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but this team is at its best with hamilton at the 4. It creates such a mismatch nightmare for the other team--like having 3 PG's on the floor AND he helps extend the defense from that position. Its a no brainer
 
scrappy2.0 said:
but this team is at its best with hamilton at the 4. It creates such a mismatch nightmare for the other team--like having 3 PG's on the floor AND he helps extend the defense from that position. Its a no brainer
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Nothing like needing your 5'11" point guard to be your leading rebounder too.
 
pj said:
Against Columbia, yes, Dham at the 4 is our best lineup.

Against Duke, no.
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What he does is pulls a low post defender away from the basket opening up things for Amida and creating more driving lanes for others. He's long enough to compensate om defense. I understand you couldn't do it for 40 minutes--but its a very effective line up.
 
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Palatine said:
Exactly right. This game didn't suit Facey. The Duke game did. KO has shown an uncanny ability to find the right mix, a great sign moving forward.
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If he wants to be good Yale and Columbia "have to suit him." It's not like they're more athletic, this SHOULD be his kind of game! No excuses, he needs to be more consistent and learn the game.
 
mauconnfan said:
If he wants to be good Yale and Columbia "have to suit him." It's not like they're more athletic, this SHOULD be his kind of game! No excuses, he needs to be more consistent and learn the game.
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What? I think this is sarcasm but I really can't tell.
 
polycom said:
What? I think this is sarcasm but I really can't tell.
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Why would it be sarcasm? He's an elite athlete and he came up with 2 stinkers vs Yale and Columbia. I love the kid, but these games are proof where he is right now. Duke game is proof of where he can be!
 
Palatine said:
Exactly right. This game didn't suit Facey. The Duke game did. KO has shown an uncanny ability to find the right mix, a great sign moving forward.
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You make a great point that KO doesnt get enough credit for. This is why he has been so good from day one. Led a team in his first year to 20 wins that no one and expect and in his second year to a national title that was even more improbable. Guy is a coaching stud!
 
mauconnfan said:
Why would it be sarcasm? He's an elite athlete and he came up with 2 stinkers vs Yale and Columbia. I love the kid, but these games are proof where he is right now. Duke game is proof of where he can be!
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Can't wrap my head around this one. His two poor games (one before Duke, one after), both against lesser competition, are "where he is right now", rather than his fantastic performance against Duke? How does that make any sense? I think where he is right now is right about where the rest of the team is - incredibly talented but playing to the level of their opponent.
 
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What do you mean incredibly talented? Have you watched Facey much. What have you seen him do other than score off of deep interior passes (at the basket) or on any put backs? He plays hard, but he has no ability to create his own shot or score outside of 4 feet. Where is this huge talent?

PAHusky said:
Can't wrap my head around this one. His two poor games (one before Duke, one after), both against lesser competition, are "where he is right now", rather than his fantastic performance against Duke? How does that make any sense? I think where he is right now is right about where the rest of the team is - incredibly talented but playing to the level of their opponent.
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husky91 said:
What do you mean incredibly talented? Have you watched Facey much. What have you seen him do other than score off of deep interior passes (at the basket) or on any put backs? He plays hard, but he has no ability to create his own shot or score outside of 4 feet. Where is this huge talent?
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If Facey plays better under the basket, maybe he should be the 5 and Amida the 4. Did you see Amida hit his two mid-range shots and if hes not right under the basket, he is there for the help blocks and has more time to anticipate where the rebound is going. I say put Facey on the other teams center. Or we could make Boat the center since he lead in rebounds....nevermind
 
Brimah' shot was good, that he could step out and stroke that. The fact that Facey badly clanged a 12 footer doesn't suggest he should be a 5 at 6-9 200lbs.

I don't follow your comments.


Wise2 said:
If Facey plays better under the basket, maybe he should be the 5 and Amida the 4. Did you see Amida hit his two mid-range shots and if hes not right under the basket, he is there for the help blocks and has more time to anticipate where the rebound is going. I say put Facey on the other teams center. Or we could make Boat the center since he lead in rebounds....nevermind
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husky91 said:
Brimah' shot was good, that he could step out and stroke that. The fact that Facey badly clanged a 12 footer doesn't suggest he should be a 5 at 6-9 200lbs.

I don't follow your comments.
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that's exactly why, Facey will around the rim. That is what he was doing when Amida was on the bench getting his putbacks against Duke
 
This is his game now, it's fine. I like his effort.

Wise2 said:
that's exactly why, Facey will around the rim. That is what he was doing when Amida was on the bench getting his putbacks against Duke
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The idea of a point 4 is something I've never before pondered.
 
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husky91 said:
Brimah' shot was good, that he could step out and stroke that. The fact that Facey badly clanged a 12 footer doesn't suggest he should be a 5 at 6-9 200lbs.

I don't follow your comments.
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Yeah okay, let's judge players based off of one shot only.
 
Oh, you're suggesting Facey has shown a consistent perimeter game and his one bad miss was an anomaly? Ok, sure



Stairmaster said:
Yeah okay, let's judge players based off of one shot only.
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husky91 said:
Oh, you're suggesting Facey has shown a consistent perimeter game and his one bad miss was an anomaly? Ok, sure
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Way to put words in my mouth bud. It's called withholding judgement until you have a sample size of more than one shot. You should try it.
 
If Facey misses a second shot he should lose his scholarship. Its ridiculous, this kid was brought here with almost 4 years of basketball experience and sat on the bench perfectly last year without threatening anyone on the national champions for playing time, not even sure if he was good enough to play this year and now hes only averaging 7-7 and missed a jumper? this is the development we deem acceptable? I have to say, if that is the case, what are we paying kevin ollie for? He has had this kid for a full 15 months and all he can do is rebound, finish around the hoop and play 20 minutes at the 4 and he is never going to get better. What a joke.
 
PAHusky said:
Can't wrap my head around this one. His two poor games (one before Duke, one after), both against lesser competition, are "where he is right now", rather than his fantastic performance against Duke? How does that make any sense? I think where he is right now is right about where the rest of the team is - incredibly talented but playing to the level of their opponent.
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Huh? Speaking of wrapping your head around something? "Playing to the level of his opponent"? He can afford to do that and be the player we need him to be, are you serious? He threw up almost goose eggs against Yale with their 6'5 average front line, that's a good game for a kid fighting to secure 20-25 minutes a game? The reason they played to the level of the competition vs Yale was with his 20 plus minutes, do you understand that? His game against Duke was very good, great if you grade like a gym teacher in HS. Columbia is not a team you can consider playing to a certain level since they played with Kentucky at home and played with UConn at home. So if he was playing to the level of his opponent in that one he would have done better than 2 points and 1 rebound in his minutes I think right? At least that's according to your theory which makes little sense now that you think of it!

Read a little closer or follow closely, I did not slam Kentan, I like him. But he is getting major minutes now and a good game vs Duke and their vaunted front line followed up with an appearance that rivals Casper is not very good. He was manhandled by 6'5" kids who outsmarted him on both ends. He needs to play better and we should expect him to want to play better. I am quite sure he wants to and is learning through the process. actually he needs to be if we are to compete at the highest level.

So wrap your head around it or don't I could care less. But please know you just made little sense based on the Columbia game. But nice try anyway!;)
 
Why are we focusing on the smaller, negative sample of Facey (Yale and Columbia) instead of the larger, positive sample (Texas, Duke, WVU, etc) where if you disregard the two Ivy games he is averaging 8/7. That 8/7 is really impressive especially when you account for the fact that he is often the fourth or fifth option when he's on the floor and that he rarely plays more than 25 minutes a game, which has only happene stick this season.

Calling it now, Facey is going to post a double double against Florida.
 
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Brochacho said:
Why are we focusing on the smaller, negative sample of Facey (Yale and Columbia) instead of the larger, positive sample (Texas, Duke, WVU, etc) where if you disregard the two Ivy games he is averaging 8/7. That 8/7 is really impressive especially when you account for the fact that he is often the fourth or fifth option when he's on the floor and that he rarely plays more than 25 minutes a game, which has only happene stick this season.

Calling it now, Facey is going to post a double double against Florida.
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Not sure what is so negative. He needs to figure a way out to be consistent and those games leave that to be very obvious. Wouldn't you expect him to be able to get at least the numbers he had vs Duke against smaller, less athletic teams or am I missing something? He needs to get there, he will but for now he's not. Amina's not, this is why we are going to struggle to make it to the dance but it's not a negative, it's a growing period for our young bigs.
 
husky91 said:
What do you mean incredibly talented? Have you watched Facey much. What have you seen him do other than score off of deep interior passes (at the basket) or on any put backs? He plays hard, but he has no ability to create his own shot or score outside of 4 feet. Where is this huge talent?
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How many times has the guards looked for him or gotten him the ball?
He can't create without the ball
He is by far the last option or no option when on the floor which I have a fard time seeing because when i see him practice/play pick-up games he does some sweet things.
 
I think we all agree that Kentan is improving at a good rate and performing better than expected at PF.
I think the difference is half full vs. half empty. We should remember that his history of playing bball isn't much longer than AB's.
As far as Hamilton at the 4, it is a tool to be used when it is to our advantage. Not a permanent status.
 
gtcam said:
How many times has the guards looked for him or gotten him the ball?
He can't create without the ball
He is by far the last option or no option when on the floor which I have a fard time seeing because when i see him practice/play pick-up games he does some sweet things.
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Confidence factor too as you say, could be it. Not sure the handle is there or if it's just confidence in putting it on the floor once the lights go on? Anyway, we play against and have had our trouble vs "garbage" players who just seem to make things happen around the basket. He's fine if that's what the end result is, just do it every night - lunch pail!
 
gtcam said:
How many times has the guards looked for him or gotten him the ball?
He can't create without the ball
He is by far the last option or no option when on the floor which I have a fard time seeing because when i see him practice/play pick-up games he does some sweet things.
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It's all about confidence. That comes with success regardless of the magnitude.
Growth in confidence and consistency is never linear. It ebbs and flows with each success and failure.The idea is to trend in a favorable direction. Taking 5-10 players in a favorable direction and blending their talents to best maximize a teams results is the true measure of a coach.
Ollie has proven he is up to that challenge.
 
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