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LETTERL said:
The ACC plays 18 games. Next season, everyone will play everyone else once and one team, their designated rival, twice. Not sure how it will shake out with Stanford but I imagine they'll alternate years with 10 and 8 home games...although with Cal being so close, maybe it will be split up evenly 9 and 9.

Next year, NC State plays Cal and Stanford over a Thursday/Sunday weekend on the west coast. I think the plan is for the east coast teams designated for road games at Cal and Stanford to travel in pairs, so that while one team is playing Cal on the Thursday, the other can play Stanford and then switch for the Sunday game.

But Cal and Stanford will have to make, at a minimum, three trips to the east coast for conference games.
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I certainly hope they arrange it so Stanford and Cal also a have minimum two game in each swing east and play home and home with each other every year. They could also minimize the travel disruptions by scheduling one of the trips over Christmas break, and one over winter/spring break. They might even squeeze six games into the two breaks in classes.

What will likely suffer are home/home OOC games against SEC teams and any other teams east of the Rockies. At least they can play the west coast teams in the Big10 OOC
 
LETTERL said:
The ACC plays 18 games. Next season, everyone will play everyone else once and one team, their designated rival, twice. Not sure how it will shake out with Stanford but I imagine they'll alternate years with 10 and 8 home games...although with Cal being so close, maybe it will be split up evenly 9 and 9.

Next year, NC State plays Cal and Stanford over a Thursday/Sunday weekend on the west coast. I think the plan is for the east coast teams designated for road games at Cal and Stanford to travel in pairs, so that while one team is playing Cal on the Thursday, the other can play Stanford and then switch for the Sunday game.

But Cal and Stanford will have to make, at a minimum, three trips to the east coast for conference games.
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As was mentioned above, that is the model the PAC followed, traveling partners determined by geography (Arizona, Washington and Oregon school pairs, LA schools, Bay Area schools, and mountain schools). For Stanford and Cal this will probably work.

I actually think some of the other odd conference situations may be worse travel.
 
Wow, just seeing the news now! Crazy. I had seen speculation here and elsewhere that she might retire this season, but I expected her to go another couple of years and then hang it up. Which probably would have happened had the PAC-12 never dissolved.

A true legend of the sport. Not many of the "old guard" of coaching is still left.
 
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During her press conference, she also gave a shoutout to Auriemma for being one of the many coaches of her generation who she looked up to and appreciated (she also name checked Summit, Ceal Barry and Jody Conradt, among others).

Kiki Irifiafen had asked her what her favorite "Tara-ism" was overall these years and while she said it depended on who she was talking to, one that she mentioned that had me cracking up was "Hey, they made 'Dumb & Dumber'... and you weren't in it!'

Such a bittersweet day.
 
uconnfan68 said:
Geno did 2 runs as national team coach. How many should he add?
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When Tara was the coach of the Olympic team they were not allowed to coach their college team at the time. When Geno did it they were allowed to stay as head coach, so there is no games that he missed as a coach. Tara missed a complete season, she was still considered as the head coach so she still got the wins and losses.

The Olympic team traveled around the Country playing games during the regular season back then and also had their practices so it was not possible to coach her team. One of the reasons why they changed it was because of the formation of the WNBA after the Olympics and the other is because they actually did a complete revamping of the way the National teams both Men's and Women's practiced and were assembled.
 
uconnfan68 said:
Not fair. They get paid, and many would do it for free (once or twice), just for the opportunity.
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I like travel. got over hating flying, that is until recently when parts starting falling off models I fly on. I don’t get paid, quite the opposite. Going cross country in a month on a Boeing model that has been in the news. Keeping my seat belt fastened. I have Tara by a few years, too.
 
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DefenseBB said:
OMG, just like the annoying PAC12 announcers, the hubris that Stanford and the network shows by stating “GOAT” is astounding. She CURRENTLY has the most wins so if you want to state “Winningest” Coach of all time fine but under NO CIRCUMSTANCES is she the GOAT.

In the pantheon of WCBB she currently ranks 4th and will soon be 5th behind Geno, Pat, Kim and soon-Dawn.

That is still unbelievable but nowhere near GOAT status.

Thanks for a truly remarkable career and for your huge, contributions to Women’s basketball (College, Olympics and launch of professional). You will be missed.
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Get where you're coming from, but at the same time the term GOAT is used liberally by everyone. It's used with anyone who has had an exemplary career (Wooden, Auriemma, Coach Krzyzewski, etc.).

In this case, it's appropriate from the vantage point of Stanford and the impact she's had for the university. Before she got on campus, the investments in women's sports there paled in comparison. The WBB scholarships program are funded via an endowment, which is rare. She forced the athletic department to look at women's sports differently and their various programs have benefitted from it. To Stanford, she's their GOAT.
 
HuskyFan1125 said:
The disassembling of the PAC 12 is having vast ripple effects. Players, coaches, and schools.

Such a shame and all for football $$$
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Ahhhh, well.
 
ThisJustIn said:
How many games did he miss?
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Probably zero. The original post said the national team games were added to TVD's total. Geno had a few of them too. At least 2 runs through Olympic gold.
 
cohenzone said:
I like travel. got over hating flying, that is until recently when parts starting falling off models I fly on. I don’t get paid, quite the opposite. Going cross country in a month on a Boeing model that has been in the news. Keeping my seat belt fastened. I have Tara by a few years, too.
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I haven't liked it since they outlawed smoking and drinking on half empty planes.
 
MSGRET said:
When Tara was the coach of the Olympic team they were not allowed to coach their college team at the time. When Geno did it they were allowed to stay as head coach, so there is no games that he missed as a coach. Tara missed a complete season, she was still considered as the head coach so she still got the wins and losses.

The Olympic team traveled around the Country playing games during the regular season back then and also had their practices so it was not possible to coach her team. One of the reasons why they changed it was because of the formation of the WNBA after the Olympics and the other is because they actually did a complete revamping of the way the National teams both Men's and Women's practiced and were assembled.
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incorrect. She did NOT get the wins and losses! Unlike say a coach who was sick and did not coach several games but got the ones (GA).
 
uconnfan68 said:
Probably zero. The original post said the national team games were added to TVD's total. Geno had a few of them too. At least 2 runs through Olympic gold.
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NCAA career coaching records do not include results from Olympic/National team tenures. Separate things.
 
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The NCAA totals are for college games coached at any division level, but not games coached for NT or WNBA or HS, etc. They include all games in a season for an NCAA team except exhibition games. And they include games missed for illness or other reason from a coach under contract for the full year.

The issue specific to Tara and I believe she is the only USA Team coach who has done this, was that she took a leave of absence for the year prior to the Olympics in 1996. Because she did not coach Stanford for the 1995-96 season, the wins Stanford compiled that year are not included in her career win total. The Wiki page on Tara lists that season in her list of seasons coached, but the totals at the bottom of the page do not include either the wins or losses from that year.

In context:
The USA Women's NT had fallen on 'hard times' international in the previous WC and Olympics, and the feeling was assembling a team a few weeks before the Olympics wasn't good enough any more. So a national team was assembled in 1995 and played all year against both international teams and against US college teams. Tara (reluctantly on her part?) was chosen as HC. This was the last Olympics before the US had a professional league for women that allowed for home grown professionals to hone their skills between NT events. Since then, the idea of a pool of NT players meeting for training sessions multiple times a year has taken the place of the experiment that was the 1995-6 full year 'season' for the NT team. No NT coach since Tara has found it necessary to take a leave of absence from their college or pro coaching job.
 
I'm not trying to ruffle anyone's feathers, but I truly believe that Tara retired now while she was still the winningest WCB coach. Geno was going to pass her this coming year without a doubt so she retires being on top now before the title changes hands.
As for Geno retiring, that's not happening anytime soon. He was definitely the Coach of the Year for the job he did with this great but depleted squad and now with Paige, Sarah, and a half dozen reinforcements as well, it's going to be back to UConn against the world. I could see another 4-peat coming and only the best of the best coming to play for Geno.
This year's team got robbed for a ratings match-up and these young ladies fought too hard and too valiantly only to be robbed in plain sight. Geno is used to being robbed as COTY, but he'll not forget what they did to this squad of Huskies. He'll be back with a vengeance and coaching these ladies like nobody else. Uconn is back to being Titletown USA! Next season can't come soon enough for me!
 
SqueaksFan said:
I'm not trying to ruffle anyone's feathers, but I truly believe that Tara retired now while she was still the winningest WCB coach. Geno was going to pass her this coming year without a doubt so she retires being on top now before the title changes hands.
As for Geno retiring, that's not happening anytime soon. He was definitely the Coach of the Year for the job he did with this great but depleted squad and now with Paige, Sarah, and a half dozen reinforcements as well, it's going to be back to UConn against the world. I could see another 4-peat coming and only the best of the best coming to play for Geno.
This year's team got robbed for a ratings match-up and these young ladies fought too hard and too valiantly only to be robbed in plain sight. Geno is used to being robbed as COTY, but he'll not forget what they did to this squad of Huskies. He'll be back with a vengeance and coaching these ladies like nobody else. Uconn is back to being Titletown USA! Next season can't come soon enough for me!
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The ratings "fix" theory seems to be interchangeable depending on which fan base wants to leverage it. Some Iowa fans are claiming this on their board regarding the team's loss in the championship game. I'm sure there are LSU fans thinking the same regarding their team's loss to Iowa. I have a hard time believing that's the case when you hear the same complaint from different fan bases.
 
DefenseBB said:
OMG, just like the annoying PAC12 announcers, the hubris that Stanford and the network shows by stating “GOAT” is astounding. She CURRENTLY has the most wins so if you want to state “Winningest” Coach of all time fine but under NO CIRCUMSTANCES is she the GOAT.

In the pantheon of WCBB she currently ranks 4th and will soon be 5th behind Geno, Pat, Kim and soon-Dawn.

That is still unbelievable but nowhere near GOAT status.

Thanks for a truly remarkable career and for your huge, contributions to Women’s basketball (College, Olympics and launch of professional). You will be missed.
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When I think I’ve seen the most narrow-minded and petty UConn fan, someone comes along to prove I was wrong.

You’re complaining because Stanford is showing well-deserved respect to one of the best coaches in the sport, a member of wcbb old guard that had a hand in making the sport what it is today. Certainly Coach V is GOAT at Stanford. Tara worked hard for and deserves the respect shown to her.

Man!
 
cancontent said:
The ratings "fix" theory seems to be interchangeable depending on which fan base wants to leverage it. Some Iowa fans are claiming this on their board regarding the team's loss in the championship game. I'm sure there are LSU fans thinking the same regarding their team's loss to Iowa. I have a hard time believing that's the case when you hear the same complaint from different fan bases.
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I don't believe it matters whether it's 1 or 2 fan bases complaining. They've built Clark up to be the greatest basketball player of all time and there's no doubt that she brings ratings when Iowa plays. The powers that be wanted Iowa vs undefeated S. Carolina and that's what they got. They didn't care how many toes got stepped on.
I know what I saw and they stole the game against UConn. I'm certainly not the only one who witnessed this blatant theft. Athletes from various sports were remarking on Twitter how UConn was robbed and they weren't exactly UConn fans. It was too obvious, but they didn't care. They certainly got the ratings they desired and that's all that mattered to them.
 
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SqueaksFan said:
I don't believe it matters whether it's 1 or 2 fan bases complaining. They've built Clark up to be the greatest basketball player of all time and there's no doubt that she brings ratings when Iowa plays. The powers that be wanted Iowa vs undefeated S. Carolina and that's what they got. They didn't care how many toes got stepped on.
I know what I saw and they stole the game against UConn. I'm certainly not the only one who witnessed this blatant theft. Athletes from various sports were remarking on Twitter how UConn was robbed and they weren't exactly UConn fans. It was too obvious, but they didn't care. They certainly got the ratings they desired and that's all that mattered to them.
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You're entitled to your perspective. However, with various fan bases grousing that the fix was in for their respective team at different points of the tournament indicates something different to me.

It reminds me of a saying a former boss of mine had. When both sides aren't fully satisfied with a deal after tense negotiations, it's likely to be the fairest deal possible. In this case, with various fan bases complaining the fix was in for their respective team, the NCAA selection committee did a better job with the brackets than some will give them credit for.
 
SqueaksFan said:
I'm not trying to ruffle anyone's feathers, but I truly believe that Tara retired now while she was still the winningest WCB coach. Geno was going to pass her this coming year without a doubt so she retires being on top now before the title changes hands.
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I may view the world through biased homer Cardinal-colored glasses, but I truly don't think so. Tara said at her retirement press conference when asked that she'll look forward to Geno passing her because "records are made to be broken." She expressly thanked Geno as among the WCBB coaches who were her peers and elevated the game, and I'm fully confident she will record a video tribute to him when he passes her record this fall. Let's please bury the hatchet while at least one of the two of them is still actively coaching in the game.
 
TheFarmFan said:
I may view the world through biased homer Cardinal-colored glasses, but I truly don't think so. Tara said at her retirement press conference when asked that she'll look forward to Geno passing her because "records are made to be broken." She expressly thanked Geno as among the WCBB coaches who were her peers and elevated the game, and I'm fully confident she will record a video tribute to him when he passes her record this fall. Let's please bury the hatchet while at least one of the two of them is still actively coaching in the game.
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Always a class act
Looks to be in great shape and ready for a change!
And I’m happy she made the decision
While I’m sure she would ever admit I suspect
Nil and the portal was not of much interest to her
Re the wins record it’s just media hype!!
 
TheFarmFan said:
I may view the world through biased homer Cardinal-colored glasses, but I truly don't think so. Tara said at her retirement press conference when asked that she'll look forward to Geno passing her because "records are made to be broken." She expressly thanked Geno as among the WCBB coaches who were her peers and elevated the game, and I'm fully confident she will record a video tribute to him when he passes her record this fall. Let's please bury the hatchet while at least one of the two of them is still actively coaching in the game.
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There's no hatchet to bury. Tara retired as the winningest coach of all time. Had she waited to retire an additional season, she wouldn't be able to say that. It kind of goes without saying. Geno was going to pass her no matter what. Retiring with the title (albeit briefly) has meaning for her, no doubt.
I'm a UConn fan, not a Stanford fan. Geno and CD are the all-time greatest coaches in NCAA WCB. It's an honor for Tara to be mentioned with their names.
 
SqueaksFan said:
There's no hatchet to bury. Tara retired as the winningest coach of all time. Had she waited to retire an additional season, she wouldn't be able to say that. It kind of goes without saying. Geno was going to pass her no matter what. Retiring with the title (albeit briefly) has meaning for her, no doubt.
I'm a UConn fan, not a Stanford fan. Geno and CD are the all-time greatest coaches in NCAA WCB. It's an honor for Tara to be mentioned with their names.
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I’m a UConn fan too. Your take on Tara could not be more wrong. Tara was a HC well before Geno, and her career is a testament to her hard work and success. While we UConn fans may consider Geno and CD to be the best coaches in WBB, suggesting that, “It’s an honor for Tara to be mentioned with their names” is the type of petty and ungracious remark that causes fans of other teams to think UConn fans lack class.

I suggest you take your lead from Geno, who could not have been more gracious in his remarks about Tara and Stanford basketball following the news of her retirement. We can in fact root intensely for the Huskies while praising their opponents, particularly an opponent who competed so intensely against UConn for so many seasons.
 
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SqueaksFan said:
There's no hatchet to bury. Tara retired as the winningest coach of all time. Had she waited to retire an additional season, she wouldn't be able to say that. It kind of goes without saying. Geno was going to pass her no matter what. Retiring with the title (albeit briefly) has meaning for her, no doubt.
I'm a UConn fan, not a Stanford fan. Geno and CD are the all-time greatest coaches in NCAA WCB. It's an honor for Tara to be mentioned with their names.
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Maybe I’m like FarmFan, but I think Tara’s career is a testament to her hard work and dedication. Not many people would’ve been able to coach at Stanford and maintain relevance on such a large scale. Tara and Stanford were the perfect match. What she was able to do for decades with Stanford’s academic restrictions is truly something to marvel.
 
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