makes this difficult, not the fact that walk-on x busted his tail to become scout team linebacker. The idea that they can't profit off their likeness makes these their arguments even harder to reconcile. If I have to hear the story about Dabo Swinney sleeping with his mother one more time I am going to gauge my eyes out.

But hey, if this is all about competitive balance, why not put a cap on coaching salaries too? How about program expenses? Make Alabama use the same facilities as Yale. The hypocrisy is what's difficult to stomach more so than the model itself.

 

[Nostical]

I'm reading lots of faux outrage on this issue. Edsall supports paying players. Benedict doesn't. Rather than seeing this as an AD undercutting his coach in one of the few national stories about UConn football, I see it as providing Edsall with a platform for even more media attention down the road. I can't imagine a future panel discussion on the issue not including him. And there's a bonus if his point of view is perceived by his players as having their backs. But the debate has two sides. Most Presidents and AD's believe players shouldn't be paid and advocating for paying players is tantamount to financial suicide for too many institutions. Then there are the many legal dilemmas of dealing with Title IX, non-revenue sports, starters vs reserves, and the "employee" designation (imagine the Worker's Comp premium!). Bottom line, I respect Edsall for advocating a controversial position. I also commend Benedict for representing his own (and his institution's) point of view. Both of them were genuine.That's what matters. Now let's win some games.