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I guess I am still waiting for a source for this information. I, like you, don't take someone's opinion as fact..... especially when I have seen differently with my own eyes.
Understandable. I have to say honestly this is why I love The Boneyard. I'm sure we agree on many things. The fact that we perhaps don't agree on this one takes nothing away from either of us. I'm sure however we can both agree that our love for this country informs everything we say.
I'm confused. :confused:

Does this help?

2003 Brandy singing national anthem at Pro Bowl in Hawaii


1997 - LeAnn Rimes - National Anthem


1990 US Soccer - National Anthem from
US Soccer - National Anthem from 1990

1986 ALCS Gm3: Sammy Davis Jr. sings national anthem
1986 ALCS Gm3: Sammy Davis Jr. sings national anthem

1976 WS Gm3: Merrill sings national anthem
1976 WS Gm3: Merrill sings national anthem

1969 superbowl 3 anthem lloyd geisler
superbowl 3 anthem lloyd geisler


There are PLENTY more.

 
You are all going crazy over this. So far as I remember, baseball teams have always been on the field for the National Anthem. I do not recollect that football teams were always on the field, but I do recall them being there "often".

More to our sport - most WBB teams were never on the floor for the anthem for many, many years. They would go into the locker room for final words just prior to the playing of the anthem, which was historically played before game "time" so as not to interfere with television.

What changed that - and probably influenced many other sports - was really (originally) 9/11. Then increasing unrest from the fan base that players were not "out" for the anthem. It was one of several complaints to Rutgers from the fan club there over the years.

As for myself, I'll say it again. I stand proudly for the anthem because I am proud of my country. I don't think my country is "perfect", but I can't think of any other country that would compare. Part of being proud of my country is being proud that it permits athletes (or others) to take the protest form they have, which I don't consider disrespectful, but also don't consider all that effective in getting their point across, either.
 
There is less than ZERO chance that Coach Auriemma allows any protest of any kind to happen!
There is less than ZERO chance that Coach Auriemma allows any protest of any kind to happen!
Never say never!! I assume from this posting you know Geno exceptionally well and have followed what he will and will not allow his teams to do. I'm a novice in that arena so I'll be please to know what protest he didn't allow--or what bias he has towards protests his kids feel strong about.
 
Next time you're at home watching the game, please stand. I'll take you word for it.

You should know that standing is only required when actually attending the event where and when the anthem is being played. You sound like a non-stander to me and you already know my feeling on that.
 
You should know that standing is only required when actually attending the event where and when the anthem is being played. You sound like a non-stander to me and you already know my feeling on that.
I've just had a long discussion with someone else about why some find the event at the stadium sacred and those at home are given dispensation. Does standing with hand on heart extend to those in the stadium who are screaming chants, laughing and joking around, canoodling with their significants, vendors etc.? Does it extend to those tail gate-ing? Or does this ritual magically stop at the stadium walls? Frankly, I usually stand. And at home I stop what I'm doing and yes, occasionally stand. BUT THAT'S MY FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT. So is not standing, and the simple act of taking a knee is, to me, an act of belief in this country and respect for that right. While at the same time showing respect for those who not shown certain "inalienable" rights guaranteed by our constitution. Which to me is the real sacred document. Stop attacking the messenger and just for a minute try to examine the message. I know this would require some self-examination, but that is what protests are for, especially one this well thought out.
 
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I am sure the players have already talked about the protests amongst themselves - as have the coaches. I would like to think Geno got everyone together to "clear the air". Afterwards I think Geno would explain the many ramifications that protesting during the anthem would cause. (There are way too many to list here). Lets all tune into the first game and see how it all plays out. I know where I am putting my money
 
I've just had a long discussion with someone else about why some find the event at the stadium sacred and those at home are given dispensation. Does standing with hand on heart extend to those in the stadium who are screaming chants, laughing and joking around, canoodling with their significants, vendors etc.? Does it extend to those tail gate-ing? Or does this ritual magically stop at the stadium walls? Frankly, I usually stand. And at home I stop what I'm doing and yes, occasionally stand. BUT THAT'S MY FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT. So is not standing, and the simple act of taking a knee is, to me, an act of belief in this country and respect for that right. While at the same time showing respect for those who not shown certain "inalienable" rights guaranteed by our constitution. Which to me is the real sacred document. Stop attacking the messenger and just for a minute try to examine the message. I know this would require some self-examination, but that is what protests are for, especially one this well thought out.

Think what you want, do what you want - I'm moving on from this.
 
Think what you want, do what you want - I'm moving on from this.

I agree with Bliss. It's been weeks now going back and forth on this issue. I see the Kapernick episode similar to the response when the Nigerian girls were kidnapped years ago. All the concerned people tweeted out "save the girls" or something like that. OK, well and good. You proved you cared. But what actions were taken. What follow-up. Sorry, too much hip symbolism for me. Too superficial. Yea, I'm supporting this or that by kneeling down. Really.
Kapernick wants a conversation. Yes - there are some bad cops and bad shootings. Arrest them if it was a bad shooting. I have heard there is now--intense federal oversight, better training discussed, more cameras, thoughts on new rules of engagement, more community interactions, and more!! All good stuff going in the right direction. The conversation Kap wanted, is and has been taking place the last year (since Michael Brown.) Some ask what are we doing about false narratives.
So, as a concerned citizen and a caring inner city teacher/coach for 40 years, I want to know what are we all doing about the 10 murders and 50 shootings in Chicago --EVERY WEEK! Little press-little discussion. Nation wide 100 blacks are murdered every week. In the last 10 years 50,000 blacks were killed by other blacks. Where is the conversation? My high school, like hundreds across the nation, have had too many funerals. Above I mentioned a half dozen interventions and methods to improve the police. We should keep looking for more.
I am doing my small part by coaching, counseling, and supporting the students who are in my charge. I have mentored, paid for recruiting trips, visited homes, and gone to weddings like thousands of teachers, coaches, and other concerned citizens. No big deal.
However, the final part of the conversation has to be about the 75 to 80% of black students who have no father around. If this is not part of the big conversation and something concrete is not done----then nothing will change! The first step of AA is YOU HAVE TO ADMIT YOU HAVE A PROBLEM or nothing will change.
I looked at the problem from both sides since it takes two to tango. Will it be a one-sided conversation or two?
 
I am sure the players have already talked about the protests amongst themselves - as have the coaches. I would like to think Geno got everyone together to "clear the air". Afterwards I think Geno would explain the many ramifications that protesting during the anthem would cause. (There are way too many to list here). Lets all tune into the first game and see how it all plays out. I know where I am putting my money

Personally I don't see Geno agreeing to this unless every one of the girls tells him they want to do it. One of the problems I have with this "protest" on sports that are fundamentally team activities is the "my opinion" aspect of it. Think what you will about John Carlos and Tommie Smith, but even in the Olympics those were individual accomplishments and individual protests.

In Philly, when Malcolm Jenkins was planning to protest, he went to Pederson to inform him as the team coach that "the team" was planning to make the gesture, and asking him if the coaches would "join the team" in the protest. Pederson told him that he had no objection if the entire team joined in the protest, and he would speak with the coaches about participating if it was a team protest. Obviously, getting 45 guys to join anything was improbable, so Jenkins and two teammates did so by themselves. It is unreported if Pederson did or said anything.

While I could see Geno cautioning individual girls about considering the ramifications of their role as representatives of the university etc, I could see him giving it unspoken approval if the entire team did it in unison. If one or two of the girls then proceeded on their own, I could see it being a certain breaking of the faith with him, and there being some discipline. You know, you forfeited your right to ever be a team captain type of thing. But I think his "requirements" would always revolve around team unity.
 
BUT THAT'S MY FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT.
While at the same time showing respect for those who not shown certain "inalienable" rights guaranteed by our constitution. Which to me is the real sacred document. Stop attacking the messenger and just for a minute try to examine the message. I know this would require some self-examination, but that is what protests are for, especially one this well thought out.

The question boils down to who is the player representing? Themselves or the school/team? As a private citizen I can put signs on my front lawn for who I am voting for, however, in my classroom I cannot have just one candidates sign. To quote you, "BUT THAT'S MY FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT".... People need to know and understand the constitution before the start using it as a basis to do whatever they want. Your rights can be limited. Your freedoms have limits. One of the reasons we have laws on the book.

Whereas I cannot put candidate propaganda in my classroom as it could be seen as being persuasive and an abuse of my power/authority..... is it not the same case with athletes and tv/movie stars misusing their celebrity? When I work I work for a school board. When Katie Lou (for example) plays she plays and represents the University of Connecticut. And IF I AM PAYING to attend a game it is a game I want to see... not your opinion or view.
 
Personally I don't see Geno agreeing to this unless every one of the girls tells him they want to do it. One of the problems I have with this "protest" on sports that are fundamentally team activities is the "my opinion" aspect of it. Think what you will about John Carlos and Tommie Smith, but even in the Olympics those were individual accomplishments and individual protests.

In Philly, when Malcolm Jenkins was planning to protest, he went to Pederson to inform him as the team coach that "the team" was planning to make the gesture, and asking him if the coaches would "join the team" in the protest. Pederson told him that he had no objection if the entire team joined in the protest, and he would speak with the coaches about participating if it was a team protest. Obviously, getting 45 guys to join anything was improbable, so Jenkins and two teammates did so by themselves. It is unreported if Pederson did or said anything.

While I could see Geno cautioning individual girls about considering the ramifications of their role as representatives of the university etc, I could see him giving it unspoken approval if the entire team did it in unison. If one or two of the girls then proceeded on their own, I could see it being a certain breaking of the faith with him, and there being some discipline. You know, you forfeited your right to ever be a team captain type of thing. But I think his "requirements" would always revolve around team unity.

Except that, far from criticizing any athletes for their actions in these protests, Auriemma has consistently offered high praise. So I strongly doubt that, having praised Tina Charles, Swin Cash, and other former UConn players in the WNBA, he would then reverse himself and criticize or punish UConn players on his team today.

Another factor to consider is that black athletes he is recruiting will look closely at how he handles this issue. African-American high school athletes could very well balk at attending UConn or any other university whose coach criticizes or punishes a black athlete for taking part in a protest.

The athletes at Missouri declared that they would not play another game unless the university took a range of actions. The university caved. The WNBA caved in when the players union refused to pay the fines levied.

Wonder what lies in store for any white coach who attempts to silence black players protesting?
 
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The question boils down to who is the player representing? Themselves or the school/team? As a private citizen I can put signs on my front lawn for who I am voting for, however, in my classroom I cannot have just one candidates sign. To quote you, "BUT THAT'S MY FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT".... People need to know and understand the constitution before the start using it as a basis to do whatever they want. Your rights can be limited. Your freedoms have limits. One of the reasons we have laws on the book.

Whereas I cannot put candidate propaganda in my classroom as it could be seen as being persuasive and an abuse of my power/authority..... is it not the same case with athletes and tv/movie stars misusing their celebrity? When I work I work for a school board. When Katie Lou (for example) plays she plays and represents the University of Connecticut. And IF I AM PAYING to attend a game it is a game I want to see... not your opinion or view.
100%. As I recently told someone else, one of my favorite quotes in from George Gurdjieff who said "Freedom without responsibility is liberty, not license". Under that aegis there is no such thing, can be no such thing in a democratic republic as liberty. There is only license, and that license bears the onus of responsibility. One of those responsibilities is knowing what exactly is the license afforded us at any given moment, with every act we attempt. That, to me is the unique greatness of our constitution and of this country. By the way, as an aside he also said "A man will renounce any pleasures you like, but he will not give up his suffering".
 
Wonder what lies in store for any white coach who attempts to silence black players protesting?

I would think/hope it would be the same for any coach, regardless of that coaches skin pigmentation (or the skin pigmentation of the protesters for that matter). There is no legitimate reason why it would not be. It will also not be the coaches decision, but someone much higher up the food chain.
 
If you follow the huskies you know they have a strict code of conduct that they are required to follow. Letting the player(s) protest the anthem would go against everything Geno and C.D. have been preaching for the past 30 years. There is no mystery here - there will be no surprises.
 
things change in 30 yrs... but I dont see them doing it BUT I dont think he'd discourage them. I dont think it would even be a discussion.

Go to the players Twitter pages and see if they are even talking or retweeting about it.

Is it control, respect, shame, non-issue or important as to what they do as a team, who knows!
 
hmmmm seems that the players are aware of the current events... who knows what may happen

raw
 
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With the season almost upon us... and tickets sales about to be "Huge".... I was curious about the latest fad out there where athletes are taking a knee during the National Anthem. Does anyone know if UCONN has a policy on this? Maybe it is just me but I would like to know before I attend a game if the players are planning on expressing themselves in such a manner. I know I do not always think the same as others, but players on a team represent that team and organization, and therefore have limited free speech and their expressions might not reflect those of the people who are paying to attend such event.

What do people think about this? Do you think it would happen at UCONN?

I don't know what all this fuss is about---I guess it's ok to "TAKE A KNEE" during the game ---but not during the Anthem--
I have had a few during the games. Not much fun---is it more fun while music is played????
 
It's true that John Wooden forbade his players from joining a protest against the Vietnam War. In hindsight, I wonder if, a couple years later, he would have.

In 1968, Tommie Smith and John Carlos raised their fists in black gloves as the national anthem was played. The IOC chairman Avery Brundage demanded that the USOC expel them from the US team, and banned them from the Olympic Village. When they returned home, Brent Musberger called them "black-skinned storm troopers."

Yet next week, Smith and Carlos will join the athletes from the 2016 Olympic team at the White House to be honored by President Barack Obama. And the Smithsonian reported that, "the tracksuit Smith was wearing that day, October 16, 1968, is among the artifacts acquired by the Smithsonian’s National Museum of African American History and Culture, along with the shoes he wore in that race, his official Olympic bag from the Games, and the box containing the olive tree branch he held as he stood on the medal platform." The museum's curator, Damion Thomas says that, "the gesture was both a symbol of people who are willing to take a stand against injustice, and of those who are willing to use their platform to advance issues related to social justice."

I wonder if, some time in the future, Tina Charles and Swin Cash will also be honored in the Smithsonian's museum. I wonder whether they, too, will be invited to the White House to be acknowledged for their actions "to advance issues related to social justice."

The issue of protesting the Vietnam war was: Some could not tell the difference between the war and Young Americans SENT (not all willingly) to fight that war. Protesting the WAR (any war) may be ok--but if young people are sent off , in the name of the American people, I don't believe you have a choice but to support them. It is possible to support them by STOPPING the war. But many protesters apparently thought it great fun to lay a brand of "baby killer" on them--regardless of their involvement. I doubt Mr Wooden would have approved that..
 
If you follow the huskies you know they have a strict code of conduct that they are required to follow. Letting the player(s) protest the anthem would go against everything Geno and C.D. have been preaching for the past 30 years. There is no mystery here - there will be no surprises.

The Geno and CD I've watch most of the past 30 years --isn't much as you write--Geno is an ACTIVIST and involved with his community (Community--neighborhood, town, city, state, country). I'm not sure he'd go for the Knee thing--but some other form of protest may be acceptable--however, I keep forgetting that who or what protests are acceptable--MUST be ACCEPTABLE to not only Chris and Geno but to the University Admin.
 
The question boils down to who is the player representing? Themselves or the school/team? As a private citizen I can put signs on my front lawn for who I am voting for, however, in my classroom I cannot have just one candidates sign. To quote you, "BUT THAT'S MY FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT".... People need to know and understand the constitution before the start using it as a basis to do whatever they want. Your rights can be limited. Your freedoms have limits. One of the reasons we have laws on the book.

Whereas I cannot put candidate propaganda in my classroom as it could be seen as being persuasive and an abuse of my power/authority..... is it not the same case with athletes and tv/movie stars misusing their celebrity? When I work I work for a school board. When Katie Lou (for example) plays she plays and represents the University of Connecticut. And IF I AM PAYING to attend a game it is a game I want to see... not your opinion or view.

You are right that every right has a responsibility ---which is NOT written in the Constitution. The right to peaceful assembly is written.
Your right to free speech is written. The limitations are not by the Constitution but by organization. I.e. your right to swing your arm ends at my nose (overused but factual) . I have free speech but I cannot (legally) slander you.
Uconn during the Vietnam war---some instructors or professors taught PROTEST the WAR--for most of the year. So if history is a factor Uconn accepts protesting . Do they want to do that on TV?? You'll have to ask the UC president.

Attending a UConn WBB game is a privilege--not a right.
 
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Exactly, my response was in respect to whole teams etc, rather than voicing as an individual. There are so many levels to this, what do people believe is the relevance to the anthem and flag, what do people believe is the responsibility to the team/employer etc. How are people getting involved at the root of the problems. There is a voice but there is also a process where actions show how to help those that need help. The beauty of the US is that everyone can voice their opinion but everyone should also expect to hear the opinions of others.


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me the Flag embodies all that is good and great of America. When I hear the Anthem or see the Flag before a game--I think of the young kids who gave everything for that flag to fly--and NO one knows their names.
The last sentence is what America is , not what it should be--but it proves America is HUMAN. Luckily, here on the Boneyard most are respectful of opinions at least within this thread..

 
Did someone take her pillow away so she wouldn't be sleeping on the bench?? Some people should know when to retire--but the perks are so awful good--and you can't be fired..(yet)

Careful, she's an icon of the American left. Imagine their quandary over her remarks. I'm amazed at how long this "sports" related topic has stayed here.
 
Careful, she's an icon of the American left. Imagine their quandary over her remarks. I'm amazed at how long this "sports" related topic has stayed here.
I could reply to that but I'd get in really really big trouble. Left -Right -Middle, the lady has overstayed her ability to do the job. (just can't help myself).
 
I find it amusing when people regular people are hostile to those who choose to protest during the national anthem. All the veterans that I know and those who have chosen to comment about this issue on social media have been pretty consistent in saying that they fought in support of American freedom and values among which are the right to free speech. Besides, protest is a central theme in most of American history resulting in many of the more important advances from the Revolutionary War, ending slavery, women's suffrage and most civil rights advances.
 
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