Texas and Oklahoma joining the SEC?

[stwainfan]

Wait, Pruitt's gone already? Let me guess, for cheating?

Well, if Tennessee can't contribute national titles, they've certainly made up for it with the cheating and sexual assault-condoning, lest anyone question whether they fit in with the SEC's core values.

DYK that Josh Heupel was coaching at UCF. The offense ranked in the top ten in the country. all three years.

 

[stwainfan]

Even without this move, SEC already had the strongest conference football wise. OU will definitely improve gymnastics and softball. WBB wise, Texas can definitely help.

True. OU could have won a national title. If they had a defense.

 

[SECbbfan24]

meat judging

I see what you did there

 

[Plebe]

It makes you wonder if Kim Mulkey heard things months ago. We’re happy regardless

She may well have known but if she did, it's probably because the folks at LSU (who were privy to the backroom talks with OU and UT) told her so in order to lure her.

 

[SECbbfan24]

She may well have known but if she did, it's probably because the folks at LSU (who were privy to the backroom talks with OU and UT) told her so in order to lure her.

Probably one of many factors. Ending career in home state, right down the road where her mom and other friends live. Gets a new challenge along with salary/incentives. Throw in the Big 12 falling apart (appears that way), it definitely could impact her thinking. Woodward probably hinted at things to come. Less money, less resources and etc to work with.

Jim Schlossnagle is another (TCU baseball coach). Hopping from TCU to A&M seemed like a lateral move a few months ago. Now, at the very least, it's a very fortunate coincidence. People with agents who make that kind of big money hear things. Some are definitely privy to certain info over others

 

[Vowelguy]

Kim would not have had to "hear anything." Anyone could have legitimately said that the SEC was a stable conference, the B12 was not, and the landscape was probably going to change dramatically in 2025 when most conference media rights were up for bid. It was well known that both the B12 and Pac were in danger of imploding, and that TX was a key linchpin in that.

 

[Dwilliams02]

Which SEC game are these highlights from?

Definitely gives me South Carolina vs Missouri vibes.

 

[GamecockFam]

I wonder how this instability will affect recruiting and transfers for the remaining Big 12 schools. The Big 12's future is in peril, would a recruit want to risk going to a conference with an uncertain future? Will players transfer to bigger named conferences?

 

[CTBballfan243]

In the long run non of this conference realignment really made any difference. Kim could get just about any job in women’s college BBall anytime she wanted to.

 

[Dwilliams02]

In the long run non of this conference realignment really made any difference. Kim could get just about any job in women’s college BBall anytime she wanted to.

Yes it would have. I promise you. Baylor women's basketball will hurt from this. From the level of competition to recruiting. You're correct about Mulkey. But If she stayed at Baylor. They would hurt unless they moved as well to a better conference.

 

[PoppaBear]

I wonder how this instability will affect recruiting and transfers for the remaining Big 12 schools. The Big 12's future is in peril, would a recruit want to risk going to a conference with an uncertain future? Will players transfer to bigger named conferences?

From what I can tell wbb players are lured by superior coaches and programs that they feel comfortable in. Not by conferences. Football recruiting is what's in peril. From a financial perspective, it will definitely hurt program wide

 

[garddog]

I believe we will see 3 permanent rivals in football.
MS State is the oldest football rival for Ole Miss, 2nd longest in SEC, LSU at 5th longest rivalry, and Alabama as the 8th longest.

I don't think pods or divisions will allow for keeping the 100+ year old rivalries going. The conference can keep the old rivalries going by just using 3 permanent.

 

[visitingcock]

I'm excited for baseball and softball. Commissioner Sankey has already talked about the stupidity of limiting those two sports to 11.7 and 12 scholarships respectively. All indications are that he intends to tell the NCAA to pound sand and authorize SEC teams to give up to 27 (roster size) scholarships annually. Thus, every player on the roster will have a free ride.

To me, the NCAA limitations have had a racist effect even if there was no racist intent. It was more beneficial for low income minority kids to go to the minors and kick around for four years than to go to college where they have the chance to earn degrees that are much more valuable than a short minor league career.. White, middle class players have dominated NCAA baseball for years.

Texas and Oklahoma are strong baseball programs. Add them to this-century national champions, LSU, South Carolina, Mississippi State, Florida, Vanderbilt etc and you have a super strong league that creates alot of Big Leaguers - with college degrees. A legion of minor leaguers come from these schools - with degrees or many hours toward degrees.

Add income from name, image, likeness, and college baseball might not be so lily white anymore.

College World Series last 50 years

1970	Southern California	Rod Dedeaux	2–1	Florida State	Gene Ammann, Florida State
1971	Southern California	Rod Dedeaux	7–2	Southern Illinois	Jerry Tabb, Tulsa
1972	Southern California	Rod Dedeaux	1–0	Arizona State	Russ McQueen, Southern California
1973	Southern California	Rod Dedeaux	4–3	Arizona State	Dave Winfield, Minnesota
1974	Southern California	Rod Dedeaux	7–3	Miami (FL)	George Milke, Southern California
1975	Texas	Cliff Gustafson	5–1	South Carolina	Mickey Reichenbach, Texas
1976	Arizona	Jerry Kindall	7–1	Eastern Michigan	Steve Powers, Arizona
1977	Arizona State	Jim Brock	2–1	South Carolina	Bob Horner, Arizona State
1978	Southern California	Rod Dedeaux	10–3	Arizona State	Rod Boxberger, Southern California
1979	Cal State Fullerton	Augie Garrido	2–1	Arkansas	Tony Hudson, Cal State Fullerton
1980	Arizona	Jerry Kindall	5–3	Hawaii	Terry Francona, Arizona
1981	Arizona State	Jim Brock	7–4	Oklahoma State	Stan Holmes, Arizona State
1982	Miami (FL)	Ron Fraser	9–3	Wichita State	Dan Smith, Miami (FL)
1983	Texas	Cliff Gustafson	4–3	Alabama	Calvin Schiraldi, Texas
1984	Cal State Fullerton	Augie Garrido	3–1	Texas	John Fishel, Cal State Fullerton
1985	Miami (FL)	Ron Fraser	10–6	Texas	Greg Ellena, Miami (FL)
1986	Arizona	Jerry Kindall	10–2	Florida State	Mike Senne, Arizona
1987	Stanford	Mark Marquess	9–5	Oklahoma State	Paul Carey, Stanford
1988	Stanford	Mark Marquess	9–4	Arizona State	Lee Plemel, Stanford
1989	Wichita State	Gene Stephenson	5–3	Texas	Greg Brummett, Wichita State
1990	Georgia	Steve Webber	2–1	Oklahoma State	Mike Rebhan, Georgia
1991	LSU	Skip Bertman	6–3	Wichita State	Gary Hymel, LSU
1992	Pepperdine	Andy Lopez	3–2	Cal State Fullerton	Phil Nevin, Cal State Fullerton
1993	LSU	Skip Bertman	8–0	Wichita State	Todd Walker, LSU
1994	Oklahoma	Larry Cochell	13–5	Georgia Tech	Chip Glass, Oklahoma
1995	Cal State Fullerton	Augie Garrido	11–5	Southern California	Mark Kotsay, Cal State Fullerton
1996	LSU	Skip Bertman	9–8	Miami (FL)	Pat Burrell, Miami (FL)
1997	LSU	Skip Bertman	13–6	Alabama	Brandon Larson, LSU
1998	Southern California	Mike Gillespie	21–14	Arizona State	Wes Rachels, Southern California
1999	Miami (FL)	Jim Morris	6–5	Florida State	Marshall McDougall, Florida State
2000	LSU	Skip Bertman	6–5	Stanford	Trey Hodges, LSU
2001	Miami (FL)	Jim Morris	12–1	Stanford	Charlton Jimerson, Miami (FL)
2002	Texas	Augie Garrido	12–6	South Carolina	Huston Street, Texas
2003	Rice	Wayne Graham	4–310, 3–8, 14–2	Stanford	John Hudgins, Stanford
2004	Cal State Fullerton	George Horton	6–4, 3–2	Texas	Jason Windsor, Cal State Fullerton
2005	Texas	Augie Garrido	4–2, 6–2	Florida	David Maroul, Texas
2006	Oregon State	Pat Casey	3–4, 11–7, 3–2	North Carolina	Jonah Nickerson, Oregon State
2007	Oregon State	Pat Casey	11–4, 9–3	North Carolina	Jorge Luis Reyes, Oregon State
2008	Fresno State	Mike Batesole	6–7, 19–10, 6–1	Georgia	Tommy Mendonca, Fresno State
2009	LSU	Paul Mainieri	7–6, 1–5, 11–4	Texas	Jared Mitchell, LSU
2010	South Carolina	Ray Tanner	7–1, 2–111	UCLA	Jackie Bradley, Jr., South Carolina
2011	South Carolina	Ray Tanner	2–111, 5–2	Florida	Scott Wingo, South Carolina
2012	Arizona	Andy Lopez	5–1, 4–1	South Carolina	Rob Refsnyder, Arizona
2013	UCLA	John Savage	3–1, 8–0	Mississippi State	Adam Plutko, UCLA
2014	Vanderbilt	Tim Corbin	9–8, 2–7, 3–2	Virginia	Dansby Swanson, Vanderbilt
2015	Virginia	Brian O'Connor	1–5, 3–0, 4–2	Vanderbilt	Josh Sborz, Virginia
2016	Coastal Carolina	Gary Gilmore	0–3, 5–4, 4–3	Arizona	Andrew Beckwith, Coastal Carolina
2017	Florida	Kevin O'Sullivan	4–3, 6–1	LSU	Alex Faedo, Florida
2018	Oregon State	Pat Casey	1–4, 5–3, 5–0	Arkansas	Adley Rutschman, Oregon State
2019	Vanderbilt	Tim Corbin	4–7, 4–1, 8–2	Michigan	Kumar Rocker, Vanderbilt
2020	Cancelled due to the COVID-19 pandemic​
2021	Mississippi State	Chris Lemonis	2–8, 13–2, 9–0	Vanderbilt	Will Bednar, Mississippi State

 

[Alibi Ike]

It's a good thing crummy programs like Tennessee and Vanderbilt can ride the coattails of their strong conference mates like Alabama.

One thing is for sure, though, Tennessee football will eventually be elite again. It's just a matter of time. They have the tradition, the stadium, the money, facilities, etc., to succeed.

 

[Vowelguy]

One thing is for sure, though, Tennessee football will eventually be elite again. It's just a matter of time. They have the tradition, the stadium, the money, facilities, etc., to succeed.

Havent won a conference title in 23 years. Last division title was 14 yrs ago. And with Bama & Aub likely moving to the East, that isnt looking any more likely.

"eventually"

 

[triaddukefan]

One thing is for sure, though, Tennessee football will eventually be elite again. It's just a matter of time. They have the tradition, the stadium, the money, facilities, etc., to succeed.

What is your definition of elite? 7 wins in a season?

The vols problem is most of the other schools in the conference have equal or superior in terms of stadium, money, facilities, tradition. They are ahead of Vandy, Kentucky, Arkansas and that's pretty much it. Even Little Carolina while not equal in terms of stadium size or tradition... is located in a more fertile recruiting state than TN.

 

[TerpWomenFan]

They have officially been invited. The schools are expected to accept the invitation tomorrow.

 

[visitingcock]

One thing is for sure, though, Tennessee football will eventually be elite again. It's just a matter of time. They have the tradition, the stadium, the money, facilities, etc., to succeed.

Stadium is big, but so is everybody's in the SEC. AND EVERYBODY HAS MONEY TOO. So, they have tradition - and very, very poor leadership.


FBS HOME ATTENDANCE TEAM LEADERS 2019

1. Michigan 7 780,215 111,459
2. Penn St. 7 739,747 105,678
3. Ohio St. 7 723,679 103,383
4. TexasA&M 7 711,258 101,608
5. Alabama 7 707,817 101,117

6. LSU 7 705,892 100,842
7. Texas 6 577,834 96,306
8. Georgia 7 649,722 92,817
9. Nebraska 7 625,436 89,348
10. Tennessee 8 702,912 87,864

11. Auburn 7 600,355 85,765
12. Florida 6 508,103 84,684
13. Oklahoma 6 499,533 83,256
14. Clemson 7 566,074 80,868
15. South Carolina 7 545,737 77,962

1	Texas	Big 12	$223,879,781	$204,234,897	$0	0.00
2	Texas A&M	SEC	$212,748,002	$169,012,456	$0	0.00
3	Ohio State	Big Ten	$210,548,239	$220,572,956	$0	0.00
4	Michigan	Big Ten	$197,820,410	$190,952,175	$261,773	0.13
5	Georgia	SEC	$174,042,482	$143,299,554	$3,508,850	2.02
6	Penn State	Big Ten	$164,529,326	$160,369,805	$0	0.00
7	Alabama	SEC	$164,090,889	$185,317,681	$2,654,551	1.62
8	Oklahoma	Big 12	$163,126,695	$157,958,270	$0	0.00
9	Florida	SEC	$159,706,937	$141,829,002	$2,261,773	1.42
10	LSU	SEC	$157,787,782	$148,977,880	$0	0.00
11	Wisconsin	Big Ten	$157,660,107	$154,621,828	$3,029,000	1.92
12	Florida State	ACC	$152,757,883	$150,147,316	$15,607,019	10.22
13	Auburn	SEC	$152,455,416	$139,260,711	$5,261,252	3.45
14	Iowa	Big Ten	$151,976,026	$146,282,275	$650,000	0.43
15	Kentucky	SEC	$150,435,842	$144,886,246	$0	0.00
16	Tennessee	SEC	$143,765,903	$142,976,173	$0	0.00
17	South Carolina	SEC	$140,695,659	$136,879,732	$0	0.00
18	Michigan State	Big Ten	$140,010,865	$135,655,740	$885,690	0.63
19	Louisville	ACC	$139,955,824	$151,167,940	$5,923,817	4.23
20	Arkansas	SEC	$137,497,788	$129,620,361	$0	0.00

 

[CL82]

1. Michigan 7 780,215 111,459
2. Penn St. 7 739,747 105,678
3. Ohio St. 7 723,679 103,383
4. TexasA&M 7 711,258 101,608
5. Alabama 7 707,817 101,117

6. LSU 7 705,892 100,842
7. Texas 6 577,834 96,306
8. Georgia 7 649,722 92,817
9. Nebraska 7 625,436 89,348
10. Tennessee 8 702,912 87,864

11. Auburn 7 600,355 85,765
12. Florida 6 508,103 84,684
13. Oklahoma 6 499,533 83,256
14. Clemson 7 566,074 80,868
15. South Carolina 7 545,737 77,962

What's the difference between these teams and UConn? A bigger stadium! We need a bigger stadium!

(Oh and winning some games would be nice too.)

 

[visitingcock]

What's the difference between these team and UConn? A bigger stadium! We need a bigger stadium!

(Oh and winning some games would be nice too.)

Well, that and tv contracts for money. Winning ain't that big a deal. I'm a Gamecock.

We averaged over 75.00 per game in 1999 when we went 0-11. (of course tickets were a lot cheaper then)