Texas and Oklahoma joining the SEC?

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Dawn, Kim and Vic in the SEC


Which SEC game are these highlights from?
 

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If this happens. In football it's no debate who the strongest conference is. I guess more national titles in the future for the SEC.
 

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It's a good thing crummy programs like Tennessee and Vanderbilt can ride the coattails of their strong conference mates like Alabama.
Saban won't coach forever. Alabama has been down before. I think Tennessee has a better coach now. I am glad Pruitt is gone.
 
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If this happens. In football it's no debate who the strongest conference is. I guess more national titles in the future for the SEC.
Even without this move, SEC already had the strongest conference football wise. OU will definitely improve gymnastics and softball. WBB wise, Texas can definitely help.
 

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Saban won't coach forever. Alabama has been down before. I think Tennessee has a better coach now. I am glad Pruitt is gone.
Wait, Pruitt's gone already? Let me guess, for cheating?

Well, if Tennessee can't contribute national titles, they've certainly made up for it with the cheating and sexual assault-condoning, lest anyone question whether they fit in with the SEC's core values.
 
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For some trivia: Last National Title in a Big 3 Sports for current SEC members
Miss State-2021 Baseball
Bama-2020 Football
LSU-2019 Footbsll
Vandy-2019 Baseball
Florida-2017 Baseball
Kentucky-2012 Basketball
South Carolina-2011 Baseball
Auburn-2010 Football
Tennessee-1998 Football
Arkansas-1994 Basketball
Georgia-1990 Baseball
Ole Miss-1960 Football*(not one of the two major polls)
Missouri-1954 Baseball
Texas A&M-1939 Football
A&M….
 

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Wait, Pruitt's gone already? Let me guess, for cheating?

Well, if Tennessee can't contribute national titles, they've certainly made up for it with the cheating and sexual assault-condoning, lest anyone question whether they fit in with the SEC's core values.
DYK that Josh Heupel was coaching at UCF. The offense ranked in the top ten in the country. all three years.
 

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Even without this move, SEC already had the strongest conference football wise. OU will definitely improve gymnastics and softball. WBB wise, Texas can definitely help.
True. OU could have won a national title. If they had a defense.
 

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It makes you wonder if Kim Mulkey heard things months ago. We’re happy regardless
She may well have known but if she did, it's probably because the folks at LSU (who were privy to the backroom talks with OU and UT) told her so in order to lure her.
 
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She may well have known but if she did, it's probably because the folks at LSU (who were privy to the backroom talks with OU and UT) told her so in order to lure her.
Probably one of many factors. Ending career in home state, right down the road where her mom and other friends live. Gets a new challenge along with salary/incentives. Throw in the Big 12 falling apart (appears that way), it definitely could impact her thinking. Woodward probably hinted at things to come. Less money, less resources and etc to work with.

Jim Schlossnagle is another (TCU baseball coach). Hopping from TCU to A&M seemed like a lateral move a few months ago. Now, at the very least, it's a very fortunate coincidence. People with agents who make that kind of big money hear things. Some are definitely privy to certain info over others
 

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Kim would not have had to "hear anything." Anyone could have legitimately said that the SEC was a stable conference, the B12 was not, and the landscape was probably going to change dramatically in 2025 when most conference media rights were up for bid. It was well known that both the B12 and Pac were in danger of imploding, and that TX was a key linchpin in that.
 
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I wonder how this instability will affect recruiting and transfers for the remaining Big 12 schools. The Big 12's future is in peril, would a recruit want to risk going to a conference with an uncertain future? Will players transfer to bigger named conferences?
 
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In the long run non of this conference realignment really made any difference. Kim could get just about any job in women’s college BBall anytime she wanted to.
 
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In the long run non of this conference realignment really made any difference. Kim could get just about any job in women’s college BBall anytime she wanted to.
Yes it would have. I promise you. Baylor women's basketball will hurt from this. From the level of competition to recruiting. You're correct about Mulkey. But If she stayed at Baylor. They would hurt unless they moved as well to a better conference.
 
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I wonder how this instability will affect recruiting and transfers for the remaining Big 12 schools. The Big 12's future is in peril, would a recruit want to risk going to a conference with an uncertain future? Will players transfer to bigger named conferences?
From what I can tell wbb players are lured by superior coaches and programs that they feel comfortable in. Not by conferences. Football recruiting is what's in peril. From a financial perspective, it will definitely hurt program wide
 
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I believe we will see 3 permanent rivals in football.
MS State is the oldest football rival for Ole Miss, 2nd longest in SEC, LSU at 5th longest rivalry, and Alabama as the 8th longest.

I don't think pods or divisions will allow for keeping the 100+ year old rivalries going. The conference can keep the old rivalries going by just using 3 permanent.
 
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I'm excited for baseball and softball. Commissioner Sankey has already talked about the stupidity of limiting those two sports to 11.7 and 12 scholarships respectively. All indications are that he intends to tell the NCAA to pound sand and authorize SEC teams to give up to 27 (roster size) scholarships annually. Thus, every player on the roster will have a free ride.

To me, the NCAA limitations have had a racist effect even if there was no racist intent. It was more beneficial for low income minority kids to go to the minors and kick around for four years than to go to college where they have the chance to earn degrees that are much more valuable than a short minor league career.. White, middle class players have dominated NCAA baseball for years.

Texas and Oklahoma are strong baseball programs. Add them to this-century national champions, LSU, South Carolina, Mississippi State, Florida, Vanderbilt etc and you have a super strong league that creates alot of Big Leaguers - with college degrees. A legion of minor leaguers come from these schools - with degrees or many hours toward degrees.

Add income from name, image, likeness, and college baseball might not be so lily white anymore.

College World Series last 50 years

1970Southern CaliforniaRod Dedeaux2–1Florida StateGene Ammann, Florida State
1971Southern CaliforniaRod Dedeaux7–2Southern IllinoisJerry Tabb, Tulsa
1972Southern CaliforniaRod Dedeaux1–0Arizona StateRuss McQueen, Southern California
1973Southern CaliforniaRod Dedeaux4–3Arizona StateDave Winfield, Minnesota
1974Southern CaliforniaRod Dedeaux7–3Miami (FL)George Milke, Southern California
1975TexasCliff Gustafson5–1South CarolinaMickey Reichenbach, Texas
1976ArizonaJerry Kindall7–1Eastern MichiganSteve Powers, Arizona
1977Arizona StateJim Brock2–1South CarolinaBob Horner, Arizona State
1978Southern CaliforniaRod Dedeaux10–3Arizona StateRod Boxberger, Southern California
1979Cal State FullertonAugie Garrido2–1ArkansasTony Hudson, Cal State Fullerton
1980ArizonaJerry Kindall5–3HawaiiTerry Francona, Arizona
1981Arizona StateJim Brock7–4Oklahoma StateStan Holmes, Arizona State
1982Miami (FL)Ron Fraser9–3Wichita StateDan Smith, Miami (FL)
1983TexasCliff Gustafson4–3AlabamaCalvin Schiraldi, Texas
1984Cal State FullertonAugie Garrido3–1TexasJohn Fishel, Cal State Fullerton
1985Miami (FL)Ron Fraser10–6TexasGreg Ellena, Miami (FL)
1986ArizonaJerry Kindall10–2Florida StateMike Senne, Arizona
1987StanfordMark Marquess9–5Oklahoma StatePaul Carey, Stanford
1988StanfordMark Marquess9–4Arizona StateLee Plemel, Stanford
1989Wichita StateGene Stephenson5–3TexasGreg Brummett, Wichita State
1990GeorgiaSteve Webber2–1Oklahoma StateMike Rebhan, Georgia
1991LSUSkip Bertman6–3Wichita StateGary Hymel, LSU
1992PepperdineAndy Lopez3–2Cal State FullertonPhil Nevin, Cal State Fullerton
1993LSUSkip Bertman8–0Wichita StateTodd Walker, LSU
1994OklahomaLarry Cochell13–5Georgia TechChip Glass, Oklahoma
1995Cal State FullertonAugie Garrido11–5Southern CaliforniaMark Kotsay, Cal State Fullerton
1996LSUSkip Bertman9–8Miami (FL)Pat Burrell, Miami (FL)
1997LSUSkip Bertman13–6AlabamaBrandon Larson, LSU
1998Southern CaliforniaMike Gillespie21–14Arizona StateWes Rachels, Southern California
1999Miami (FL)Jim Morris6–5Florida StateMarshall McDougall, Florida State
2000LSUSkip Bertman6–5StanfordTrey Hodges, LSU
2001Miami (FL)Jim Morris12–1StanfordCharlton Jimerson, Miami (FL)
2002TexasAugie Garrido12–6South CarolinaHuston Street, Texas
2003RiceWayne Graham4–310, 3–8, 14–2StanfordJohn Hudgins, Stanford
2004Cal State FullertonGeorge Horton6–4, 3–2TexasJason Windsor, Cal State Fullerton
2005TexasAugie Garrido4–2, 6–2FloridaDavid Maroul, Texas
2006Oregon StatePat Casey3–4, 11–7, 3–2North CarolinaJonah Nickerson, Oregon State
2007Oregon StatePat Casey11–4, 9–3North CarolinaJorge Luis Reyes, Oregon State
2008Fresno StateMike Batesole6–7, 19–10, 6–1GeorgiaTommy Mendonca, Fresno State
2009LSUPaul Mainieri7–6, 1–5, 11–4TexasJared Mitchell, LSU
2010South CarolinaRay Tanner7–1, 2–111UCLAJackie Bradley, Jr., South Carolina
2011South CarolinaRay Tanner2–111, 5–2FloridaScott Wingo, South Carolina
2012ArizonaAndy Lopez5–1, 4–1South CarolinaRob Refsnyder, Arizona
2013UCLAJohn Savage3–1, 8–0Mississippi StateAdam Plutko, UCLA
2014VanderbiltTim Corbin9–8, 2–7, 3–2VirginiaDansby Swanson, Vanderbilt
2015VirginiaBrian O'Connor1–5, 3–0, 4–2VanderbiltJosh Sborz, Virginia
2016Coastal CarolinaGary Gilmore0–3, 5–4, 4–3ArizonaAndrew Beckwith, Coastal Carolina
2017FloridaKevin O'Sullivan4–3, 6–1LSUAlex Faedo, Florida
2018Oregon StatePat Casey1–4, 5–3, 5–0ArkansasAdley Rutschman, Oregon State
2019VanderbiltTim Corbin4–7, 4–1, 8–2MichiganKumar Rocker, Vanderbilt
2020
Cancelled due to the COVID-19 pandemic
2021Mississippi StateChris Lemonis2–8, 13–2, 9–0VanderbiltWill Bednar, Mississippi State
 
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It's a good thing crummy programs like Tennessee and Vanderbilt can ride the coattails of their strong conference mates like Alabama.

One thing is for sure, though, Tennessee football will eventually be elite again. It's just a matter of time. They have the tradition, the stadium, the money, facilities, etc., to succeed.
 

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One thing is for sure, though, Tennessee football will eventually be elite again. It's just a matter of time. They have the tradition, the stadium, the money, facilities, etc., to succeed.
Havent won a conference title in 23 years. Last division title was 14 yrs ago. And with Bama & Aub likely moving to the East, that isnt looking any more likely.

"eventually"
 
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