Texas athletic stipend .... $10,000.

[j66kicker]

Well one thing is for sure - this will hasten Geno's departure from UCONN. I always thought he would stay with it as long as he felt passionate about it, was able to recruit great kids, and that recruiting was fair, even if it changed over time (ie. recruiting kids younger than junior year). But if Universities have to start paying kids and the recruits start saying "well Texas is giving me $25,000 additional per year - can you match that", I think Geno says goodbye.

Geno will love coaching at Texas. Great place to live, very cosmopolitan and they love immigrants. Such great wine & dining, and they are just wild about short little Italian wise-asses down there.

 

[UcMiami]

10K is not a great stipend. If a student gets a tuition scholarship, then they need about 15K additional money to live on per year. 10K won't even cover room and board. I'm sure many schools offer this much already to top athletes. Students who are very academically talented routinely get that kind of scholarship money too in some places.

A full scholarship = tuition, room, and board including per diem when on the road - the 10K is walking around money

 

[pinotbear]

Geno will love coaching at Texas. Great place to live, very cosmopolitan and they love immigrants. Such great wine & dining, and they are just wild about short little Italian wise-asses down there.

Might have missed the point of the post, j66: I think eric is saying that Geno will just hang up his whistle, rather than flat-out "buy" or "bid" for prospective students. After all, it's not like he needs to cement his legacy, build his IRA, or wait too many years to be eligible for retirement.

 

[j66kicker]

Thanks. I got that. But Texas has a reputation of being as financially generous when luring coaches as they are when luring athletes

 

[semper]

I don't think we need to worry yet. It may happen only if they lose the Ed O’Bannon ruling.

 

[BigBird]

It could all backfire. What if nobody wants to play against UT's stacked deck? That could kill the cash cow and bring them back in line in a hurry. Yeah, I know. It was just a thought.

 

[Seattle4UT]

I have a question- will this stipend be considered taxable income? If so the student will have to pay the taxes. I wonder if anyone has thought this all the way through....

It should be grossed up so that the athletes don't have to pay taxes.

 

[j66kicker]

This won't be popular here, but I'm thinking actually a P5 concentration of elite talent might might be good for WCBB - not good for UCONN tho. There just isn't enough legit talent right now to support 300+ teams. Personally I find games featuring other than the very top teams to be practically unwatchable. Concentrating all the elite talent (including coaching) on 50-60 teams might make for a more interesting sport, and maybe more appealing to the mainstream sports fan.

 

[huskyharry]

If this program goes into place, you will see non-revenue-producing sports dropped left and right. Many Universities would drop Women's Basketball. It will really make a farce out of the whole idea of a Student-Athlete and the pay-for-play sports will essentially become just another professional league.

 

[Icebear]

This won't be popular here, but I'm thinking actually a P5 concentration of elite talent might might be good for WCBB - not good for UCONN tho. There just isn't enough legit talent right now to support 300+ teams. Personally I find games featuring other than the very top teams to be practically unwatchable. Concentrating all the elite talent (including coaching) on 50-60 teams might make for a more interesting sport, and maybe more appealing to the mainstream sports fan.

I think it is already rather concentrated and that is an issue in parity.

 

[uconnfan68]

http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcspo...-start-paying-their-athletes-a-10000-stipend/

Texas is planning to give athletes a $10,000. stipend per school year. How many schools could afford this ?

Has this been approved by the NCAA ?

To be clear... this is not ALL athletes... just football (and maybe men's basketball), at least in Texas.

 

[HoopsFan21]

It should be grossed up so that the athletes don't have to pay taxes.

Or, the athletes could thank their lucky stars for receiving a $100,000+ education for free?

 

[Beemer]

If this program goes into place, you will see non-revenue-producing sports dropped left and right. Many Universities would drop Women's Basketball. It will really make a farce out of the whole idea of a Student-Athlete and the pay-for-play sports will essentially become just another professional league.

Wouldn't that be a violation of Title IX though? Especially if that school retains its mbb program.

 

[Beemer]

Or, the athletes could thank their lucky stars for receiving a $100,000+ education for free?

Those days are over. It is all about the money now.

 

[HoopsFan21]

Wouldn't that be a violation of Title IX though? Especially if that school retains its mbb program.

I think the way around that is you just make them employees, which once you start paying them a stipend they basically are.

 

[pap49cba]

To be clear... this is not ALL athletes... just football (and maybe men's basketball), at least in Texas.

I don't think that is correct. There is no way to get to their projected figure of $6MN counting just football and mbb.

 

[UcMiami]

If this program goes into place, you will see non-revenue-producing sports dropped left and right. Many Universities would drop Women's Basketball. It will really make a farce out of the whole idea of a Student-Athlete and the pay-for-play sports will essentially become just another professional league.

Title IX means WCBB and many other sports on the women's side will survive - the likely initial casualties will be men's non-revenue sports and the lesser women's sports - following on what has already happened during the rebalancing that title IX required.

To be clear... this is not ALL athletes... just football (and maybe men's basketball), at least in Texas.

That would mean 85-100 male athletic stipends ... I think they would have to offset that expenditure either by removing an equivalent dollar amount from other male scholarship/stipend expenses or by adding an equivalent amount on the women's side. Not exactly sure on that as I don't know the complete details of the legislation.

 

[John Glass]

To be clear... this is not ALL athletes... just football (and maybe men's basketball), at least in Texas.

you may want to read the link, Texas is budgeting $6 million dollars. Does Texas have 600 members of the football, and maybe men's basketball teams ?

 

[intlzncster]

you may want to read the link, Texas is budgeting $6 million dollars. Does Texas have 600 members of the football, and maybe men's basketball teams ?

In 2013, UT had about 525 participating student athletes for all sports, so with that budget, pay for everyone rings true.

Alternatively, UT could be budgeting a 'war chest', in anticipation of extra curricular benefits increasing in an arms race scenario.

 

[Beemer]

In 2013, UT had about 525 participating student athletes for all sports, so with that budget, pay for everyone rings true.

Alternatively, UT could be budgeting a 'war chest', in anticipation of extra curricular benefits increasing in an arms race scenario.

That sounds right- 525 athletes @ $10,000 per athlete is $ 5.25 million. Round it up to $ 6 million just in case.

 

[j66kicker]

That sounds right- 525 athletes @ $10,000 per athlete is $ 5.25 million. Round it up to $ 6 million just in case.

85 football players @ $60,000 each, plus 15 mens BB players @ $50,000 each, leaves $150,000 to divide up among the other 425 student athletes = $352.94 each

 

[JRRRJ]

I don't think that is correct. There is no way to get to their projected figure of $6MN counting just football and mbb.

You're forgetting program administration overhead (R1 universities usually figure it at about 54%) --- and legal fees ;^)

 

[Seattle4UT]

It could all backfire. What if nobody wants to play against UT's stacked deck? That could kill the cash cow and bring them back in line in a hurry. Yeah, I know. It was just a thought.

It wouldn't just be UT. All other P5 programs would pay a stipend hence triggering the "arms race" mentioned a couple of posts earlier.

 

[Huskies Rule]

Well one thing is for sure - this will hasten Geno's departure from UCONN. I always thought he would stay with it as long as he felt passionate about it, was able to recruit great kids, and that recruiting was fair, even if it changed over time (ie. recruiting kids younger than junior year). But if Universities have to start paying kids and the recruits start saying "well Texas is giving me $25,000 additional per year - can you match that", I think Geno says goodbye.

The very best high school girls dream of maximizing their physical/mental BB skills in college, competing against top competition, becoming the best player they possibly can, and then hopefully achieving the ultimate dream- the WNBA. In spite of the obscene stipend money spread around like putrid fertilizer (and it will be hard to resist), I do believe there will be a few elite kids, those truly driven to excellence, who will instead opt for 4 years tutelage with the world's best WBB coach. And Geno being Geno, I think he will see all this as just another challenge for him, his superb coaching staff, his players and the university to overcome. Geno will never run from such crap.

 

[j66kicker]

The very best high school girls dream of maximizing their physical/mental BB skills in college, competing against top competition, becoming the best player they possibly can, and then hopefully achieving the ultimate dream- the WNBA. In spite of the obscene stipend money spread around like putrid fertilizer (and it will be hard to resist), I do believe there will be a few elite kids, those truly driven to excellence, who will instead opt for 4 years tutelage with the world's best WBB coach. And Geno being Geno, I think he will see all this as just another challenge for him, his superb coaching staff, his players and the university to overcome. Geno will never run from such crap.

While that may be true at first, the end game is the P5 will be the only place the elite athletes can play with and against elite competition, regardless of whether one of them happens not to need the money.

I'm thinking (hoping) that the NCAA values its March Madness asset, which is rife with "Cinderella" mystique, and tries to do something to separate BB from the same fate as P5 football. But nothing is forever. The "NCAA era" may be coming to a close, as did the previous era before that. I suspect basketball will survive and the world will not end.

 

[Huskies Rule]

And if Texas thinks firing Mack Brown and buying football players at $10,000 a pop will return glory to Austin- nope. It will only exacerbate the stench and reaffirm the death of collegiate amateur athletics and the NCAA.

 

[Huskies Rule]

The cost of not joining the P5 is future mediocrity of all big time sports programs. For better or worse, those programs are one of the biggest marketing tools of the university; it's the university's national brand. The entire school will suffer.

Puke5 Football revenue drives everything, so coach Diaco had better do some hellacious recruiting. NOW, dude.

 

[Huskies Rule]

While that may be true at first, the end game is the P5 will be the only place the elite athletes can play with and against elite competition, regardless of whether one of them happens not to need the money.

I'm thinking (hoping) that the NCAA values its March Madness asset, which is rife with "Cinderella" mystique, and tries to do something to separate BB from the same fate as P5 football. But nothing is forever. The "NCAA era" may be coming to a close, as did the previous era before that. I suspect basketball will survive and the world will not end.

Hmmm. Not sure. Our conference competition is weak, yet Geno wisely schedules enough top tier outside opponents (Stanford, ND, Baylor, Duke, Maryland, Penn State) to keep his guys sharp, perfect their skills, and stay on top of their game. Not every game is a bruising battle, and that helps young women's bodies rest and recuperate. Though our conference situation is not by choice, until the Puke5 becomes a reality, I actually think UConn benefits from playing the assortment of cupcakes between the toughies. In football, you could never get to a BCS championship game playing a schedule filled with jellos. In basketball, men's and women's, you can.

 

[Huskies Rule]

Geno will love coaching at Texas. Great place to live, very cosmopolitan and they love immigrants. Such great wine & dining, and they are just wild about short little Italian wise-asses down there.

My sides are aching. That's great! Hahahaha

 

[Huskies Rule]

Correct. Texas' budget for this is $6 million/year, which covers 600 athletes. UCONN cannot pay 1 cent, even if they wanted and could afford to.

We could give each kid a $10,000 yearly gift certificate for pizza and pasta at Geno's joint.