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Secondary wasn't as bad as they looked but safety play needs much improvement. When you can't generate any pressure, it kills your secondary.

I am struggling to think of who is going to emerge as a speed rusher.
 
You're right that there are certain things which are based on certain people's "perspective" but there are others that were "facts" that can't be debated (appreciating that there are those in today's world who no longer consider basic facts to be considered as such).

We lost two 3 year starters from our OL. We lost our best safety in Obi and we also graduated our two starting corners. These are indisputable realities. If Donovan Williams ends up being our only option at QB that means we've got a guy who completed less than 50% of his passes for less than 4 yards per attempt and a QB rating of 71.7.

Of course, there are new guys who might step up and I sure hope they do. It's an unknown.

I love your enthusiasm and you are welcome to consider your "reality" in any way you want to. For my part, I try to manage my expectations so I don't end up being so bitterly disappointed. If we go 10-2, I'd be astonished / thrilled. 2-10 and I'd be disappointed but not shocked.

Look, obviously we need a QB. But it's otherwise not as bad as you imply.

On the OL, we return 5 guys who have been starters at various times. Yes, we lose Thor, but Levy was in and out of the starting line up and never impressed anyone. I would have expected better OL play this year even without a coaching change.

On specials, a punter is a punter and the one we lost was fine but not an All American. And at kicker, while Puyol developed well we know Tarbutt basically kicked him equally in the lead up to the 16 season because he started the year as the long kicker. We may have a step back at both positions, but it shouldn't be a panic.

The DB situation is certainly iffy, but if we want we can start two Corners who have been good starters in the transfer Bell and Summers, and in college football you do lose players every year. We have Robinson, Watkins and McAllister who have all played plenty, and a bunch of young pups who may help.

Lashlee's system goes nowhere without a QB who can run it. If we go into the season with a QB who I think can be an average AAC performer, I will be optimistic going into the season. But we don't know yet that such will be the case. If we are lining up on opening day with Williams, I will be rooting for the young man but I don't see how anyone can be confident.
 
Secondary wasn't as bad as they looked but safety play needs much improvement. When you can't generate any pressure, it kills your secondary.

I am struggling to think of who is going to emerge as a speed rusher.

In a 4-3-3, I would guess that Luke and Stapleton become the 2 ends, Ormsby either plays short yardage at DE and/or gets moved to DT, and Levenberry, Joseph and Diggs are at LB. That increases our front 7 speed, but it's still not enough. Unless we haven't seen him yet, neither P nor Diaco recruited the Osunde, Cody Brown, Campbell, Trevardo undersized weakside DEs that Edsall always used to have a pass rush.

If I was recruiting the grad transfer/JUCO market to plug a few holes (and we both know Edsall isn't a huge fan of that but did do it in rare instances), order of priority would be:

1. A QB, unless we can get Shirreffs back on the field, in which case this slides to #2.

2. A speedrusher DE; and

3. One more OT.
 
In a 4-3-3, I would guess that Luke and Stapleton become the 2 ends, Ormsby either plays short yardage at DE and/or gets moved to DT, and Levenberry, Joseph and Diggs are at LB. That increases our front 7 speed, but it's still not enough. Unless we haven't seen him yet, neither P nor Diaco recruited the Osunde, Cody Brown, Campbell, Trevardo undersized weakside DEs that Edsall always used to have a pass rush.

If I was recruiting the grad transfer/JUCO market to plug a few holes (and we both know Edsall isn't a huge fan of that but did do it in rare instances), order of priority would be:

1. A QB, unless we can get Shirreffs back on the field, in which case this slides to #2.

2. A speedrusher DE; and

3. One more OT.
BL you are missing a player with the 4-3-3...as for WDE I think Carrazola can be the kid of difference maker you say isn't on the roster. He just needs to focus on rushing the QB and not dropping back into pass coverage.
 
Look, obviously we need a QB. But it's otherwise not as bad as you imply.

On the OL, we return 5 guys who have been starters at various times. Yes, we lose Thor, but Levy was in and out of the starting line up and never impressed anyone. I would have expected better OL play this year even without a coaching change.

On specials, a punter is a punter and the one we lost was fine but not an All American. And at kicker, while Puyol developed well we know Tarbutt basically kicked him equally in the lead up to the 16 season because he started the year as the long kicker. We may have a step back at both positions, but it shouldn't be a panic.

The DB situation is certainly iffy, but if we want we can start two Corners who have been good starters in the transfer Bell and Summers, and in college football you do lose players every year. We have Robinson, Watkins and McAllister who have all played plenty, and a bunch of young pups who may help.

Lashlee's system goes nowhere without a QB who can run it. If we go into the season with a QB who I think can be an average AAC performer, I will be optimistic going into the season. But we don't know yet that such will be the case. If we are lining up on opening day with Williams, I will be rooting for the young man but I don't see how anyone can be confident.

From what I have read...Lashlee's system is not that complicated. I read that Auburn ran only 5 plays or so. Hopefully that means it shouldn't be hard for the Qb to quickly get acclimated.
 
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BL you are missing a player with the 4-3-3...as for WDE I think Carrazola can be the kid of difference maker you say isn't on the roster. He just needs to focus on rushing the QB and not dropping back into pass coverage.

He doesn't have the speed as a rusher. High effort player who can set the edge and who's intensity is contagious.
 
He doesn't have the speed as a rusher. High effort player who can set the edge and who's intensity is contagious.


I disagree, while he is no trevardo williams he has enough speed to get there i honestly dont believe they were tought pass rushing technique or were told not to take risks and let the back end of the defense make the plays. i think he is primed to have a big year
 
From what I have read...Lashlee's system is not that complicated. I read that Auburn ran only 5 plays or so. Hopefully that means it shouldn't be hard for the Qb to quickly get acclimated.


yup I posted all of their game tape earlier, its the same handful of plays but they are run in mult. formations and they are almost like the triple option in the sense that it has different people you can get the ball to in the same play.
 
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Maybe it's just time, but I believe in Williams. He was a true freshman who was forced to step in when he wasn't ready.
 
He doesn't have the speed as a rusher. High effort player who can set the edge and who's intensity is contagious.

I don't think we know what a lot of our players are capable of. Let's ask them to do some things, give them time and training to prepare and then watch them compete. What they have been asked to do is not always an accurate reflection of what they are able to do.
 
Maybe it's just time, but I believe in Williams. He was a true freshman who was forced to step in when he wasn't ready.

Honest question. What from last season makes you believe in Williams? We're there any positives? I am hoping he improves dramatically but can't find anything in last years performance that gives me hope.
 
Maybe it's just time, but I believe in Williams. He was a true freshman who was forced to step in when he wasn't ready.

I agree he wasn't ready but his decision making is what bothered me the most.

From just dumping it of to a back on a check down to throwing it away, nothing seemed natural. Even when he was deciding to run or not, he seemed very unsure. Again, probably just not ready.

In a spread QB/read, run first offense, we will need a QB that has natural instincts to go with the athleticism.

Haven't seen enough of him but, from what I've seen, I'm not sure he's instinctual in terms of football IQ. I hope I'm wrong.
 
I agree he wasn't ready but his decision making is what bothered me the most.

From just dumping it of to a back on a check down to throwing it away, nothing seemed natural. Even when he was deciding to run or not, he seemed very unsure. Again, probably just not ready.

In a spread QB/read, run first offense, we will need a QB that has natural instincts to go with the athleticism.

Haven't seen enough of him but, from what I've seen, I'm not sure he's instinctual in terms of football IQ. I hope I'm wrong.
That whole situation was a cluster. You demote your OC, promote a new coach to OC, and replace your injured QB with a true freshman while installing a new offense.

Right then and there I'm sure Benedict began having doubts.

Diaco should have let Verducci coach out the string with Anderson at QB, instead he gave us that BS about Williams going into his office talking about taking the team to the next level.

It was overall next level stupidity is what I think he meant.
 
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That whole situation was a cluster. You demote your OC, promote a new coach to OC, and replace your injured QB with a true freshman while installing a new offense.

Right then and there I'm sure Benedict began having doubts.

Diaco should have let Verducci coach out the string with Anderson at QB, instead he gave us that BS about Williams going into his office talking about taking the team to the next level.

It was overall next level stupidity is what I think he meant.

I'm pretty sure Benedict started having doubts during the Maine game....
 
That whole situation was a cluster. You demote your OC, promote a new coach to OC, and replace your injured QB with a true freshman while installing a new offense.

Right then and there I'm sure Benedict began having doubts.

Diaco should have let Verducci coach out the string with Anderson at QB, instead he gave us that BS about Williams going into his office talking about taking the team to the next level.

It was overall next level stupidity is what I think he meant.

I agree with this by the way. I don't think Benedict finished the season willing to bring him back and then lost faith in him because he turned down an OC recommendation. I think Benedict finished the season knowing he had to get rid of him, but not having a clue as to how he was going to make it worth financially.

Then, whether it was donors, the Fenway game revenue boost, and/or the surprise that he could get an experienced coach at the base salary level at which he got Edsall, he put together the financial wherewithal to make it happen.
 
Honest question. What from last season makes you believe in Williams? We're there any positives? I am hoping he improves dramatically but can't find anything in last years performance that gives me hope.

Hope?

He is probably 18 years old and faced a daunting task in the worst set of circumstances. If he is persistent and has any character depth, you will find a far different kid in the spring. That is the hope. Nothing wrong with him being tossed in the fire ... because I do not think damaging his ego - given the arc of the transition - is our biggest issue.
 
Hope?

He is probably 18 years old and faced a daunting task in the worst set of circumstances. If he is persistent and has any character depth, you will find a far different kid in the spring. That is the hope. Nothing wrong with him being tossed in the fire ... because I do not think damaging his ego - given the arc of the transition - is our biggest issue.

I'm less willing to write off Williams from what I saw at the end of last season than I was willing to write off Diaco for putting him in that sport.

That having been said, while I'm guessing we find a way to fill next year's starting QB position from Lashlee's rolodex, I would be much, much more confident seeing BS out there against Holy Cross than Williams. He just was not ready, and putting him in a very different offense in the fall is not likely to speed up the process.
 
In a 4-3-3, I would guess that Luke and Stapleton become the 2 ends, Ormsby either plays short yardage at DE and/or gets moved to DT, and Levenberry, Joseph and Diggs are at LB. That increases our front 7 speed, but it's still not enough. Unless we haven't seen him yet, neither P nor Diaco recruited the Osunde, Cody Brown, Campbell, Trevardo undersized weakside DEs that Edsall always used to have a pass rush.

If I was recruiting the grad transfer/JUCO market to plug a few holes (and we both know Edsall isn't a huge fan of that but did do it in rare instances), order of priority would be:

1. A QB, unless we can get Shirreffs back on the field, in which case this slides to #2.

2. A speedrusher DE; and

3. One more OT.

4-3-3. LOL you're thinking of soccer again.
 
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Maybe it's just time, but I believe in Williams. He was a true freshman who was forced to step in when he wasn't ready.
I like the attitude. Some see things sad they are and ask "Why?" You dream things that might be and ask "Why not?"
 
I agree. But he and Stape at DE are as close as we can come with the current roster. And are both much faster than Cole Ormsby, much less Sheridan Lawley.
Me thinks Garson gets moved to DE. He is quick and strong. That 6'7" frame can bat down some balls too.
 
Me too, but mostly because the phrase is 'voice of reason' not voice of reality.

Reality and reason have a lot in common...mostly that they both start with "rea".
 
I agree. But he and Stape at DE are as close as we can come with the current roster. And are both much faster than Cole Ormsby, much less Sheridan Lawley.

I hope we see a lot of Cam and Luke on the field at the same time no matter what scheme we run.
 

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