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BigErnMcCracken said:
It's cute how some of you get so exercised sticking up for poor Ray.

Incidentally, a self-serving quote from the player himself about how he felt unloved is hardly a "fact."

Ray made a move that he felt was best for him. End of story. The idea that he was treated any differently than any other professional athlete is dumb. They tried to move him? Big deal, Pierce was on the block dozens of times and he put in a hell of a lot more sweat equity than Ray.

Ray ended up where he wanted. The ONLY people still talking about how his tenure in Boston ended (and getting it wrong) are his self-appointed internet bodyguards on the Boneyard.

I'm sure pointing out the obvious means I'm "butt hurt."
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I have a lot of respect for your opinions, but you missed the mark here.

Boston sports fans have a real problem with understanding the line between business and loyalty. It's not just Ray Allen. The list of pros who lead Boston teams to glory only to be thrown under the bus when the glory ends is embarrassingly long. There is no city that is more self-absorbed, spoiled, and entitled. Believe it.
 
Huskies4ever said:
I have no loyalty to an NBA franchise. Just my former Huskies. I didn't like the Heat. Now RayRay is on the team. So...........
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Exactly how I operate. Never really had a team growing up so now I just follow and support our guys.
 
amory said:
This is BS. I love Ray but I also love the Celtics and Ray was not pushed out the door at all. The Celtics offered him twice as much money as the Heat did and a freaking no trade clause which only about 3 other players in the entire NBA have. And he still left to join the team he couldn't beat. Celtics fans had a reason to be pissed.

Get some facts, and come back and see me.
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My best advice to you is, shut up.
 
amory said:
I seriously wish someone would try to "chase me out the door" by offering me $12 million over 2 years with a no trade clause.

That would be like the best day ever.
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Don't throw out salaries and other things.
 
Did someone really ask if Bostonians turned on Damon after he left? Wow! They were brutal. Remember the shirts "Looks like throws like Mary, acts like Judas". For reasons that have mystified psychologists for decades, Boston fans always feel victimized by the athlete who leaves no matter how crappy the ownership treats the athlete.

And Ray is the best NBA Husky!
 
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David 76 said:
Did someone really ask if Bostonians turned on Damon after he left? Wow!
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Oh I know they turned, I just didn't know the degree to which as it compared to the way they've treated Ray since he left. I see that painting at the Garden with Ray's face blacked out every day, and it's just so terribly symbolic of people's feelings of him and how now he's just been discarded and means less than nothing to them after what he's done for the city. Erasing a face from the memory of a champion team is something I can barely fathom, except MAYBE in Yanks/Sox stuff (not that that makes it excusable). That's why I asked about Damon.
 
David 76 said:
Did someone really ask if Bostonians turned on Damon after he left? Wow! They were brutal. Remember the shirts "Looks like throws like Mary, acts like Judas". For reasons that have mystified psychologists for decades, Boston fans always feel victimized by the athlete who leaves no matter how crappy the ownership treats the athlete.

And Ray is the best NBA Husky!
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"Looks like throws like Mary, acts like Judas". Maybe the best shirt ever.
 
Rocktheworld said:
Sweeeeeetness. I rooted for the Celtics when they won the title and liked the team, but was shocked how butthurt EVERYONE in Boston was about Ray leaving as he was basically being pushed out the door. I hope this hurts.
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Because he went to the #1 team the former team wouldn't want him to go to. We can keep on doing this, but choosing in free agency to go to Miami would be like a yankee or sox player going to the other as a free agent. Yes its his decision, it doesn't make him evil, but it is not akin to pierce and KG ending up in Brooklyn. its completely different, anyone who says "how could anyone get angry with him" isn't paying attention.

If Ollie wanted 5mil a year and UConn wouldn't give it to him, and he went to Duke to be an assistant coach to take over for coach K in the future, would you be peeved?
 
huskypantz said:
Why did they bring Terry onboard? Ray knew his time was going to decline with the effort to develop Bradley and Terry's minutes. He saw the writing on the wall. Plus would you rather play for a team where the young gun (Rondo) is dismissive of you or a rival team where the current best player in the world is actively trying to recruit you? Doc, Pierce and KG all got out of dodge soon after.
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"he saw the writing on the wall" so he went to Miami who had a handful of 3 pt shooters....


The celtics bring in Terry, just building the bench and that should make a hall of famer tuck his tail between his legs and march off to his #1 rival on that former team? Grow a damn spine and some competitive nature. If he went to the heat and the heat had literally no one else who could shoot a 3, fine, but they had Mike Miller literally filling the 3 pt threat role the year he went there...
 
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superjohn said:
I almost always see people talk about El-Amin like he was the best player on the 1999 championship team and some even put him ahead of Rip on the all-time Husky list. I realize El-Amin took us over the hump and was an extremely important Husky but there is really no comparison, Rip was by far the best player on that team and proved in the tournament he was the best player in the country.
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John,
Who are these idiots? I think anyone knowledgeable here feels Rip was definitely the best player on that team and certainly a better all time Husky. I not sure where you're getting this from.
 
I never got all the anger towards Ray on this. It was pretty clear to me that the Celtics didn't really want him back, and that the offer was more a way to save face with the fans. It was good money, but it was late.

As a Celtics fan living in Boston, it didn't bother me one bit. It was very clear that the 2012 was the last year of that window: when LeBron downed the Cs in Game 6 in Boston, I was pretty sure that was the end of the line, and so rebuilding was the best option.
 
Rocktheworld said:
Is there a table with cushions on the seats for all the butthurt people?
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Off course we all know of the longstanding Celtics-Heat rivalry!

Don't expect Boston fans to ever admit their team had any part of a good player leaving. They might agree to that about Babe Ruth (ownership saw him as a "problem" and his homers as "superfluous) But ask about Ray Allen, Carlton Fisk, Ellsbury, Wade Boggs, Roger Clemens etc. and you here a bunch of defensive whining and insulting the player.

Yankees almost lost Bernie Williams to the Sox. I would have still loved Bernie and blamed Yankee management. Same thing when Cashman jerked Jeter around or Donny baseball didn't get the ending he deserved from the Yankees. Most Boston fans just can't see these things
 
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David 76 said:
Off course we all know of the longstanding Celtics-Heat rivalry!
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Seriously, Boston fans just cannot handle losing. You see it how they treat the Heat, as you sarcastically mock, like they're rivals, just because the Heat have beat them.

I honestly think Pats fans hate the Giants more than the Broncos or anyone in the AFC East. I feel like I'd get better reactions from fans in Boston if I said I was a Dolphins fan than the reactions I get when I say I grew up a Giant fan.
 
A lot of experts on boston sports fandom in this thread saying a lot of things that are pretty detached from reality.

Yeah, I wonder if the city will ever get over its collective anger at jacoby ellsbury leaving town. You could see how furious they were in the tepid, polite applause he got when the Yankees came to town.
 
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Maybe Ray could have gone elsewhere, but he had no obligation to Boston. If anything Boaton fans should still love Ray bc without him there is no Garnett in a Celts uniform and no chance at a championship let alone actually winning one.

Now throw in the fact that the Celts don't get close to winning an actual championship without his production and spacing and it's beyond silly how Celtics fans view Ray.

They should love him for what he did there, instead many act like he was some cancer. It's beyond silly.
 
What's beyond silly is that UConn fans are the only people still talking about this. And they are the ones who hyperventilate about other people being "butthurt."
 
BigErnMcCracken said:
What's beyond silly is that UConn fans are the only people still talking about this. And they are the ones who hyperventilate about other people being "butthurt."
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I think it is really about two things:

First, KG and PP don't talk to Ray anymore. (I hadn't heard that PP won't talk to Ray either until I read it yesterday, not sure if its accurate) That kind of prolongs the whole thing and it is pretty immature. Ray was fully willing to be friendly with them and approached them at the first opportunity. I don't care, just saying that whenever it comes up, which it has this week due to the playoff series, people are going to pick sides.

Second, there are just a lot of UConn fans that hate the Celtics. CT is pretty evenly divided between NY and Boston fans so half of all UConn fans probably hate the Celtics to begin with. That adds fuel to the fire.
 
caw said:
Maybe Ray could have gone elsewhere, but he had no obligation to Boston. If anything Boaton fans should still love Ray bc without him there is no Garnett in a Celts uniform and no chance at a championship let alone actually winning one.

Now throw in the fact that the Celts don't get close to winning an actual championship without his production and spacing and it's beyond silly how Celtics fans view Ray.

They should love him for what he did there, instead many act like he was some cancer. It's beyond silly.
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No one acts like he was a cancer. This discussion has gotten beyond ridiculous.

Celtics fans have grown to HATE the Lebron era Heat. An aging Big 3 took them to 7 games (and damn near won game 7 in Miami). We brought in JET to try to help us get one more shot at them and Ray pulled the basketball equivalent of a wrestler turning heel. Fans were pissed. Paul Pierce and KG were pissed too, and I think the fanbase fed off that. Then there was all the crap coming out about how Ray left because he didn't like Rondo. Here's the thing: Celtic fans really like Rajon Rondo. So then that added more fuel to it.

The Celtic fanbase isn't the UConn fanbase where Ray Allen can do no wrong. But even so, it's not like Boston media is still bashing Ray Allen. And I was there for his first game back in the Garden. It was probably a 60/40 ratio of boos to cheers. He's not exactly universally disliked.
 
Huskies4ever said:
I have no loyalty to an NBA franchise. Just my former Huskies. I didn't like the Heat. Now RayRay is on the team. So...........
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That was my problem too. Love Ray. Hate the Heat. When he went there, I was pretty torn up. So...I asked Donny Marshall to talk me down off that fence. He confirmed that Ray was shafted by the Celtic organization. Bottom line. Still can't watch him in a Heat uniform...
 
Kembacity said:
Because he went to the #1 team the former team wouldn't want him to go to. We can keep on doing this, but choosing in free agency to go to Miami would be like a yankee or sox player going to the other as a free agent. Yes its his decision, it doesn't make him evil, but it is not akin to pierce and KG ending up in Brooklyn. its completely different, anyone who says "how could anyone get angry with him" isn't paying attention.

If Ollie wanted 5mil a year and UConn wouldn't give it to him, and he went to Duke to be an assistant coach to take over for coach K in the future, would you be peeved?
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Ollie is born and bred UConn
Both Damon and Allen got to Boston Via free agency.
It seems signing with Boston is similar to going to the Crossroads.
 
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