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The “Other Player” wins again

Has UConn underperformed? A team stacked with more talent than any other has lost twice and hasn't looked great in at least a couple of games against unranked and non-P5 competition.
 
hoopsfan22 said:
Has UConn underperformed? A team stacked with more talent than any other has lost twice and hasn't looked great in at least a couple of games against unranked and non-P5 competition.
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I think You May have posted this in the wrong thread
 
hoopsfan22 said:
In response to the post above yours claiming ND has underperformed.
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I never said ND has underperformed. Plus I’m a ND fan. Even tho they did Under perform in the North Carolina and Miami Games.
 
Orangutan said:
I don't know what you are trying to say here. I was saying that I agreed with the pick of Durr as POY. So I don't understand why you are trying to argue with me about her defense.

The point about Young missing the UNC game was precisely that ND should have had more than enough to win without her. But they didn't so it made it look like Young was the key player for ND, not Ogunbowale, which again leads to the conclusion that Ogunbowale should not be the POY.

It's like you read an entirely different post than the one you quoted.
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FWIW, I thought your post was reinforcing the point of the OP. Properly understood, I don't think there is anything wrong with it. Let me act as interpreter. The fact that ND lost to UNC without Young is bad for AOs candidacy because, precisely as some UConn fans who are taking exception to your post say, they should have been able to win even without her, particularly if AO is an POY type player, but even if she is not. Hence, both points that ND underperforms with their talent level and AO is not an POY player were never meant to be mutually exclusive despite how some interpreted. Yeah, I know, you said that. I just thought if a UConn fan said the same thing it might make a difference.
 
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hoopsfan22 said:
Has UConn underperformed? A team stacked with more talent than any other has lost twice and hasn't looked great in at least a couple of games against unranked and non-P5 competition.
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YES, ND has underperformed given 4 starters plus Brianna Turner coming back. UConn, has ONLY 3 upper classman, having to break-in 4 other Freshman and Sophomores into the lineup. Though I gather from your H-Green meme you are not a UConn fan and may not be as knowledgeable in our team...:D
 
DefenseBB said:
YES, ND has underperformed given 4 starters plus Brianna Turner coming back. UConn, has ONLY 3 upper classman, having to break-in 4 other Freshman and Sophomores into the lineup. Though I gather from your H-Green meme you are not a UConn fan and may not be as knowledgeable in our team...:D
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There are only four #1 recruits in all of America. Three of them are in UConn's starting line up. Filling out the rest of the starting spots we have the best point guard from her class ranked overall #3, plus a NPOY candidate in Collier who was ranked 6th in her class. Coming off the bench is ONO, the 7th ranked recruit in her class. Our first six players are all ranked in the top seven of their respective classes. This depth of talent didn't exist even in the Big Three era, and certainly doesn't exist elsewhere now. I guess it is possible that all of the recruiting services have all of our players overrated and everyone else's underrated for the last few classes which would make this much less impressive. By comparison, Muffet has zero #1 recruits on her roster and only one more loss than UConn while playing in the toughest basketball conference.
 
hoopsfan22 said:
There are only four #1 recruits in all of America. Three of them are in UConn's starting line up. Filling out the rest of the starting spots we have the best point guard from her class ranked overall #3, plus a NPOY candidate in Collier who was ranked 6th in her class. Coming off the bench is ONO, the 7th ranked recruit in her class. Our first six players are all ranked in the top seven of their respective classes. This depth of talent didn't exist even in the Big Three era, and certainly doesn't exist elsewhere now. I guess it is possible that all of the recruiting services have all of our players overrated and everyone else's underrated for the last few classes which would make this much less impressive. By comparison, Muffet has zero #1 recruits on her roster and only one more loss than UConn while playing in the toughest basketball conference.
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Just because they are ranked somewhere in HS doesn’t mean that’s the way it is. You can’t believe Megan Walker is better than Gabby Williams, whom I know wasn’t a top 10 player. There was for more depth & talent when Stewie was here, what are you talking about!?!? Head bang
 
hoopsfan22 said:
There are only four #1 recruits in all of America. Three of them are in UConn's starting line up. Filling out the rest of the starting spots we have the best point guard from her class ranked overall #3, plus a NPOY candidate in Collier who was ranked 6th in her class. Coming off the bench is ONO, the 7th ranked recruit in her class. Our first six players are all ranked in the top seven of their respective classes. This depth of talent didn't exist even in the Big Three era, and certainly doesn't exist elsewhere now. I guess it is possible that all of the recruiting services have all of our players overrated and everyone else's underrated for the last few classes which would make this much less impressive. By comparison, Muffet has zero #1 recruits on her roster and only one more loss than UConn while playing in the toughest basketball conference.
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While I really like Crystal Dangerfield, she is not the best PG of her class. A young women by Sabrina who has that distinction. The team went 30-2 at this point only losing AT Baylor and AT Louisville while Winning AT ND. And if you know WCBB especially top programs, virtually all Freshman take time to adjust to playing at this level. So given that they lack a true post player and while Liv is 6’5”, the post position is the hardest to master, so she is still evolving. So while you want to say it didn’t exist during the Big 3 era, you may put too much stock in HS Hoopgurlz rankings as gospel, not as a best guess.
Let’s just say we agree to disagree in the what you think is underperformance. Which I venture to bet not many other fans here think this team is underperforming.
 
DefenseBB said:
While I really like Crystal Dangerfield, she is not the best PG of her class. A young women by Sabrina who has that distinction. The team went 30-2 at this point only losing AT Baylor and AT Louisville while Winning AT ND. And if you know WCBB especially top programs, virtually all Freshman take time to adjust to playing at this level. So given that they lack a true post player and while Liv is 6’5”, the post position is the hardest to master, so she is still evolving. So while you want to say it didn’t exist during the Big 3 era, you may put too much stock in HS Hoopgurlz rankings as gospel, not as a best guess.
Let’s just say we agree to disagree in the what you think is underperformance. Which I venture to bet not many other fans here think this team is underperforming.
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Is Sabrina a 1 or more of a 2/3? I see her more as the latter. Danger is a true point, and I would not trade her for Sabrina. Perhaps that is just my UConn bias creeping in.
 
hoopsfan22 said:
Is Sabrina a 1 or more of a 2/3? I see her more as the latter. Danger is a true point, and I would not trade her for Sabrina. Perhaps that is just my UConn bias creeping in.
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Before this season I would've called her a combo guard who split PG duties w/ Cazorla. But this year she has definitely been primarily a PG. Not a 3 at all.
 
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MSGRET said:
I would venture to say that the other coaches in the league saw how she played, not only against UConn, but some of the teams in the ACC and decided that she was not close to being POY because of her demeanor.
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I'd venture to say they've kind of dominated that league at the direct expense of some original members (we'll call them Luke and Morth Carolina) and there's some understandable resentment. I also don't share the opinion that Asia Durr is a poster child for team play either. Every time ESPN shows those buzzer beaters I'm ready to grab a ballot and vote against her too.
 
The number of times that full of mustard pass against UNC is going to be shown probably isn't going to make her an endearing figure to opponents either. But she has a whole thread on a non-conference's teams message board celebrating the fact she didn't win an award. That's a statement even if some don't want to acknowledge it.
 
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