The ACC could get torn apart here

[LRock34]

When the music stops Ville and Cinci will be left out unfortunately. Solid programs with nice local followings but this is about flag ship State Universities at this point and neither of those schools fit the profile. If you live in KY you are a UK fan unless you went to or live in Ville. The same is true for Cinci vs OSU.

 

[HuskyHawk]

The NBE nightmare is Louisville to the B12 and UConn to the ACC. Basketball would be just as well off creating a new Metro Conference.

You think there is still a NBE? Seriously? It's over and done. The Catholic schools are going to split and make a nice offer to some schools to form a Catholic league. GTown, Nova, PC, St. Johns, SH, Depaul, Marquette, Xavier, Duquesne, St, Joes, maybe more. Creighton and St. Louis U would be great adds. That's a heck of a good 12 team league.

Boise, SDSU and maybe SMU will be in the MWC. The Florida schools are back in CUSA with Memphis and Houston. Louisville needs to beg harder for the Big XII. Cincy is the most screwed of them all, and needs to decide between CUSA and the MAC.

If the Big XII doesn't ring the bell for UL, it's possible that they could stick with USF and UCF, Memphis, Cincy, Boise, SDSU and go after the best of the rest, Tulsa, maybe Louisiana Tech etc.

 

[businesslawyer]

If I hear we're going to the ACC what I feel will probably be a lot closer to relief than happiness. Do I want to be a part of it, not particularly. I'd have preferred to stay at last year's version of the BE, but since that's out the window, the ACC is much better than the NNNBE v3.0. Personally I'm worried that the ACC will go after Louisville before us. Every conference move in the last few years has been about expanding one's geographic footprint and we don't do that for the ACC.

Yes, we do. We expand it to control Connecticut, and to help it fight for a greater share of NYC.

 

[tzznandrew]

Yes, we do. We expand it to control Connecticut, and to help it fight for a greater share of NYC.

NYC is exactly why UConn should be the choice. Syracuse, UConn, and Notre Dame have a strong pull in NYC. Not as much as the combo of Penn State, Rutgers, Michigan, and Ohio State, but enough to significantly compete.

Also, New England really does get locked up, not that Boston is such a big college sports market.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

MHVer3 is predicting that there will be several more departures from the ACC within a week, including Virginia and Georgia Tech to the Big 10. At least he isn't hedging.

 

[tzznandrew]

MHVer3 is predicting that there will be several more departures from the ACC within a week, including Virginia and Georgia Tech to the Big 10. At least he isn't hedging.

Yea, I read that. I doubt it...at least the GT. I could possibly see Virginia if and only if Virginia Tech is jumping to the SEC. I'm really not buying it. I do think that the $50M is enough to stop other schools. Most don't have a donor like Maryland, and all but FSU voted for the exit fee.

 

[EdgewoodNHV]

MHVer3 is predicting that there will be several more departures from the ACC within a week, including Virginia and Georgia Tech to the Big 10. At least he isn't hedging.

Hasn't he been terribly wrong in the past?

 

[Jimdish255]

Yes, we do. We expand it to control Connecticut, and to help it fight for a greater share of NYC.

I was confused about that statement as well. Sorry had to take a break from this and clean my oven that's why I'm so late! Now can I go have lunch? Never should have taken this week off!

 

[mattp]

Yes, we do. We expand it to control Connecticut, and to help it fight for a greater share of NYC.

We fill in the footprint a bit, but UofL would theoretically push it to the Mississippi River.

I really hate what's happening to college athletics. I only know 2 Maryland fans and they're pretty pissed about moving to the B1G mainly due to basketball. All of these changes are happening for the money, but almost every AD is still running in the red and they've managed to piss off a lot of fans in the process. Is it really worth it?

 

[businesslawyer]

We fill in the footprint a bit, but UofL would theoretically push it to the Mississippi River.

I really hate what's happening to college athletics. I only know 2 Maryland fans and they're pretty pissed about moving to the B1G mainly due to basketball. All of these changes are happening for the money, but almost every AD is still running in the red and they've managed to piss off a lot of fans in the process. Is it really worth it?

To answer that, you have to ask "is it worth it for whom?" Yes, it is worth it to the AD administrators, because the greater their top liens the more money they make. Is it worth it for the school itself? Of course not. Everyone makes money money, so everyone spends more money, and all that happens is the coaches and administrators make more money and the players have bigger TVs in their locker rooms.

 

[The Funster]

We fill in the footprint a bit, but UofL would theoretically push it to the Mississippi River.

I really hate what's happening to college athletics. I only know 2 Maryland fans and they're pretty pissed about moving to the B1G mainly due to basketball. All of these changes are happening for the money, but almost every AD is still running in the red and they've managed to piss off a lot of fans in the process. Is it really worth it?

Yeah, I don't ever want to hear about the "tradition" of college athletics. "Tradition" is pretty far down the list.

 

[upstater]

To answer that, you have to ask "is it worth it for whom?" Yes, it is worth it to the AD administrators, because the greater their top liens the more money they make. Is it worth it for the school itself? Of course not. Everyone makes money money, so everyone spends more money, and all that happens is the coaches and administrators make more money and the players have bigger TVs in their locker rooms.

This just isn't true. I agree the coaches make more money, but we're talking $5 mill for coaches in $80 mill budgets. If you got a hold of coach's pay somehow, it still wouldn't dent expenditures that much.

Yes ridiculous players' lounges are huge expenditures, but so is recruiting, Title 9, and especially new stadiums. That's where the real money sink is. Stadiums.

 

[businesslawyer]

This just isn't true. I agree the coaches make more money, but we're talking $5 mill for coaches in $80 mill budgets. If you got a hold of coach's pay somehow, it still wouldn't dent expenditures that much.

Yes ridiculous players' lounges are huge expenditures, but so is recruiting, Title 9, and especially new stadiums. That's where the real money sink is. Stadiums.

Don't disagree. But most of this money is just wasted -- everyone spends more than they need to in order to compete with others spending more than they need to.

 

[mattp]

The only winner in an arms race is the arms dealers, and that's what CFB has become. Meanwhile we're in our metaphoric bomb shelter hoping we have football to watch next year. One thing I'll say about the latest round of conference expansion, it shifted conversations away from how lousy our coaches are, and for that I am thankful. Hopefully this Thursday I can add that our conference limbo has been settled onto my list.

 

[upstater]

Don't disagree. But most of this money is just wasted -- everyone spends more than they need to in order to compete with others spending more than they need to.

Yes, it is a waste. And you're run that exponential increases haven't put these schools on sound footing. So they continue to keep up with the Jones's. Which explains why Rutgers spent $120 million on a stadium, while it sank 25 spots in the USNWR rankings, likely because all the people making the reputational ranks knew quite well the academic side as imploding. Meanwhile, Syracuse gets tossed out of the AAU (after its budget increased 3-fold in 15 years) while Boston U. got added to the AAU (after nixing football 15 years ago).

Football and sports are great to have--if your school isn't imploding around them.

 

[Marty Jackson]

Add in also a basketball-only like Georgetown/Nova/St. John's leaving to the ACC to even out the basketball numbers once they take UL/UConn.

right... the hybrid worked so well for the big east... with ND, the ACC would be best served to follow that model.
As much as I would like to play nova and g'town, they are bb onlies and only serve to weaken a conference (ie Big East).

 

[businesslawyer]

right... the hybrid worked so well for the big east... with ND, the ACC would be best served to follow that model.
As much as I would like to play nova and g'town, they are bb onlies and only serve to weaken a conference (ie Big East).

There is still not a shred of evidence that the basketball onlies weakened the Big East. In fact, all the evidence points to the contrary.

What killed the Big East is that the northeast cares less about college football than the rest of the country. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[tzznandrew]

right... the hybrid worked so well for the big east... with ND, the ACC would be best served to follow that model.
As much as I would like to play nova and g'town, they are bb onlies and only serve to weaken a conference (ie Big East).

Two things:
1. I think your implication is wrong about the ultimate cause of the BE's death.
2. Answer the question: "Add to what"? My point was that such a move would be an even worse scenario than the current one for the Big East.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Don't disagree. But most of this money is just wasted -- everyone spends more than they need to in order to compete with others spending more than they need to.

Exactly. None of this makes any sense in a sane world. Ultimately all these $ are consumed by the athletics department. Sports are really nothing more than advertising.

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[Marty Jackson]

There is still not a shred of evidence that the basketball onlies weakened the Big East. In fact, all the evidence points to the contrary.

What killed the Big East is that the northeast cares less about college football than the rest of the country. Nothing more, nothing less.

disagree completely... The bbb onlies brought a different agenda to the table. there were constant disagreements between the fb and bb schools in terms of any decision making. When the BE was trying to save the league, Marinato floated Villanova as a potential fb addition. The remaining FB schools at the time had enough.
Since 2003 there has been more than enough evidence to suggest the fb and bb schools did not always see eye to eye. Do you really think that strengthens a conference, having multiple agendas.
Also, the BE wasn't dealing with ND from a position of strength. And, it's quite likely, neither is the ACC. The ACC is amazingly following the Big East down the drain... And ND will eventually join the Big10 when that happens, just as easily as they left the BE for the ACC...
Best think the ACC could do is give ND the ultimatum now...