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Hoophound said:
WVU needs to move to the east division. Our division sucks.
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Speak for yourself, I'd rather have WVU in the West everyday of the week and twice on Saturdays.

I could live with this proposal. Don't sleep on USF and UCF, both of those programs have the arrow pointed way up. And wait until Miami has the hammer dropped...

It's time to name the UConn/Rutgers game and play it during the last week of the season (regular)...
 
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Deck chairs on the Titanic.

Hope the orchestra keeps playing.

Not the divisions that matter but the almost total lack of quality FB programs that are in those divisions.
 
flyonthewall said:
Deck chairs on the Titanic.

Hope the orchestra keeps playing.

Not the divisions that matter but the almost total lack of quality FB programs that are in those divisions.
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Houston, SMU and UCF would all kick Syracuses' teeth in.

In terms of brand recognition, you are correct. In terms of on the field results, you would be incorrect.
 
You might prefer keeping WVU out of our division, but having one crap division and one strong one isn't good for a conference championship game. (if there is one, otherwise who cares, I guess)

I was assuming we would play division mates every year and only play the other divisions teams rotationally. We need to bring the better names to The Rent to build excitement.
 
NutmegState said:
Houston, SMU and UCF would all kick Syracuses' teeth in.

In terms of brand recognition, you are correct. In terms of on the field results, you would be incorrect.
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Brand recognition is exactly what I was talking about. Go throught the real BCS conferences. In each one you can list two, three or four teams that are the power teams and are expected to do well every year. Example, Big12, Texas and Oklahoma; name schools that people think have quality programs most years.

Whether the new members would beat Syracuse or Pitt or anyone else is irrelevant, what matters is if they are 'name' schools that people would watch on TV. Look at the game between Ohio State and Nebraska as an example. Quality match up between an old and new member of the B1G. Somehow I don't think that SMU-UConn would be in the same class.
 
NutmegState said:
Houston, SMU and UCF would all kick Syracuses' teeth in.

In terms of brand recognition, you are correct. In terms of on the field results, you would be incorrect.
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Houston, SMU and UCF are as big of a brand in Florida and Texas as SU is in New York or any market.
 
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Next question to answer: Eight or nine conference games per year?
 
Big East divisions for football:


East: Uconn, Rutgers, USF
West WVU, Cincy, Lou

I'm sorry, but the situation is that bad right now. BE Football schools need another conference earthquake to find a better home.
 
PennStateRod said:
Big East divisions for football:

East: Uconn, Rutgers, USF
West WVU, Cincy, Lou

I'm sorry, but the situation is that bad right now. BE Football schools need another conference earthquake to find a better home.
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Your basketball coach just left for Navy. Now buzz off.
 
flyonthewall said:
Brand recognition is exactly what I was talking about. Go throught the real BCS conferences. In each one you can list two, three or four teams that are the power teams and are expected to do well every year. Example, Big12, Texas and Oklahoma; name schools that people think have quality programs most years.

Whether the new members would beat Syracuse or Pitt or anyone else is irrelevant, what matters is if they are 'name' schools that people would watch on TV. Look at the game between Ohio State and Nebraska as an example. Quality match up between an old and new member of the B1G. Somehow I don't think that SMU-UConn would be in the same class.
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You don't say? Really? Here I was thinking that UConn, who is less than a decade on the D1 scene, carried the same cache as Ohio State and Nebraska.

Silly me, thanks for the heads up.
 
coachcap said:
Next question to answer: Eight or nine conference games per year?
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It depends. Will the extra game be against BCS conference teams or non-BCS conference teams? That's the answer to your question. Syracuse or Buffalo? Pitt or Temple? Baylor or Ohio?
 
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WVU si gone. To the B12 if Missouri leaps or to the SEC.

The only possible upside here for UConn is FSU going to the SEC and Missouri staying put. Then Flipper can vote down UConn and propose Rutgers and the B12 says "what the hell" and adds Lousville and WVU. Then UConn rules the remainders.
 
Please. Penn State hoops is a disaster and no one in his or her right mind would want to coach there. Anyway, this is FB football board so take your shots in that direction.
 
No way these divisions could work. How would Navy play Air Force every year in this configuration? They going to abandon the Commander-In-Chief Trophy?
 
The initial discussion of a twelve member football conference was encouraging but the cryptic rumblings have been a bit disherening. It sounds as if the idea is to get to fourteen with two all sports additions and four football only (my guess is that the plan is for the three service academies and one of Boise St or an upgraded Nova) members. It appears that the only chance Houston or SMU have is if other all sports members leave the BE, allowing for further additions without surpassing eight other sports members who happen to play football in the BE.

I do have one question on Boise St, with the way things appear now, would they really be better served leaving the MWC for the BE? I imagine the possibility exists that before long the MWC with Boise St remaining could have exactly the same BCS access as the BE with Boise St joining. I'm n ot sure their accepting an invitation is a slam dunk.
 
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FfldCntyFan said:
The initial discussion of a twelve member football conference was encouraging but the cryptic rumblings have been a bit disherening. It sounds as if the idea is to get to fourteen with two all sports additions and four football only (my guess is that the plan is for the three service academies and one of Boise St or an upgraded Nova) members. It appears that the only chance Houston or SMU have is if other all sports members leave the BE, allowing for further additions without surpassing eight other sports members who happen to play football in the BE.

I do have one question on Boise St, with the way things appear now, would they really be better served leaving the MWC for the BE? I imagine the possibility exists that before long the MWC with Boise St remaining could have exactly the same BCS access as the BE with Boise St joining. I'm n ot sure their accepting an invitation is a slam dunk.
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What cryptic rumblings? Army is an adamant "no" to an invitation. They want nothing to do with another conference by all accounts and their public statements. Nova is clearly not part of the initial 12, but could be there if the league expanded to 14 theoretically, although everything Nova does when it comes to upgrading their program feels like going through the motions without concrete actions. I think it is much less than 50/50 that Villanova ever upgrades.
 
I would much rather be in a 10 team league playing all these schools annually:

RU, WVU, UL, UC, USF, UCF, Houston, SMU (Alternatively substitute Navy, for Texas schools)

than the proposed 12 team league where we are stuck with Temple and would play WVU, UC, UL only every other year.
 
uconNYC said:
I would much rather be in a 10 team league playing all these schools annually:

RU, WVU, UL, UC, USF, UCF, Houston, SMU (Alternatively substitute Navy, for Texas schools)

than the proposed 12 team league where we are stuck with Temple and would play WVU, UC, UL only every other year.
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If this is the best that the 'leaders' in Providence can do then I have lost all faith in this league. Talk about setting the bar low and settling. I can understand why some homers in here are ok with this as they would be excited if CCSU joined the league. But in reality this is a terrible situation for UConn. Think about both home and away games: start off with a Rhode Island type then Temple, possible nova if navy doesn't join, UCF, USF and RU. I can't see that generating much excitement. ESPN isn't going to want to pick up UConn vs. Temple/UCF/Nova games, especially at small empty stadiums like temple n nova, unless they on a Tuesday or Wednesday night.

I can see it now ...

HCPP: Son, come play at UConn where you can play in one of the most balanced league divisions in the country.

Recruit: Well I want to play big time football against well known programs in exciting atmospheres on national TV. (Translation I want exposure) I haven't had the chance to catch a UConn game yet.

HCPP: We just played on ESPN Friday night

Recruit: I had a high school game then ...

HCPP: Well .. uh well .. we have great academics though.... its not all about football son.

Recruit: I have BC, Cuse, Penn State and Pitt all knocking on my door telling me I can get both a great education AND play teams like Florida State, Virginia Tech, Clemson, Miami and Georgia Tech ....

HCPP: But we have basketball.... and Temple just joined!!!!

Recruit: Thanks coach, but I want to play football

HCPP: : patented blank stare::
 
Every program in the country who is either in the BE, or not in a BCS conference, must realize the need to come together into a conference organized under the BE banner, to preserve or achieve, the BCS status. That means BSU, Houston, SMU, UCF. If the BE leadership is not trying to make this happen, then they really are brain dead, and we really are facked.
 
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