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Tarris Reed not being utilized

navery12 said:
We tried that earlier in the year, and we got absolutely roasted on defense. There's a reason we don't go zone, and it's because it was even worse than the man to man defense
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Message received!! No Zones for us.
 
FreeKlaiber said:
I think having it ready and using it for a handful of possessions is beneficial. Of course our defensive identity is man. But a quick zone look change causes other coach/team to reconfigure, on fly, new offense they will use to attack it. For years a lot of coaches changed up defenses with mades/misses. Look at Pitino, still one of the best technicians out there, he gives different looks throughout the game,.

No one is saying zone all the time is an answer for us, that's a Boeheim straw man. Just a couple times a game. Or next time an opposing coach goes 5 out offense and focuses on picking on Mahaney or our weak link for drive after drive to the rim, throw a 1-2-2 halfcourt or a 1-3-1 or 2-3 matchup out for a couple of possessions. I'm afraid of our guards getting posted up in tourney. I've already watched what Teddy Allen and Eric Ayala can do in an ISO. It is a philosophy of some old school coaches that zone or junk defenses are pointless. But Danny's won 2 championships in a row, so its honestly pointless to even make this post, but here we are lol.
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I agree in principle, I'm just not sure how effective a strategy it is. In theory it makes sense to use it as a strategy to try to hide the defensive deficiencies, but it limits the impact of our good defenders. And I'd rather keep using practice time to improve the weaker defenders, that's already been paying dividends with those improvements
 
navery12 said:
I agree in principle, I'm just not sure how effective a strategy it is. In theory it makes sense to use it as a strategy to try to hide the defensive deficiencies, but it limits the impact of our good defenders. And I'd rather keep using practice time to improve the weaker defenders, that's already been paying dividends with those improvements
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Many here have been begging for different athletes to get playing time, wanting to see how they play(Mad Nowell #1). The latest is Abraham. The zone advocates are the same. They won't be satisfied until it is proven or disproven. Not a hill to die on for me, just more message board fun for Boneyard loonies. I think if given a chance, it would be a weapon. Probably not going to see it, as you have pointed out, it's not in our DNA.
 
navery12 said:
I agree in principle, I'm just not sure how effective a strategy it is. In theory it makes sense to use it as a strategy to try to hide the defensive deficiencies, but it limits the impact of our good defenders. And I'd rather keep using practice time to improve the weaker defenders, that's already been paying dividends with those improvements
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Thats the best point really. To run anything but a vanilla 2-3 in a game it takes practice time away from your oob plays or new sets or whatever else etc. I coached for awhile & just keeping 3 second plays or pressbreakers fresh throughout yr takes valuable practice time.

I guess I'm unfortunately on the record that I'm not sure this roster construction can improve the "high pressure no help man" to the point we can make a run. Just height and foot speed alone. As opposing coach, id just spread court, and drive/ISO with their better athletes Jay Wright style on our weak spot. I dont think we can stop it unless we start helping & then giving up 3's on the help. Sure hope I'm wrong. A bad year for Clingan to leave as we have been a turnstile on any team that just wants to go 5 out iso. He'd be averaging 7 blocks a game lol
 
I hate to give those two dudes from the Big X pod credit, but they called it. They said that when he was on, he was awesome, but that he would disappear from the game for long stretches. Dude should dominate every single minute he is out there.
 
Iluvsuebird said:
I hate to give those two dudes from the Big X pod credit, but they called it. They said that when he was on, he was awesome, but that he would disappear from the game for long stretches. Dude should dominate every single minute he is out there.
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He's one of the most productive per minute bigs in the conference.
 
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Huskyforlife said:
He's one of the most productive per minute bigs in the conference.
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Yes, but has a history of good half/bad half from his Michigan years.

Assuredly Hurley knows this so until he can go 30+ min of "on productivity" it will be game-plan based between him and Johnson.
 


Two-headed center monsters rule. I love how different their games are and how we can play one more based on the matchups. Reed is a beast on the boards, ranking even higher nationally than I realized.
 
ToolzieFan said:


Two-headed center monsters rule. I love how different their games are and how we can play one more based on the matchups. Reed is a beast on the boards, ranking even higher nationally than I realized.
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Wow imagine if he got starter PT. Wow.
 
Everytime Reed was in the game, Crieghton dominated. Reed was not necessarily the reason per se but the disparity of quality minutes between the centers was glaring.
 
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slepers said:
He was disinterested this game
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Did he throw another pass away at the top to a guy who was moving?

Either it’s going to take a full year to rewire this kid to build some discipline or he’s just aloof. 2 TOs, 3 fouls, 0-3 from field, net -15 in 15 minutes. Right now he’s like a box of chocolates, you don’t know what you’re gonna get.
 
HuskyFich said:
Tarris Reed struggled mightily on defense.
Yes, he had blocks early. Then Nova went 5 out and it absolutely destroyed him.
Samson isn't great in a 5-out either.

Stew looked like an all-american defenseman last night against Dixon...without him we lose by 25.

Liam is such a safety blanket on defense as well.
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When Eric Rebus arrives next year on campus we'll be much better in the frontcourt. Reed, Rebus, and Singsre at center. Setwart at PF. McNeeley at SF.
 
Hoophound said:
McNeeley will be long gone.
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Roster next year is:

Reibe/Reed/Seng
Stew/Isiah
Ross/Mullins/Furphy
Solo/Adams
Ahmad/Mahaney

I can’t see Mahaney sticking. That roster scares the cr@p out me as young, slight and zero leadership.
 
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Marat said:
What happened to Tarris the bear on offense ?
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superjohn said:
Revisiting this...

Reed's scoring output for his past 6 games.

7,4,10, 6, 2, 0

He's never taken more than 5 shots in any of these games. Makes this makes sense...
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Reed Jr never looked comfortable in this game against Creighton unfortunately on either end of the court. If you look at my post in the "Creighton Scouting report" thread you will see where I thought he could make an impact

Having said that, if you look at his game logs, you will see has not taken more than 5 shots in a game in the last 6 games. The last time he took more than that was against Xavier by going 7-11. I do think he is being underutilized in the post area on offense. He would be a solid go to guy when the offense breaks down, not as good as Sanogo, but good enough.
 
When Sanogo was our #1 center, Creighton was able to exploit the high hedge as they set Kalkbrenner's pick further out than normal and exploited the shorter center's length when trying to defend K a's Kalkbrenner's roll. They did the same with Reed. Ine if the positives of SJ was that he was able to defend a high hedge and get back to make the passes to Kalkbrenner difficult (they threw a couple away).

Reed needs to learn how to use his assets (strength, moves, touch) when playing a center like Kalkbrenner. He seemed to wilt when challenged.
 
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Agreed FFC fan. Tarris not a tough guy, and the high hedge is somewhat useful but not for everybody. I made myself believe in the high hedge, but reality is I don't. I watch both Sam and Tarris scrambling to get back after hedging, and it looks like a chinese fire drill. I don't see how they can get set and be effective down low when they are not even sure where they have to go at first after they hedge.
 
The only problem with the high hedge is the corner defenders needing to leave good shooters to tag the roller. It’s been explained a million times on this board why we do it, and we’ve seen it be very effective in what it tries to accomplish.

It works when we make the right rotations, or the corner defender tags and recovers correctly, or the shooter in the corner isn’t a threat. Kalk and ashworth showed their experience last game by making the right pass to stress our defense, most guys don’t have the ability or experience to consistently make the right read like that.

Tarris should probably play drop though, Samson is good enough at hedging that having two different looks on defense, like last year, would probably be a weapon for us.
 
FfldCntyFan said:
When Sanogo was our #1 center, Creighton was able to exploit the high hedge as they set Kalkbrenner's pick further out than normal and exploited the shorter center's length when trying to defend K a's Kalkbrenner's roll. They did the same with Reed. Ine if the positives of Samson Johnson was that he was able to defend a high hedge and get back to make the passes to Kalkbrenner difficult (they threw a couple away).

Reed needs to learn how to use his assets (strength, moves, touch) when playing a center like Kalkbrenner. He seemed to wilt when challenged.
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I don’t understand why we hedged at all, let Kalkbrenner beat us with the 3. Send the center to the paint to defend the pick and roll where he routinely can get a high percentage shot.
 
CTBasketball said:
I don’t understand why we hedged at all, let Kalkbrenner beat us with the 3. Send the center to the paint to defend the pick and roll where he routinely can get a high percentage shot.
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Creighton eats the hedge for lunch every year. Feels like Creighton is Hurley's Kryptonite.

At least when we don't have a generationally gifted team.
 
CTBasketball said:
I don’t understand why we hedged at all, let Kalkbrenner beat us with the 3. Send the center to the paint to defend the pick and roll where he routinely can get a high percentage shot.
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We limited Ashworth and Kalkbrenner to some of their lowest shot totals of the season and we made the other guys beat us. Neal beat us and we didn't make the crucial 3s with the game on the line at home (missed 6 of the last 7).
 
If you make the post game a part of your game it pays dividends.

With this year's rosters, sometimes I'd rather have Reed on the block and Karaban shooting 3's, than Reed just setting screens at top of key and AK driving. Reed does disappear when doesnt get ball, but only time he really disappointed on low block was vs Kalkenbrenner.

It was clear this thread would age well
 
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