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storrsroars said:
I read through the first five pages of that thread. And for all the "dumb Mississippi" jokes, in general the posters had better spelling and grammar than the typical BE forum, including this one.

Anyway, Diaco worked with Balis at Virginia, so seems BD has already proved himself able to get "his guys" regardless of what WM says or thinks.
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What does WM say or think in regard to Diaco's ability to get "his guys"?
 
FfldCntyFan said:
What does WM say or think in regard to Diaco's ability to get "his guys"?
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Simply noting that unless there's something we're not hearing, Diaco had to make a case for removing a guy with a great reputation - and part of some championships - in order to get a new guy he worked with in the past (Virginia).

If you've ever been in a management position where you had to let go an employee without cause because of an internal shakeup, it's not fun. You don't do it just "for change". Somebody had to make a compelling argument to do so. In this case, that's BD.
 
storrsroars said:
Simply noting that unless there's something we're not hearing, Diaco had to make a case for removing a guy with a great reputation - and part of some championships - in order to get a new guy he worked with in the past (Virginia).

If you've ever been in a management position where you had to let go an employee without cause because of an internal shakeup, it's not fun. You don't do it just "for change". Somebody had to make a compelling argument to do so. In this case, that's BD.
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I doubt Martin is gone just from Diaco wanting his guy. I imagine it was just time, due to many little factors.
 
I have no problem with this at all. The new guy was said to have changed "twigs" to "redwoods" at his last stop. Sounds like the old guy wasn't all in with the new broom.
 
Waquoit said:
I have no problem with this at all. The new guy was said to have changed "twigs" to "redwoods" at his last stop. Sounds like the old guy wasn't all in with the new broom.
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Reading the MSU forum, apparently MSU was the 4th "biggest" team in the SEC. But they also had a lot of injuries. That's about as far as I got reading.
 
storrsroars said:
Simply noting that unless there's something we're not hearing, Diaco had to make a case for removing a guy with a great reputation - and part of some championships - in order to get a new guy he worked with in the past (Virginia).

If you've ever been in a management position where you had to let go an employee without cause because of an internal shakeup, it's not fun. You don't do it just "for change". Somebody had to make a compelling argument to do so. In this case, that's BD.
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Once I got to the point, Corporation-wise, where I was working under an Employment Contract, it was very easy to fire me. Wording was, "for any reason or no reason at all." That was offset, obviously, by financial considerations which kicked in unless I was guilty of "gross negligence." Pretty typical, from what I understand.
 
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storrsroars said:
Simply noting that unless there's something we're not hearing, Diaco had to make a case for removing a guy with a great reputation - and part of some championships - in order to get a new guy he worked with in the past (Virginia).

If you've ever been in a management position where you had to let go an employee without cause because of an internal shakeup, it's not fun. You don't do it just "for change". Somebody had to make a compelling argument to do so. In this case, that's BD.
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It would have been nice if you made it a bit clearer that you were guessing instead of framing it as if Diaco strong armed Manuel into canning Martin so that BD could bring in one of his guys.

I have managed people, likely for far longer than you have been an adult. I landed my first corporate supervisory position in the spring of 1985. My guess (I am framing this as speculation) is that it was WM who wanted to change things, very likely to bring in someone with far more of a football background to run the S&C show. It is also my belief that in the process of bringing in assistants WM asked Diaco if he knew anyone. WM wouldn't let Jim Calhoun force him into a decision. There is no way in hell he allows Diaco to.
 
storrsroars said:
Reading the MSU forum, apparently MSU was the 4th "biggest" team in the SEC. But they also had a lot of injuries. That's about as far as I got reading.
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That would be fourth biggest in the country, which I'm not sure is a great thing. They're going by average weight of the player. Not sure I want 275lb wide receivers.
 
FfldCntyFan said:
I have managed people, likely for far longer than you have been an adult. I landed my first corporate supervisory position in the spring of 1985. My guess (I am framing this as speculation) is that it was WM who wanted to change things, very likely to bring in someone with far more of a football background to run the S&C show. It is also my belief that in the process of bringing in assistants WM asked Diaco if he knew anyone. WM wouldn't let Jim Calhoun force him into a decision. There is no way in hell he allows Diaco to.
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You may be right, but IMO, the anecdotal evidence thus far seems to support my conclusion better. WM's comments on the change seemed a bit defensive to me.

FWIW, I had my first supervisory role in 1980. I had to fire an entire sales force at the ripe old age of 24. And then tell them to file liens if they wanted to collect their expenses since the company was going bankrupt. Not that that has anything to do with this. But that was only the first five of about 30 or so I've fired.
 
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MattMang23 said:
That would be fourth biggest in the country, which I'm not sure is a great thing. They're going by average weight of the player. Not sure I want 275lb wide receivers.
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Can they play basketball? We could use a few extra pounds there.
 
storrsroars said:
You may be right, but IMO, the anecdotal evidence thus far seems to support my conclusion better. WM's comments on the change seemed a bit defensive to me.

FWIW, I had my first supervisory role in 1980. I had to fire an entire sales force at the ripe old age of 24. And then tell them to file liens if they wanted to collect their expenses since the company was going bankrupt. Not that that has anything to do with this. But that was only the first five of about 30 or so I've fired.
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You've fired more people than I have, bravo!

I'd like to see some of the anectdotal evidence that supports your conclusion. My evidence begins with the hiring of Kevin Ollie. Again, if Warde Manuel wasn't going to let Jim Calhoun dictate terms to him there is no way in hell he would allow Bob Diaco to dictate terms.

WM wanted a change in the approach to S&C, many had suspected this for quite some time. If we hired Narduzzi, retained TJ or brought in someone else as head football coach we still would be having this discussion. It would just be a different name in charge of S&C.
 
FfldCntyFan said:
You've fired more people than I have, bravo!

I'd like to see some of the anectdotal evidence that supports your conclusion. My evidence begins with the hiring of Kevin Ollie. Again, if Warde Manuel wasn't going to let Jim Calhoun dictate terms to him there is no way in hell he would allow Bob Diaco to dictate terms.

WM wanted a change in the approach to S&C, many had suspected this for quite some time. If we hired Narduzzi, retained TJ or brought in someone else as head football coach we still would be having this discussion. It would just be a different name in charge of S&C.
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In truth, WM did let Jim Calhoun select his replacement, he just made the guy jump through some hoops first.

Why wouldn't WM support his own football hire more than he supported a retired basketball coach? Warde needs his football coach to succeed. He also wants him, if he does succeed, to stay. You don't advance either goal by denying him his desired staffing.

But I think it's likely you are correct, WM may have thought Jerry Martin's approach was better suited to other sports than football or was outdated. It is likely Diaco and Manuel were agreed on this one.
 
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FAIRTIDES said:
Once I got to the point, Corporation-wise, where I was working under an Employment Contract, it was very easy to fire me. Wording was, "for any reason or no reason at all." That was offset, obviously, by financial considerations which kicked in unless I was guilty of "gross negligence." Pretty typical, from what I understand.
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Connecticut is an Employment at Will state. Either party can terminate their association with the other for any reason. Cause only come in to play when the person tries to collect unemployment benefits. Even in a contract situation (e.g. the former "coach") termination provisions prior to the conclusion of the contracted term are spelled out. Most time that includes a buy-out clause, which also determines eligibility for post-employment benefits.

Being a contractor is different than having an employment contract. A contractor is basically akin to being self-employed and you are a vendor of the company. At the same time, the company has little input as to how you do your job, only the end result. In other words, one agree to the goals. How one achieves those goals is up to the contractor. This is just one of the rules outlined by the DOL to determine employer/employee relationship. I doubt very highly that the position of strength & conditioning coach is subject to an employment contract or can be considered a contractor.
 
Waquoit said:
Why would anyone want to live in Mississippi if you had a choice? The griping on that board over his leaving is music to my ears.
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On the coast? Sounds pretty good right now compared to our minus whatever wind chills.

That said, they've never won any football championships either, so "hey you, get off of my cloud" applies. They do play baseball pretty well.
 
HuskyHawk said:
On the coast? Sounds pretty good right now compared to our minus whatever wind chills.

That said, they've never won any football championships either, so "hey you, get off of my cloud" applies. They do play baseball pretty well.
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Starkville ain't exactly the coast of MS.

Tomorrow they're waking up to 15 degrees with a wind chill of 7. Hardly board shorts and tank top weather.

Heck, I'm less than a mile from the Gulf of Mexico and it's going to be in the mid-20's with wind chills in the low teens. Not negative but not exactly golfing weather either.
 
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Biloxi is the only acceptable town in Mississippi in which to reside.
 
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Nothing earth shattering, just FYI. Not only do some of the players already like the new S&C coach but also some new state of the art equipment. This added to our so called state of the art facilities. (He found a few pieces missing.) Also upgrade in nutrition to D-1 level.
Just say'n...
 
With all the change this year it only makes sense that it got down to this level and it is for the best. It's a total reboot. This Fall we line em up and start knocking them down. All aboard the Energy Train.
 
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Woof 101 said:
Nothing earth shattering, just FYI. Not only do some of the players already like the new S&C coach but also some new state of the art equipment. This added to our so called state of the art facilities. (He found a few pieces missing.) Also upgrade in nutrition to D-1 level.
Just say'n...
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That last part irritates me. I understand that budgets can affect facilities and equipment. But having the food needed for athletes is something every school should have on hand.

I'm curious as to how much of an upgrade was needed.
 
Chin Diesel said:
That last part irritates me. I understand that budgets can affect facilities and equipment. But having the food needed for athletes is something every school should have on hand.

I'm curious as to how much of an upgrade was needed.
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We shouldn't make assumptions that things were not up to par for D1 football before Diaco and the new S&C came in. They merely saw some things they liked at their previous schools that were not at UConn. It is great that the guys have 24 hour access to Power Bars and Muscle Milk, but that is not earth shattering. The guys likely had the same access to those foods during meals which could be taken to their rooms. Now they don't have to save them for later and have FT access which is great, but not an indication that their nutrition was lacking before.

It is expected that the new S&C coach would tweak some things based on how he came up throughout his career no different than if a company replaced a manager or Executive. It doesn't mean the prior regime didn't do things right, just that the new team has their own ideas based on their experiences. If you have seen the UConn weight room before the coaching changes you will know that it was already state of the art. Jerry Martin was not dated in his methodologies and actually patented a lot of strength equipment that is very well received. For example he designed the Power Racks in the football weight room which are as good as it gets and have an electronic monitoring system for tracking each players progress. Each Power Rack alone is $10,000 and they have about 20 among many other state of the art S&C machines.
 
Chin Diesel said:
That last part irritates me. I understand that budgets can affect facilities and equipment. But having the food needed for athletes is something every school should have on hand.

I'm curious as to how much of an upgrade was needed.
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I know when Brian Kelly went to ND, one of the first things he did was address "training table" issue - giving the football players special, high nutritional meals - like he had a Cincy.

I imagine CBD is doing the same thing here.
 
Husky25 said:
Connecticut is an Employment at Will state. Either party can terminate their association with the other for any reason. Cause only come in to play when the person tries to collect unemployment benefits. Even in a contract situation (e.g. the former "coach") termination provisions prior to the conclusion of the contracted term are spelled out. Most time that includes a buy-out clause, which also determines eligibility for post-employment benefits.

Being a contractor is different than having an employment contract. A contractor is basically akin to being self-employed and you are a vendor of the company. At the same time, the company has little input as to how you do your job, only the end result. In other words, one agree to the goals. How one achieves those goals is up to the contractor. This is just one of the rules outlined by the DOL to determine employer/employee relationship. I doubt very highly that the position of strength & conditioning coach is subject to an employment contract or can be considered a contractor.
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I was in NYC. Same, same?
 
FAIRTIDES said:
I was in NYC. Same, same?
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If I understand you correctly, then yes, it is. New York is also an At-Will state. Most states are, but then allow for certain exceptions to the doctrine (e.g. trade unions with collective bargaining powers).
 
Husky25 said:
If I understand you correctly, then yes, it is. New York is also an At-Will state. Most states are, but then allow for certain exceptions to the doctrine (e.g. trade unions with collective bargaining powers).
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Thank you.
 
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