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I know the effort to keep this board UConn related but I think every UConn fan can find joy knowing that Muffet will undoubtably be upset knowing Arike isn’t ACC player of the year, again! :p
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Arike was named the ACC female athlete of the year after the season concluded. I'm sure she wouldn't mind taking that one again
 
bbballfan23 said:
I know the effort to keep this board UConn related but I think every UConn fan can find joy knowing that Muffet will undoubtably be upset knowing Arike isn’t ACC player of the year, again! :pView attachment 40596
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Is it cruel to take pleasure in the fact that Arike is not even the most well respected player in her own conference? If it is, I am guilty. Curiously I feel no remorse. Perhaps I will be overcome later. I still recall her antics during her loss to UConn this year.
 
bbballfan23 said:
I know the effort to keep this board UConn related but I think every UConn fan can find joy knowing that Muffet will undoubtably be upset knowing Arike isn’t ACC player of the year, again! :pView attachment 40596
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I would venture to say that the other coaches in the league saw how she played, not only against UConn, but some of the teams in the ACC and decided that she was not close to being POY because of her demeanor.
 
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Bama fan said:
Is it cruel to take pleasure in the fact that Arike is not even the most well respected player in her own conference? If it is, I am guilty. Curiously I feel no remorse. Perhaps I will be overcome later. I still recall her antics during her loss to UConn this year.
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Guilt was inborn and trained daily in School. So feel remorse and slyly giggle to yourself of course that Arike didn't get it.
I was asking my self--Me, I, Myself, are you soooo biased against Arike's unsporstman's like actions that --I, me, myself won't think of the quality of her game, her scoring? I don't know the truth--I can't handle the truth. I was educated by nones.
 
Orangutan said:
Against Louisville, there was the incident with Carter which the officials reviewed during the game and did not call a foul on Arike.

I'd love to know what else she did against "some of the the teams in the ACC"
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If I remember correctly in both of ND ACC losses she had some questionable play, especially the Miami game. When she is near the basket she almost always tries to undercut the opposing player and rarely gets called on it. She will get called on those types of plays in the WNBA and FIBA.
 
Jaybird65 said:
And just maybe they really liked Asia Durr.
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All of ND's starters got All-ACC recognition - Ogunbowale and Shepard 1st team (media and coaches), Young 2nd team (both), Turner 2nd team (media), Mabrey 2nd team (Coaches). And Turner got DPOY.

So the perception is clearly that Ogunbowale has a much better supporting cast. And the scoring numbers corroborate that.

Turner is ND's lowest-scoring starter at 13.9 ppg. Louisville's 2nd leading scorer is Dana Evans at 10.5 ppg.

Yet, ND and Louisville finished as co-champions. So yeah, I probably would vote for Durr, too.

The fact that ND stumbled badly against UNC without Jackie Young probably didn't help her candidacy either.
 
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MSGRET said:
If I remember correctly in both of ND ACC losses she had some questionable play, especially the Miami game. When she is near the basket she almost always tries to undercut the opposing player and rarely gets called on it. She will get called on those types of plays in the WNBA and FIBA.
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Fair enough, I didn't see the Miami game (was out when it happened and didn't have any desire to watch a replay). Don't remember anything against UNC.
 
hoopsfan22 said:
ESPN will make up for it by showing Arike's buzzer beaters non-stop for the next five weeks. We're gonna see those clips so many times you'll think she plays in the NBA.
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Every time I saw that I cringed. It was an amazingly well timed shot. One tenth of a second either way decided whether Uconn or ND would be the 2018 NC.
It is one of the greatest promo's for Women's College Basketball ever made. Let them run it until the end of this April. The Giant Killers are supposed celebrate. Would the celebration or the repetition be as often Had ND beaten the current ODU? NO! That is how great Uconn is respected.
 
The only good thing about watching the Arike shot over and over is that we no longer have to watch Morgan William. :)

Arike is a very good and dynamic player. But her attitude and occasional poor sportsmanship didn’t help her in what could have been a close vote.
 
MSGRET said:
If I remember correctly in both of ND ACC losses she had some questionable play, especially the Miami game. When she is near the basket she almost always tries to undercut the opposing player and rarely gets called on it. She will get called on those types of plays in the WNBA and FIBA.
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I would prefer that she gets called on it NOW rather than in the WNBA.
 
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bbballfan23 said:
In other surprising news, Carleton of Iowa St. won Big 12 POY over Brown.
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Yeah that's been brewing for a while. Fennelly has been lobbying hard for Carleton as conference POY. No doubt her stats are better than Brown's. Mulkey countered with the fact that Brown is often facing triple teams. Well, maybe she can take solace in her conference COY award :)
 
Plebe said:
Yeah that's been brewing for a while. Fennelly has been lobbying hard for Carleton as conference POY. No doubt her stats are better than Brown's. Mulkey countered with the fact that Brown is often facing triple teams. Well, maybe she can take solace in her conference COY award :)
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I thought Carleton was the best player on the floor both games against Baylor even though they lost both. I was even at the 2nd meeting, so I have no issue with this.
 
bbballfan23 said:
In other surprising news, Carleton of Iowa St. won Big 12 POY over Brown.
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As well she should. She has been outstanding this year for Iowa State and they have relied heavily on her and her alone most of the time. Brown has not been consistent and has had a lot more help. If anything, I would say Cox deserved to win the award before Brown, but I'm even happier it went to Carleton. She deserves recognition for her contributions to Iowa State.
 
bbballfan23 said:
In other surprising news, Carleton of Iowa St. won Big 12 POY over Brown.
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Hmm. In the few Baylor games that I watched, I didn't think that Brown was the best player on the Lady Bears team. Lauren Cox was.
But like I said, I have only seen a half dozen or so of their non-UConn games.

Edit: @southofnorth I posted my opinion on Baylor prior to seeing your post, otherwise I would have quoted yours.
 
Centerstream said:
Hmm. In the few Baylor games that I watched, I didn't think that Brown was the best player on the Lady Bears team. Lauren Cox was.
But like I said, I have only seen a half dozen or so of their non-UConn games.
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A lot of Baylor fans share this view. It could also be argued that the attention that Brown receives from defenses allows Cox to truly thrive. Personally, I think they complement each other to a degree that it is hard to separate the contributions of one from the other. We may find out next year, when Cox is presumably the one who will be double teamed constantly.
 
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Reypl21 said:
Arike was named the ACC female athlete of the year after the season concluded. I'm sure she wouldn't mind taking that one again
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Due to her antics I am willing to be my house, she will NOT be winning the ACC female athlete of the year nor will there be a repeat performance on DWTS...now the WWE may call...:rolleyes:
 
Orangutan said:
All of ND's starters got All-ACC recognition - Ogunbowale and Shepard 1st team (media and coaches), Young 2nd team (both), Turner 2nd team (media), Mabrey 2nd team (Coaches). And Turner got DPOY.

So the perception is clearly that Ogunbowale has a much better supporting cast. And the scoring numbers corroborate that.

Turner is ND's lowest-scoring starter at 13.9 ppg. Louisville's 2nd leading scorer is Dana Evans at 10.5 ppg.

Yet, ND and Louisville finished as co-champions. So yeah, I probably would vote for Durr, too.

The fact that ND stumbled badly against UNC without Jackie Young probably didn't help her candidacy either.
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All that is good and expected from a ND fan because all you see from your team is outstanding offense. But there is another end of the court and Arike doesn't excel there. Wasn't Christyn Williams her assignment on the defensive end. How'd she do? I have character issues with Arike but those aside I see her as little more than a scorer. If she gets on a W team with established scorers she isn't going to get 15-20 shots to get her 6 baskets and if she is giving up 25 at the other end she'll sit.
As for missing Young, how many current all-ACC players on both teams suited up for the UNC game and how many wore green? All of them? The Irish remind me of Baylor the year after they won a title. They confused "title" with "entitled" and got beat in the S16. That team looked invincible but their attitude led to tears in the locker room.
 
Alydar said:
All that is good and expected from a ND fan because all you see from your team is outstanding offense. But there is another end of the court and Arike doesn't excel there. Wasn't Christyn Williams her assignment on the defensive end. How'd she do? I have character issues with Arike but those aside I see her as little more than a scorer. If she gets on a W team with established scorers she isn't going to get 15-20 shots to get her 6 baskets and if she is giving up 25 at the other end she'll sit.
As for missing Young, how many current all-ACC players on both teams suited up for the UNC game and how many wore green? All of them? The Irish remind me of Baylor the year after they won a title. They confused "title" with "entitled" and got beat in the S16. That team looked invincible but their attitude led to tears in the locker room.
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I don't know what you are trying to say here. I was saying that I agreed with the pick of Durr as POY. So I don't understand why you are trying to argue with me about her defense.

The point about Young missing the UNC game was precisely that ND should have had more than enough to win without her. But they didn't so it made it look like Young was the key player for ND, not Ogunbowale, which again leads to the conclusion that Ogunbowale should not be the POY.

It's like you read an entirely different post than the one you quoted.
 
Orangutan said:
I don't know what you are trying to say here. I was saying that I agreed with the pick of Durr as POY. So I don't understand why you are trying to argue with me about her defense.

The point about Young missing the UNC game was precisely that ND should have had more than enough to win without her. But they didn't so it made it look like Young was the key player for ND, not Ogunbowale, which again leads to the conclusion that Ogunbowale should not be the POY.

It's like you read an entirely different post than the one you quoted.
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You are right. I guess I got a bit crazy when I read "The fact that ND stumbled badly against UNC without Jackie Young" . I have yet read a post from an Irish fan about that game that simply said "we lost badly to a bad UNC team". It's always "we didn't have Young". Never do I read, "we lost to UNC with Shepard, Mabrey, Turner and Ogunbowale"
Sorry.
 
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I think everyone, including our ND colleagues would agree that ND has underperformed up until this point of the season. Young is a CRITICAL part of the offense and defense. In my view, Jackie is clearly their best defensive player and a catalyst on offense. But Alydar is right-Shepard, Turner, Mabry and 2018 ACC Athlete of the Year Arike should beat an underwhelming NCheat team at Chapel Hill.
This team is still very dangerous because they can score so much and the opposition has to have the ability to score with ND to take advantage of the lacking defensive skills.

Let's all agree that virtually everyone that is a UConn fan has NO LOVE for Arike due to her antics and the fact ESPN has been hyping those two shots all season. Add in Muffet's less than graceful sportsmanship over Stewie winning the AAC POY or with Durr winning it last year and you have the vitriol that eminates from this board.

As Nan has been reminding the non-UConn forum members-this is a UConn board and recognizing other great teams and players is encouraged, however touting these teams will likely invite derision, mocking, and outright hatred. It comes with the territory. I would not, for example, go onto McGraw's bench and tout Pheesa, KLS, CW, MW and Crystal Dangerfield as players who made all the AAC teams, POY, DPOY and FOY awards-it's bad form.

That said, I do always respect what @Orangutan and @Dillon77 have to say as they are usually very logical and measured in their comments about ND-some others, not so much....:confused:
 
Alydar said:
You are right. I guess I got a bit crazy when I read "The fact that ND stumbled badly against UNC without Jackie Young" . I have yet read a post from an Irish fan about that game that simply said "we lost badly to a bad UNC team". It's always "we didn't have Young". Never do I read, "we lost to UNC with Shepard, Mabrey, Turner and Ogunbowale"
Sorry.
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People like me on that day of the game thread actually went off on ND so idk what You were seeing on here.
 
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