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Tenspro2002 said:
Larrier won't be playing the 2, even if Purvis is gone.
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LOl! Purvis gone? Not picking on your post just find it funny that anyone is even considering that a possibility. If Purve is considering it hes getting really bad adavice.
 
TheChamps990411 said:
LOl! Purvis gone? Not picking on your post just find it funny that anyone is even considering that a possibility. If Purve is considering it hes getting really bad adavice.
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Not really. Kid will be able to play overseas or in the D league. He graduates this year, and will be old for a prospect if he stays an extra year, which is not good for pro aspirations.
 
James said:
brimah has gotten better every year and is KOs best center option, there is not much left to argue about. The idea that any other of the bigs are 'better' is preposterous, they are all pretty inadequate.

And terry larrier is a shooting guard/perimeter player, he loves to get up jumpers. loves to score/drive, his rebounding is comparable to someone like omar. it will be news to me if i see him out there guarding the second big next year
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Larrier's rebounding rate last year was roughly that of DeAndre Daniels' his freshman year. The fact that Larrier is perimeter-oriented offensively obviously means nothing in regards to where he'll play.

I'm guessing a lot will depend on how much muscle he can put on between now and next fall. He as a stick figure at VCU, but then again, so was Daniels.
 
intlzncster said:
Not really. Kid will be able to play overseas or in the D league. He graduates this year, and will be old for a prospect if he stays an extra year, which is not good for pro aspirations.
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While this is true, it's also not a bad thing to get a master's degree and a(nother) chance at a Final Four run.

I'd probably go pro if I were in Rodney's shoes, but it's not a 100% no-brainer. There are two sides to the scale.
 
James said:
brimah has gotten better every year and is KOs best center option, there is not much left to argue about. The idea that any other of the bigs are 'better' is preposterous, they are all pretty inadequate.

And terry larrier is a shooting guard/perimeter player, he loves to get up jumpers. loves to score/drive, his rebounding is comparable to someone like omar. it will be news to me if i see him out there guarding the second big next year
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Why are you reacting like that James - no one said any other bigs were better did they? They spoke about potential scenario's only and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.
 
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Fact of the matter is, even without DHam & Purvis, we have talent and flexibility. With them, we are loaded.
 
Matt1010 said:
You clicked on a thread about a player who isn't eligible until next season, what exactly did you expect?
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It was at the top. Potentially news about him? Should I expect an Enoch/Brimah debate about next season's playing time?
 
I'm no NBA expert but dear Lord, in what universe does Rodney sit on an NBA bench? One more year would not hurt his ability to play overseas and if he made a vast leap next year maybe he could at least get tryouts.
 
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jibsey said:
I'm no NBA expert but dear Lord, in what universe does Rodney sit on an NBA bench? One more year would not hurt his ability to play overseas and if he made a vast leap next year maybe he could at least get tryouts.
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He might be able to get on an NBA roster as a 3-D guy. He has shown the ability to shoot from the college 3 pt line and deeper and is a solid defender most times. He also has the athleticism and strength to play in the NBA. He has issues with FT shooting and has a relatively weak handle, but it's not worse than some other 3D guys.
 
whaler11 said:
Oh good next year's lineup. Why bother to enjoy the current season when we can worry about who might get playing time next year.
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The thread is discussing a player who will not log minutes until next November. Relax.
 
Stairmaster said:
"Where we hoped he would be"

Many on this board wanted him at an Okafor/Thabeet level by junior year. "Where we hoped he would be" was just plain unrealistic. Moreover, you don't bench someone because they aren't playing at an NPOY/Top 2 draft pick level. Not even Kentucky does that.

Much of the criticism of Brimah here has very little to do with his abilities on the court, which have been proven in statistical analyses conducted by members of this board to be very helpful to the team. Instead, they tend to deal with
  1. Aesthetics - people don't like seeing centers who aren't big and beefy. Brimah's body type prevents him from being this, thus people are angry at seeing something they don't find visually pleasing.
  2. Rawness - people are mad that in hindsight, KO recruited a project big man instead of someone who is ready from the get-go. "We're UConn, we recruit players who come in at a high level right off the bat." Again, this is no fault of AB's -- he was given a scholarship to an outstanding university and accepted it.
  3. Playing time given mistakes - people are nostalgic for the Calhoun days when one dumb move would result in someone being glued to the bench for the rest of the half. KO doesn't do this with Brimah, therefore it's a departure from what people were used to, and people just don't like change in general.
  4. Behavior on the court (smiling and wagging the finger) - people use this to conjecture that he doesn't take the game seriously. Maybe they also don't like that players show joy on the court when they, the fans associate our games with feeling anxious and nervous for the outcome. "He doesn't have a right to be happy when I'm stressing out for 40 minutes!"
  5. Status within the program - people (well, namely a couple) were upset at his being named a captain due to his performance on the court and are upset at seeing a player they view as "fundamentally unsound" receiving accolades and special titles (Conference DPOY adds to this)
  6. Xenophobia - people want the homegrown Connecticut kid to succeed and are upset that someone from another continent is standing in his way.
  7. There is another reason for people to dislike him, but it is best left on the cesspool.

Furthermore, if you think that Enoch's ability surpasses Brimah's, I invite you to defer to the man who is being paid millions of dollar to make said determination and is exposed to both of them for multiple hours a day in practice: Kevin Ollie. Remember, last year people were clamoring for Rakim Lubin to take minutes using the argument "well, he can't be worse than the guys we have in now". And guess what? He was. Now, Enoch is much better than Lubin, but there is a reason he is on the bench and Brimah is getting minutes.
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This is such a garbage post. Re-read my post, and try making an argument based off of what I said, and not what you want me to say. You build up all these strawmen, and I'll give you credit, you did a great job of knocking them down. Now I'm xenophobic because I think Brimah has some flaws? Give me a f&*king break dude. Maybe you've been spending touch time on the cesspool, but calling everyone a racist isn't a good way to win arguments in the real world.

If you want to read my previous post over and maybe not jump to extreme conclusions, I'll be happy to debate my point further. Otherwise, you can f-&k off.
 
Rico444 said:
This is such a garbage post. Re-read my post, and try making an argument based off of what I said, and not what you want me to say. You build up all these strawmen, and I'll give you credit, you did a great job of knocking them down. Now I'm xenophobic because I think Brimah has some flaws? Give me a f&*king break dude. Maybe you've been spending touch time on the cesspool, but calling everyone a racist isn't a good way to win arguments in the real world.

If you want to read my previous post over and maybe not jump to extreme conclusions, I'll be happy to debate my point further. Otherwise, you can f-&k off.
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Perhaps it was inappropriate for me to sandwich a general critique of the board's non-legitimate Brimah criticism in response to your specific post. I stand by the notion that the "strawmen" I created are effectively how a significant number of people here feel. Obviously they don't reflect your argument, which I should've specified. Regardless, what I said needed to be said because a lot of people here have really ridiculous ideas concerning Brimah, which I think is BS.

Aside from that section, I think that I did present specific, legitimate arguments to your points.

"Many on this board wanted him at an Okafor/Thabeet level by junior year. "Where we hoped he would be" was just plain unrealistic. Moreover, you don't bench someone because they aren't playing at an NPOY/Top 2 draft pick level. Not even Kentucky does that."

"I invite you to defer the man who is being paid millions of dollars to make said determination and is exposed to both of them for multiple hours a day in practice: Kevin Ollie. Remember, last year people were clamoring for Rakim Lubin to take minutes using the argument 'well, he can't be worse than the guys we have in now'. And guess what? He was. Now, Enoch is much better than Lubin, but there is a reason he is on the bench and Brimah is getting minutes."

Claiming that Brimah not reaching unrealistic expectations isn't cause to bench him and that Kevin Ollie sees a lot more of him and Enoch than we all do are both pretty sober arguments, IMO.
 
Expecting Brimah to reach the Okafor/Thabeet level is unfair. I'll admit I had hopes that he might get there a year or two back, but that's not the current bar against which I'm comparing him. He's been wildly inconsistent his whole career. Against Gonzaga, he was a non-factor early. Then he started the 2nd half, left Wiltjer wide open for a 3, and got benched again for a few minutes...and then, he was a force the rest of the game, and we came back from 20 down. Against Maryland, he was bad pretty much the whole game, Stone abused him early on. I have been one of Amida's biggest supporters for awhile, but his inconsistency is maddening, and he's not a freshman anymore. When he's on, he raises the team to another level, but who the heck knows which Brimah is going to show up? By the way, Brimah has only played around 20 minutes per game this season, so I'm not so sure KO has as much confidence in him as you think.

Enoch isn't ready to take Brimah's minutes yet, but there's no denying he has a lot of talent. I wouldn't be surprised if he's a much better player in March than he is now. Remember Jeremy Lamb? His minutes were minimal in 2011 until about mid-january.

Bottom line, I want this team to win, and I love Amida. I hope he shuts me up and starts playing great from tip to buzzer. I'm just not as optimistic we ever see a consistent Brimah, not after 2 and a half years of this.
 
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selles said:
That really didn't happen. That's one of those things that could become part of the whole 'Brimah doesn't show up against good teams' meme around here so it's important to note - IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.
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If you say so.
 
Rico444 said:
If you say so.
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He's averaging 21.6 minutes, 6.4 points, 5 rebounds and 2 blocked shots vs the 5 real opponents we played which are Michigan, Cuse, Zags, Terps and Buckeyes. Obviously you aren't correct in your assessment Rico as you can see there has been a vast improvement just by the numbers alone.:oops:
 
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mauconnfan said:
He's averaging 21.6 minutes, 6.4 points, 5 rebounds and 2 blocked shots vs the 5 real opponents we played which are Michigan, Cuse, Zags, Terps and Buckeyes.:oops:
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I would love to get 12, 10 and 4 from our center position over 40 minutes against top quality teams. Too bad the back-ups can't maintain the same level as AB. That would be awesome,
 
Stairmaster said:
"Where we hoped he would be"

Many on this board wanted him at an Okafor/Thabeet level by junior year. "Where we hoped he would be" was just plain unrealistic. Moreover, you don't bench someone because they aren't playing at an NPOY/Top 2 draft pick level. Not even Kentucky does that.

Much of the criticism of Brimah here has very little to do with his abilities on the court, which have been proven in statistical analyses conducted by members of this board to be very helpful to the team. Instead, they tend to deal with
  1. Aesthetics - people don't like seeing centers who aren't big and beefy. Brimah's body type prevents him from being this, thus people are angry at seeing something they don't find visually pleasing.
  2. Rawness - people are mad that in hindsight, KO recruited a project big man instead of someone who is ready from the get-go. "We're UConn, we recruit players who come in at a high level right off the bat." Again, this is no fault of AB's -- he was given a scholarship to an outstanding university and accepted it.
  3. Playing time given mistakes - people are nostalgic for the Calhoun days when one dumb move would result in someone being glued to the bench for the rest of the half. KO doesn't do this with Brimah, therefore it's a departure from what people were used to, and people just don't like change in general.
  4. Behavior on the court (smiling and wagging the finger) - people use this to conjecture that he doesn't take the game seriously. Maybe they also don't like that players show joy on the court when they, the fans associate our games with feeling anxious and nervous for the outcome. "He doesn't have a right to be happy when I'm stressing out for 40 minutes!"
  5. Status within the program - people (well, namely a couple) were upset at his being named a captain due to his performance on the court and are upset at seeing a player they view as "fundamentally unsound" receiving accolades and special titles (Conference DPOY adds to this)
  6. Xenophobia - people want the homegrown Connecticut kid to succeed and are upset that someone from another continent is standing in his way.
  7. There is another reason for people to dislike him, but it is best left on the cesspool.

Furthermore, if you think that Enoch's ability surpasses Brimah's, I invite you to defer to the man who is being paid millions of dollar to make said determination and is exposed to both of them for multiple hours a day in practice: Kevin Ollie. Remember, last year people were clamoring for Rakim Lubin to take minutes using the argument "well, he can't be worse than the guys we have in now". And guess what? He was. Now, Enoch is much better than Lubin, but there is a reason he is on the bench and Brimah is getting minutes.
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I think you may be over-thinking it. Brimah is a 7 footer who isn't a dominant scoring center. People want him to be.
 
David 76 said:
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I would love to get 12, 10 and 4 from our center position over 40 minutes against top quality teams. Too bad the back-ups can't maintain the same level as AB. That would be awesome,
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We don't have back ups per se. I mean who is the "5" as positioned? Phil isn't playing, Enoch hardly. Kelis Fisher not too much either so when we go small those guys are all doing more than that typically, not the blocks but everything else is better. Problem is how often can you play 6'7, 6'7 across the interior against quality teams?
 
CL82 said:
I think you may be over-thinking it. Brimah is a 7 footer who isn't a dominant scoring center. People want him to be.
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I don't think anyone is asking him to be a "dominant scoring center" not sure where you see that CL? Just an occasional offensive rebound and put back or a jump hook isn't much to ask for from a 3rd year starting 6'10 guy? Let's be honest munis 2 jump shots all year it's pretty much alley oop or naught. I take those but good teams don't allow them as easy.
 
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mauconnfan said:
I don't think anyone is asking him to be a "dominant scoring center" not sure where you see that CL? Just an occasional offensive rebound and put back or a jump hook isn't much to ask for from a 3rd year starting 6'10 guy? Let's be honest munis 2 jump shots all year it's pretty much alley oop or naught. I take those but good teams don't allow them as easy.
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That was shorthand in reponse to @Stairmaster's analysis. He is what he is, a one dimensional shot-blocker and people want more. I don't think it is xenophobia or people pining away for Calhouns short hook or "#7."
 
mauconnfan said:
We don't have back ups per se. I mean who is the "5" as positioned? Phil isn't playing, Enoch hardly. Kelis Fisher not too much either so when we go small those guys are all doing more than that typically, not the blocks but everything else is better. Problem is how often can you play 6'7, 6'7 across the interior against quality teams?
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Wait. we are better against good teams with our small line-up but we don't do it because you can't do it for long. Why is that? They are an improvement we can't live with?
 
David 76 said:
Wait. we are better against good teams with our small line-up but we don't do it because you can't do it for long. Why is that? They are an improvement we can't live with?
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??????:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:
 
"Phil isn't playing, Enoch hardly. Kelis Fisher not too much either so when we go small those guys are all doing more than that typically, not the blocks but everything else is better. Problem is how often can you play 6'7, 6'7 across the interior against quality teams?[/QUOTE]

You are saying everything is better w/o Brimah except the blocks. Then you say can't play with the smalls. That doesn't make sense. If it was better, they could play good teams that way.

Bottom line,we are better with Brimah in. Case in point, UMass Lowell, KO's judgement, stats
 
David 76 said:
"Phil isn't playing, Enoch hardly. Kelis Fisher not too much either so when we go small those guys are all doing more than that typically, not the blocks but everything else is better. Problem is how often can you play 6'7, 6'7 across the interior against quality teams?
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You are saying everything is better w/o Brimah except the blocks. Then you say can't play with the smalls. That doesn't make sense. If it was better, they could play good teams that way.

Bottom line,we are better with Brimah in. Case in point, UMass Lowell, KO's judgement, stats[/QUOTE]

Never said that but have at it the Brimah lovefest is too much for me. 2nd half after the 18 minute mark 36 possessions and 7 layups of which 3 were altered anyway and 3 were made - one was a foul. 29 jump shots from 15 feet or more. Tell me about what he would have done in the 2nd half. Point is this was the guys who were there playing crappy defense more than him not being there. OF COURSE we're better with him but not as much as one would think. And the way this team ran offense even less. But hey you guys have it figured out.:rolleyes:
 
David 76 said:
Bottom line,we are better with Brimah in. Case in point, UMass Lowell, KO's judgement, stats
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I don't think using the UMass-Lowell game is going to help your argument.

Much of our complaint is that Brimah compiles most of his stats against cupcakes but then he can't compete against top competition.
 
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