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The “New” PAC12

Khal Drogo said:
Did you know Stanford field hockey play in the American East. The play Vermont, New Hampshire, Albany
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Did not know this

Not that it matters anymore but one of the reasons those who didn't want to leave the BE gave was that we'd have np home for the field hockey team. I guess thast program could have been salvaged if we moved.
 
Khal Drogo said:
Did you know Stanford field hockey play in the American East. The play Vermont, New Hampshire, Albany
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There are only 3 field hockey schools west of the Rockies; travel would be required no matter what.
 
Rebuilding the PAC with an emphasis on academic profile.

Wash State - Full PAC
Oregon State - Full PAC
California - Full PAC
Stanford - Full PAC
San Diego State - Full PAC
Air Force - Full PAC

SMU - Full PAC
Tulane - Full PAC
Army - Patriot, PAC Football
Navy - Patriot, PAC Football
UConn - Big East, PAC Football
Villanova - Big East, PAC Football

Yeah, Nova is FCS today, but it would fill an east coast 4, is strong academically, has had football success (FCS national champion, NFL alumni), and delivers the Philadelphia market. These east coast 4 deliver New England to NY to Philly to DC plus an outsized military academy following.
 
Rebuilding the PAC looks more attractive to Stanford and Cal than joining the ACC
 
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PAC, Mountain West and ACC leftovers combine to make Pacific Atlantic Conference

Pacific Division
SD State
UNLV
Boise St
Colorado St
Washington St
Oregon St
Stanford
Cal

Atlantic Division
BC
Duke
Georgia Tech
Louisville
Pitt
Syracuse
Wake Forest
UConn
 
05Alum said:
PAC, Mountain West and ACC leftovers combine to make Pacific Atlantic Conference

Pacific Division
SD State
UNLV
Boise St
Colorado St
Washington St
Oregon St
Stanford
Cal

Atlantic Division
BC
Duke
Georgia Tech
Louisville
Pitt
Syracuse
Wake Forest
UConn
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Ah, the great Atlantic and Pacific Company, um Conference.
 
05Alum said:
PAC, Mountain West and ACC leftovers combine to make Pacific Atlantic Conference

Pacific Division
SD State
UNLV
Boise St
Colorado St
Washington St
Oregon St
Stanford
Cal

Atlantic Division
BC
Duke
Georgia Tech
Louisville
Pitt
Syracuse
Wake Forest
UConn
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any realignment dreams need to include 9 MW schools and you have 4.

9 is the number required to dissolve the conference and avoid paying a $30+ million exit fee.
 
Zissou said:
Rebuilding the PAC with an emphasis on academic profile.

Wash State - Full PAC
Oregon State - Full PAC
California - Full PAC
Stanford - Full PAC
San Diego State - Full PAC
Air Force - Full PAC

SMU - Full PAC
Tulane - Full PAC
Army - Patriot, PAC Football
Navy - Patriot, PAC Football
UConn - Big East, PAC Football
Villanova - Big East, PAC Football

Yeah, Nova is FCS today, but it would fill an east coast 4, is strong academically, has had football success (FCS national champion, NFL alumni), and delivers the Philadelphia market. These east coast 4 deliver New England to NY to Philly to DC plus an outsized military academy following.
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This isn't a horrible idea except there aren't enough full PAC schools to play Olympic sports.
 
05Alum said:
PAC, Mountain West and ACC leftovers combine to make Pacific Atlantic Conference

Pacific Division
SD State
UNLV
Boise St
Colorado St
Washington St
Oregon St
Stanford
Cal

Atlantic Division
BC
Duke
Georgia Tech
Louisville
Pitt
Syracuse
Wake Forest
UConn
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“APAC”
 
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bendm said:
any realignment dreams need to include 9 MW schools and you have 4.

9 is the number required to dissolve the conference and avoid paying a $30+ million exit fee.
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who are the ones left out, in your estimation? SJSU, Hawaii (FB only), Air Force?
 
Urcea said:
who are the ones left out, in your estimation? SJSU, Hawaii (FB only), Air Force?
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i think Cal and Stanford join either the Big10 or Big12 and WSU and OSU merge with the MW. who are WSU and OSU to say hawaii doesnt deserve to have an FBS football team anymore?
 
bendm said:
i think Cal and Stanford join either the Big10 or Big12 and WSU and OSU merge with the MW. who are WSU and OSU to say hawaii doesnt deserve to have an FBS football team anymore?
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Stanford is a tough fit unless they go to a place where they are not going to leave. The B12 probably would not add them as they likely would then be at risk of losing them given how well financed they are endowment and otherwise with a ton of resources. Not sure if they would agree to a hard core grant of rights in the B12. Might not be worth the trouble. They have enough resources they will likely take their time. Cal, good luck with their debt and history. Likely a high maintenance add as well.
 
If this was ten years ago, Stanford and Cal would be in the B1G today no questions asked.
 
I would imagine that if the two conferences want to merge, they’ll make sure that they both keep their NCAA tournament credits. PAC received 18m in 2022 and that should be somewhat consistent for 5 more years after 23-24 tournament.
 
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don356 said:
Stanford is a tough fit unless they go to a place where they are not going to leave. The B12 probably would not add them as they likely would then be at risk of losing them given how well financed they are endowment and otherwise with a ton of resources. Not sure if they would agree to a hard core grant of rights in the B12. Might not be worth the trouble. They have enough resources they will likely take their time. Cal, good luck with their debt and history. Likely a high maintenance add as well.
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regarding Stanford, what does "they have enough resources they will likely take their time" mean? seems like youre saying they can go Indy in football but they cant go indy in all other Olympic sports. stanford has produced more US Olympians than any other school and Cal has produced the 4th most. i dont think there's a chance either school parks those world-class programs in the WCC (which they would have to do if they went indy in football).

regarding Cal, what does " good luck with their debt and history" mean? their debt should obviously make the BIG10 most attractive, followed by the big12. MW and Indy aint paying the bills.

the big12 just added freaking ASU and Utah. they can definitely find room for stanford and cal if they go to 18.
 
bendm said:
regarding Stanford, what does "they have enough resources they will likely take their time" mean? seems like youre saying they can go Indy in football but they cant go indy in all other Olympic sports. stanford has produced more US Olympians than any other school and Cal has produced the 4th most. i dont think there's a chance either school parks those world-class programs in the WCC (which they would have to do if they went indy in football).

regarding Cal, what does " good luck with their debt and history" mean? their debt should obviously make the BIG10 most attractive, followed by the big12. MW and Indy aint paying the bills.

the big12 just added freaking ASU and Utah. they can definitely find room for stanford and cal if they go to 18.
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How is Cal attractive to the Big 10? They're horrendous in sports.
 
noeynox said:
Has Kliavkoff released a statement?
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Shortcut <<

-> Asked if he planned to resign, Kliavkoff said (via text message):

“I’m loyal to a fault (and probably to my personal detriment). Had plenty of chances to leave over the past two years when the breadth of the challenges were already obvious and decided to stick it out and try to do the best I could. We still have a lot of work ahead of us to try and minimize the impact on the student athletes, and I’m still committed to that.” <-
 
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I would be shocked if California/Stanford have not been in conversation with the B1G about joining their recently transferred brethren. The only question I see would be their $ share. USC and UCLA are getting the full $60 mil immediately. Oregon and Washington will be getting half that, $30 mil, with small annual increases.

How much could California/Stanford negotiate? To the degree that you are known by the company you keep, the B1G is the perfect conference for them.

Would be interested in counter arguments.
 
lne001 said:
I would be shocked if California/Stanford have not been in conversation with the B1G about joining their recently transferred brethren. The only question I see would be their $ share. USC and UCLA are getting the full $60 mil immediately. Oregon and Washington will be getting half that, $30 mil, with small annual increases.

How much could California/Stanford negotiate? To the degree that you are known by the company you keep, the B1G is the perfect conference for them.

Would be interested in counter arguments.
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Only so many spots left. If you are the B1G, do you want to saturate CA when you already have UCLA and USC, or would you rather gain territory with UNC and UVA?
 
Zissou said:
Only so many spots left. If you are the B1G, do you want to saturate CA when you already have UCLA and USC, or would you rather gain territory with UNC and UVA?
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I would believe UNC and VA are also eventual B1G targets, but with GOR they don't seem available for quite some some time.
 
These far flung conferences could be Title IX violations. Women's sports are getting punished for football.
 
huskymedic said:
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I know it’s nothing like the old PAC, but if you take the first 12 schools on that chart and assemble a conference of them, that’s not a bad crowd of schools to join together, considering it was pieced together from pretty much nothing
 
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