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I tend to agree with Plebe - I saw that Cooper and Deshields were something like 1-16 in their last game leading maybe some to speculate that they are purposely throwing away the season so that Holly would get fired. Also there's a very long thread on Volnation started by a guy who claims to have inside knowledge of the family. He said if Holly comes back next year, Diamond is gone.

It is a messy, cancerous, toxic situation there, and certainly a dangerous one for the administration. DD is nowhere near the star that Carmelo, Lebron, Curry, etc. are. There is NO scenario in WCBB that a player can force a coach out, unless that coach committed some sort of grievous act or was a bigot like Portland was/is. I hope Holly stays, if for no other reason than to see how Tennessee does once the toxic player(s) are gone...
 
Fairfield Fan said:
I home and home series, Tennessee would have lost multiple games to South Florida, Temple, and Tulane. At least in the second half of the season. No question.
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You could throw in Memphis and a healthy ECU...
 
uconnever said:
if the kids buy into holly, they will be fine next year. if they buy in and next year is anything like this year, its the coaching. i hope they give her a chance, but i think its unlikely. like nan said its the chemistry, but i still think they deserve time to develop it. to me im thinking maybe the chemistry is bad off the court also and that would be a bigger problem. to me, Tea improving as the lead guard and a player that is a three point specialist could solve most of their problems along with a little added chemistry.
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No AD would permit the coach to return after a disaster like this season. Wharlick will leave soon after the season ends. Without a strong group of recruits to suggest that next season will be better, or even different, from this season, there is no reason to continue betting on Pat's successor. This is Wharlick's fourth full season as head coach, following three decades as Pat's top assistant. This season is not a learning season. The school expected continued excellence; instead, they've experienced the worst season in Tennessee BB's history. They are going with someone else for 16/17.
 
The take away from the Tulane game and a comparison to TN is not in the shooting numbers. Everyone (even UCONN) misses shots. What was remarkable for UCONN and something TN is not capable off is 5 turnovers for the game and 1 in the first half. Lady Vols average 17 turnovers per game.
 
DC - an interesting post, but I think if you actually look at the flow of the games TN plays the situation is very different - they can play really well in two or three quarters of any game and be a complete basket case in the others, and which quarters they crumple in vary from game to game - they have not showed up for the first half and then made furious comebacks in the second, or stayed in the locker room for the third quarter and stormed back in the fourth. Or played a strong game through 3 quarters and thrown away a double digit lead in the fourth. There is no consistency in how they lose, so they could very easily have stunk up a first quarter like Uconn did, and tied the score before half time, only to throw it away again in the last two minutes of the fourth.

TN was down 10 to LSU for example at half time, played a strong 3rdQ and were up 3 with ten seconds to play and up 1 with 1 with five second and shooting free throws, and contrived to lose to a team with no timeouts rebounding the ball with 3 seconds left 90 feet from the basket. That is a team that can right the ship, and still sail it into the rocks the next second.
 
CocoHusky said:
The take away from the Tulane game and a comparison to TN is not in the shooting numbers. Everyone (even UCONN) misses shots. What was remarkable for UCONN and something TN is not capable off is 5 turnovers for the game and 1 in the first half. Lady Vols average 17 turnovers per game.
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Although UConn is certainly capable of also having a bad day on the turnover section of the stat sheet, I think the key here is the juxtaposition of the two numbers. UConn, on the same day that they just couldn't shoot the whole first quarter, also buckled down and only had one turnover for the whole half. They didn't fall apart and let the poor shooting go to their heads; they actually tightened up their performance in other parts of the game. It was actually Tulane who kept dribbling the ball off their foot. A less disciplined team would have collapsed and let the situation snowball with more turnovers and bad plays than average, not fewer.
 
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Fairfield Fan said:
No AD would permit the coach to return after a disaster like this season. Wharlick will leave soon after the season ends. Without a strong group of recruits to suggest that next season will be better, or even different, from this season, there is no reason to continue betting on Pat's successor. This is Wharlick's fourth full season as head coach, following three decades as Pat's top assistant. This season is not a learning season. The school expected continued excellence; instead, they've experienced the worst season in Tennessee BB's history. They are going with someone else for 16/17.
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I agree, in theory. In practice, I think a few factors will lead to Holly's return. I think though the university is rightly proud of the program under Summitt, they are first and foremost a football school. Holly's teams losing is probably less of an issue for them than they would be in Connecticut. Holly still has a large buyout left on her contract. If I am correct that the Vol athletic department and administration really isn't troubled by the current struggles of the Lady Vols, they won't invest seven figures to try and correct it. Lastly with the string of sexual harassment cases the university is facing, they probably will be inclined to give Holly the benefit of the doubt at least through next year. That's a good thing in my opinion, but probably not if you are a Lady Vol fan.
 
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Plebe said:
I didn't watch the Alabama game, but from what I read and heard, Tennessee just missed a ton of easy and makeable shots. Kinda like what UConn did in the 1st quarter against Tulane, except Tennessee did it for most of the game.

I don't get the impression that they're intentionally losing the games. I just think they're so horribly unconfident at this point, and just not engaged and not connected with each other. Their defense hasn't been all that bad, really, but their rebounding is nowhere near where it should be, and their offense is just the poster child of dysfuctionality.

So yes, I concur. Tennessee could certainly take a loss to Tulane, which is IMO a better team than Arkansas, LSU and Bama.
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I agree that Tulane is a better team than Arkansas, LSU, and Bama, you can add Ole Miss to that starement. Tulane defeated both LSU and Ole Miss this season.
 
ursusminor said:
Although UConn is certainly capable of also having a bad day on the turnover section of the stat sheet, I think the key here is the juxtaposition of the two numbers. UConn, on the same day that they just couldn't shoot the whole first quarter, also buckled down and only had one turnover for the whole half. They didn't fall apart and let the poor shooting go to their heads; they actually tightened up their performance in other parts of the game. It was actually Tulane who kept dribbling the ball off their foot. A elss disciplined team would have collapsed and let the situation snowball with more turnovers and bad plays than average, not fewer.
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I wholeheartedly agree... this is what I think is Tn's problem, but with the talent they have they shouldn't have lost even if they're "off a little"
 
The biggest problem both the Tenn team and their coach share is the weight of the LV history. When DD transfered in she was treated like the prodigal daughter returning home to lead her team to glory. Wildly optimistic expectations, when they go unmet, lead to frustration and anger.
 
Fiftyish said:
Very good article. Writer makes some accurate points. Only quibble I have is his comment, "Historically, Tennessee is still the most prestigious program." I'm not buying that.
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Well, if you mean ANCIENT history---
 
Diamond and Cooper looking pretty good against Georgia. Georgia is married to a "former" South Carolina asst. coach, who left the Gamecocks to be closer to his wife. being engrossed with coach a top team wouldnt be healthy for his marriage.
 
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Georgia played man to man instead of going zone against Tennessee and this being Senior Day is most likely the reason for this victory. This game is confirmation bias for the Tenn fans that believe Holly should just let Diamond do her thing. IMO, this game is no more than fools gold for those that believe Tennessee should just let Diamond do her thing.
 
Barbie was the teams leading rebounder and Engram was 3rd. Neither played. Today Tenn had as nearly many offensive rebounds (20) as Georgia had defensively (24).

From what ESPN says, Tenn will play S Carolina if they win their first game in the SEC tournament. I seriously doubt they will out-rebound the Gamecocks
 
I know, I know...Diamond is a volume shooter
But: The little of the game I watched.
I saw Diamond do a little back and forth move a la Maya (heresy)
And swish the jumper.
Of course her next shot was a poorly conceived, out-of-range air ball
Fortunately, offensively boarded.
But, surely, Geno would have found a way to educate her into winning BB
 
Georgia was pretty awful, although missing Barbie and Engram was certainly a factor. Just couldn't figure out what the Georgia PG was trying to accomplish, particularly in the 1st quarter, when she seemed determined to dribble over to the sideline and getting herself trapped. I thought after the first few times she might realize that was not a very good idea.

If I'm not mistaken, based on the SEC tiebreaker rules, Tennessee may have managed to sneak into 7th place in the SEC which means they get Arkansas in the 2nd round.
 
toadfoot said:
If I'm not mistaken, based on the SEC tiebreaker rules, Tennessee may have managed to sneak into 7th place in the SEC which means they get Arkansas in the 2nd round.
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That is a really big deal for Tennessee. Most importantly, it means they would avoid a quarterfinal matchup against South Carolina. If they can get past Arkansas, then they'll play Texas A&M in the quarters instead. It's actually not at all hard to envision Tennessee getting to the final.

Missouri, conversely, blew a chance to control its own destiny, in terms of avoiding an SC quarterfinal. Mizzou lost at home today to Vanderbilt. Ouch.
 
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Plebe said:
That is a really big deal for Tennessee. Most importantly, it means they would avoid a quarterfinal matchup against South Carolina. If they can get past Arkansas, then they'll play Texas A&M in the quarters instead. It's actually not at all hard to envision Tennessee getting to the final.

Missouri, conversely, blew a chance to control its own destiny, in terms of avoiding an SC quarterfinal. Mizzou lost at home today to Vanderbilt. Ouch.
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It's also not that hard to envision Tennessee losing the the 1st round.
 
calpedaler said:
It's also not that hard to envision Tennessee losing the the 1st round.
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This team is like a box of chocolates. Rather bitter chocolate, perhaps.
 
Although I thought that the Tennessee fans were going overboard in protecting their complete demise after one loss to Alabama, I find it mind boggling that some of the Tennessee fans are now predicting a final four appearance after one win over a team like Georgia. Interesting.
 
They really are quite unpredictable.
If their Micky-D All-Stars get some swag back after their disastrous season
They could be a handful
But remember...Silly Georgia insisted on man-to-man
When everyone knows that any zone confounds UTenn
 
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Holly should stick to that starting 5, If Diamond hits her first shot she has a good game, if she misses the pouting begins and it's all over.
 
msf22b said:
They really are quite unpredictable.
If their Micky-D All-Stars get some swag back after their disastrous season
They could be a handful
But remember...Silly Georgia insisted on man-to-man
When everyone knows that any zone confounds UTenn
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UGA is not a good zone team. They almost exclusively play man to man.
 
SCGamecock said:
UGA is not a good zone team. They almost exclusively play man to man.
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Yup - the 'we do one thing, and we do it pretty poorly' philosophy of coaching! :eek::rolleyes:

msf22b said:
But remember...Silly Georgia insisted on man-to-man
When everyone knows that any zone confounds UTenn
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It really does amaze me on two counts:
1. Teams that do get to scout their opponents can look at any film of TN and not see that they can play very well against a man defense because they have athletic guards and wings that can drive but not consistently hit jump shots. And then they insist on playing exclusively man defense - Oregon State and I think Missouri both took this approach and lost on their home courts. I think it was the MissSt game where they waited to get down by 13 before finally deciding that maybe a zone would be a good idea, and came back to win in the fourth.

2. That TN which has seen a steady diet of zone defense has apparently not spent any practice time trying to learn how to play effective offense against a zone.
 
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