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Its just the way politicians view state employees. I think they're unable to view president Herbst differently than any other state employee who they don't ever want to see get a cent more than the negotiated contract and in fact always are asking them to make concessions but that's a different story.
 
...and there have been long stretches where UConn has been anything but great.

Surely you are not talking about recent history, Fishy. (this should precipitate a response of, "Yes I am, and don't call me Shirley.")

I have 4.4 billion reasons to suggest that it isn't true:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Connecticut

In 1995, a state-funded program called UConn 2000 was passed by the Connecticut General Assembly and signed into law by then-Gov. John G. Rowland. This 10-year program set aside $1 billion to upgrade campus facilities, add faculty, and otherwise improve the university. An additional $1.3 billion was pledged by the State of Connecticut in 2002 as part of a new 10-year improvement plan known as 21st Century UConn.

http://ctmirror.org/21-billion-plan-uconn-moves-forward/

"A $2.1 billion plan for UConn moves forward"
“This is one of the largest investments any of us are ever going to vote on in our entire legislative careers,” Sen. Gary LeBeau, the chairman of the legislature’s Commerce Committee, said before the Senate voted on the initiative earlier this week. “It’s about providing the future for the state of Connecticut… This is going to transform us.”
 
Google is a piss-poor replacement for insight, my boy.

I've met every president UConn's had since Harry Hartley - Herbst is the best we've had in a very long time. The people around her are the best we've had in a very long time.

Long story made short and at the risk of sounding overly harsh - basically, I don't the have the patience to endure your ignorance on the matter.
 
Google is a piss-poor replacement for insight, my boy.

I've met every president UConn's had since Harry Hartley - Herbst is the best we've had in a very long time. The people around her are the best we've had in a very long time.

Long story made short and at the risk of sounding overly harsh - basically, I don't the have the patience to endure your ignorance on the matter.

Long story short, I don't have the patience to endure your anecdotes over data. I don't do well with the "just trust me" angle. Forgive me if I'm looking for something a little more concrete, which you clearly are either not willing or capable of providing...
 
Google is a piss-poor replacement for insight, my boy.

I've met every president UConn's had since Harry Hartley - Herbst is the best we've had in a very long time. The people around her are the best we've had in a very long time.

Long story made short and at the risk of sounding overly harsh - basically, I don't the have the patience to endure your ignorance on the matter.

This is truth. Hartley did the best he could and Austin started us thinking like a national university, Hogan had a cup of coffee and took off, but Herbst is the first President we've had who has had a take-no-prisoners approach to taking the University from very good to great.

Add in people like Josh Newton (and we've hung onto Mun Choi somehow), and who knows, maybe we talk about Warde someday in the same vein? Either way, the future is bright, and not to be obscured by a pesky annoyance like conference realignment.
 
This is truth. Hartley did the best he could and Austin started us thinking like a national university, Hogan had a cup of coffee and took off, but Herbst is the first President we've had who has had a take-no-prisoners approach to taking the University from very good to great.

Add in people like Josh Newton (and we've hung onto Mun Choi somehow), and who knows, maybe we talk about Warde someday in the same vein? Either way, the future is bright, and not to be obscured by a pesky annoyance like conference realignment.

What did she do to take us from good to great?

And why were we good when she took over but great now?
 
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What did she do to take us from good to great?

Can't you read??? She "took no prisoners"... ;)

In all seriousness, everyone, I believe she's doing a good job. But like Temery, I'm just looking for some examples of things that have impressed some on the board. And keep in mind that I've never advocated against her getting a raise. But I think some examples would certainly help me understand the timing and size of this latest one...
 
This is truth. Hartley did the best he could and Austin started us thinking like a national university, Hogan had a cup of coffee and took off, but Herbst is the first President we've had who has had a take-no-prisoners approach to taking the University from very good to great.

Add in people like Josh Newton (and we've hung onto Mun Choi somehow), and who knows, maybe we talk about Warde someday in the same vein? Either way, the future is bright, and not to be obscured by a pesky annoyance like conference realignment.


I liked Hartley and even met him a dozen times as he handed out hot chocolate to us fools who cramped in front of Gample overnight for front row student seats. Also had lunch with him and Dean Gutteridge (business school) one day my senior year at the old Mansfield Depot to discuss ideas for the study abroad program. I give him credit for seizing the momentum from the basketball teams to address the biggest issue at UConn in the early and mid 1990's - the infrastructure and facilities were horrible. He is the one who got UConn 2000 off the ground. AD Lewis deserves some of that credit, too. Austin kept the momentum going. of course they both made one big mistake , hiring and keeping Mark Emmert on board as provost and UConn 2000 program director. That mistake still haunts UConn. Logan and Hathaway were big time mistakes.
 
Hartley was a very good president for much of his tenure - probably the most student-friendly of the bunch.

He deserves credit for UConn 2000, among others, which didn't advance the university as much as bring up to at least a modern standard - anyone who was on campus in the early 90s knows that the infrastructure was simply breaking down. Unfortunately, he was not terribly successful in dealing with the state on other matters and the U lost a lot of staff to budget cuts over the last half of his tenure. I think he spent the last three years at UConn wanting to resign and eventually the BOT began to agree - I think he just got worn down.

In terms of athletics, I think the administration and the university worked as well during that period as they did in any until recent times - far, far better than the acrimony that developed in Austin's later years and carried into Hogan and Austin II. (Hartley and JC used to jog together, if you can picture that.)

Austin was very good - if there was a failing, it was in the people he kept on. There's no excuse for delegating so much to Emmert, retaining Hathaway - the capital campaign of the time could have been considered a success, but there's no question that the people we have in that area now are so, so, so much better. I think the construction on campus was so fast and furious that we were bound to have issues, but there were too many - examples like having Emmert in an oversight position, some of the change orders that were simply improperly approved, etc. That speaks to the people he had around him.

But he did have a national vision for the university - we'd always talked about being Michigan or Virginia, but he was the first to actually believe it and start to successfully push for the money to do it. He was also very good in bringing Mansfield on board with some of the campus improvements and there was a working relationship there that was previously too strained to be productive. He started the push to expand the med center that was ultimately implemented under Hogan and he planted the first seed of what ultimately became NextGen and perhaps even Bioscience. (There is rightfully a building on campus named for Austin - he earned that and he is truly a UConn man.)

Hogan was a train wreck. He started off complaining about the president's house and it got no better from there - how he managed to get Illinois to hire him after UConn is a minor miracle. He impressed no one, accomplished relatively nothing and there was no shortage of people willing to drive him to the airport when he quit to take a pay cut at Illinois. (They've already shoved him out, too.) He was a failure and we lost those years. Period. We didn't go from "good to great" under Herbst - Hogan was plain bad. (He can take credit for the med center expansion, but really, not sure he did much there.)

Herbst has been the best of the bunch. She was on-campus for about half an hour before she put out the four-year plan that, unlike most public universities these days, called for UConn to hire about 300 additional faculty. She helped sell NextGen and then Bioscience. It goes less pub than NextGen, but Bioscience ultimately helped bring in Jackson Labs which you might remember if you followed the Nobel prizes earlier this year - between STEM, Bioscience and JL, UConn is incredibly well-positioned in biomedical as a research hub.

The STEM plan including math/science dorms, public/private lab space to allow start-ups and private researchers to work with our students, the relocation of UConn's Hartford campus, the development of the new master plan and thank God, finally a president who is committed to the endowment. Hiring Josh Newman was brilliant - we were $15M over the fundraising target in '14 and Newman/Herbst have started to build a donor network outside of the state - one of our issues previously is that we kept mining the same territory over and over and over. We're not getting to a billion dollars dialing just 203 and 860.

Athletically, you can sort that out for yourselves. Hockey East, the commitment to the new barn, firing Hathaway, the new soccer facility plans, opening the hoop building, etc. Realignment is what it is, but whatever fuel this board has for its Big Ten day dreams happened on her watch.

So there.
 
Hartley was a very good president for much of his tenure - probably the most student-friendly of the bunch.

He deserves credit for UConn 2000, among others, which didn't advance the university as much as bring up to at least a modern standard - anyone who was on campus in the early 90s knows that the infrastructure was simply breaking down. Unfortunately, he was not terribly successful in dealing with the state on other matters and the U lost a lot of staff to budget cuts over the last half of his tenure. I think he spent the last three years at UConn wanting to resign and eventually the BOT began to agree - I think he just got worn down.

In terms of athletics, I think the administration and the university worked as well during that period as they did in any until recent times - far, far better than the acrimony that developed in Austin's later years and carried into Hogan and Austin II. (Hartley and JC used to jog together, if you can picture that.)

Austin was very good - if there was a failing, it was in the people he kept on. There's no excuse for delegating so much to Emmert, retaining Hathaway - the capital campaign of the time could have been considered a success, but there's no question that the people we have in that area now are so, so, so much better. I think the construction on campus was so fast and furious that we were bound to have issues, but there were too many - examples like having Emmert in an oversight position, some of the change orders that were simply improperly approved, etc. That speaks to the people he had around him.

But he did have a national vision for the university - we'd always talked about being Michigan or Virginia, but he was the first to actually believe it and start to successfully push for the money to do it. He was also very good in bringing Mansfield on board with some of the campus improvements and there was a working relationship there that was previously too strained to be productive. He started the push to expand the med center that was ultimately implemented under Hogan and he planted the first seed of what ultimately became NextGen and perhaps even Bioscience. (There is rightfully a building on campus named for Austin - he earned that and he is truly a UConn man.)

Hogan was a train wreck. He started off complaining about the president's house and it got no better from there - how he managed to get Illinois to hire him after UConn is a minor miracle. He impressed no one, accomplished relatively nothing and there was no shortage of people willing to drive him to the airport when he quit to take a pay cut at Illinois. (They've already shoved him out, too.) He was a failure and we lost those years. Period. We didn't go from "good to great" under Herbst - Hogan was plain bad. (He can take credit for the med center expansion, but really, not sure he did much there.)

Herbst has been the best of the bunch. She was on-campus for about half an hour before she put out the four-year plan that, unlike most public universities these days, called for UConn to hire about 300 additional faculty. She helped sell NextGen and then Bioscience. It goes less pub than NextGen, but Bioscience ultimately helped bring in Jackson Labs which you might remember if you followed the Nobel prizes earlier this year - between STEM, Bioscience and JL, UConn is incredibly well-positioned in biomedical as a research hub.

The STEM plan including math/science dorms, public/private lab space to allow start-ups and private researchers to work with our students, the relocation of UConn's Hartford campus, the development of the new master plan and thank God, finally a president who is committed to the endowment. Hiring Josh Newman was brilliant - we were $15M over the fundraising target in '14 and Newman/Herbst have started to build a donor network outside of the state - one of our issues previously is that we kept mining the same territory over and over and over. We're not getting to a billion dollars dialing just 203 and 860.

Athletically, you can sort that out for yourselves. Hockey East, the commitment to the new barn, firing Hathaway, the new soccer facility plans, opening the hoop building, etc. Realignment is what it is, but whatever fuel this board has for its Big Ten day dreams happened on her watch.

So there.

The only thing I'll add is that Philip Austin was also involved in the Jackson Labs deal, on the UConn Health Center side of things. And If I'm not mistaken, he was on the board of CURE at the time (no longer), which certainly didn't hurt. I'd still say that Austin was the most important figure of the bunch. But that doesn't mean that Herbst isn't doing a very good job, because she is.

As far as the athletics goes, it's hard to top Perkins. But that's a matter for another day...
 
What did she do to take us from good to great?

And why were we good when she took over but great now?

It's the whole attitude she has that is helping to take us from very good to great. For example, take a look at how our communications profile has changed. When was the last time you saw us exploit the Husky dog for all aspects of the University, make videos and presentations and press releases, post advertisements on the subway in Washington and in the New York Times, etc., the way we are now? She's rebranded the University in a way that was long overdue. Plus, the faculty we're hiring - not just the numbers, but the quality - are really, really top notch.

I had no problem with Hartley, who rowed a lifeboat for as long as possible until the State finally turned around and started paying attention to us, and I thought Austin did a very, very good job (and never cared for Hogan, so I wasn't disappointed to see him leave), but by the time she's done, Herbst is going to rank up there with Homer Babbidge as among the best Presidents we've ever had. (That's my prediction, anyhow.)

As for the amount and timing of her raise, I wonder how many of the legislators who are griping now sat idly by while the Governor's no-layoff promise stopped us from realizing $40-70 million in savings?

http://www.raisinghale.com/2013/08/13/malloys-no-layoff-agreement-savings-uconn/
 
I too read her Wikipedia page. I'm ok with her raise, mostly because she and her husband donated $100,000 to the UConn Foundation. She's done a very good job - give her some of her cash back.

As a rule, I am always suspicious of the attitude that leadership is irreplaceable.
 
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I too read her Wikipedia page. I'm ok with her raise, mostly because she and her husband donated $100,000 to the UConn Foundation. She's done a very good job - give her some of her cash back.

As a rule, I am always suspicious of the attitude that leadership is irreplaceable.

Without question. That said, sometimes when you've lose a Randy Edsall, you end up with a Paul Pasqualoni. (Pardon me while I throw up on myself.)
 
Without question. That said, sometimes when you've lose a Randy Edsall, you end up with a Paul Pasqualoni. (Pardon me while I throw up on myself.)

My guess is both made more that the University President.
 
Susan Herbst isn't irreplaceable, but she's as close as you can get. UConn had fallen victim to a problem that you see at a lot of higher institutions, people being kept around way too long for any sort of forward-thinking change. At a university that needed to play catch-up on basic things like the endowment being more than A-Rod's salary, those problems are extra-crippling.

As Fishy detailed above, she has been making proactive moves since day 1- clearing out dead weight was one necessary move, but for her to not just have the school sit on its growing laurels and make moves when EVERYBODY was shrinking was brilliant. Jackson, STEM, etc.- we all care about the sports stuff, but what she's doing with the university reminds me of the position Southwest Airlines was in with their airline fuel deals in the early 2000's. This stuff is going to pay off in a big way over the next two decades, no matter what conference UConn is in.

She zigs when everyone zags and the university is lucky to have her. They could have tripled her pay and I'd still say she's underpaid.
 
Two things, take a ride by the UCONN Health Center. Blows your mind. On a small level but it speaks to the attention to detail, the Campus has never looked better. The landscaping, work being done to keep things up, is noticeable and speaks to someone who is well aware that folks will coast if not pushed, especially State workers. To borrow from the Patton movie it's like when he showed up in North Africa and everyone was letting things slip. We are lucky. Susan came along at the time when she was needed most.
 
FWIW, back in July the Huffington Post came up with it's own list of salaries for the 93 presidents at public colleges that make more than Obama.
Herbst was 62nd on the list.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/02/college-presidents-make-paid-million_n_5381836.html

I think this state will survive her raise. And I'm sure the size of the thread titled "Herbst leaves UConn for ____________ would be a lot longer than 4 pages that this one currently is.

I was kind of surprised at her pay - I figured she made much more. UMass has several at the top making more than Herbst.
 
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Impossible to argue what she has done and this raise isn't even a blip, she is still well underpaid.

Only concern I have is that at times I get the feeling that she pays lip service towards conference realignment and doesn't actually care if the programs are saved.
 
Her raise is a non-story.

She's earned it twice over and it's human nature to bitch when someone else gets so much as an extra dime.

Life on the internet.
 
FWIW, back in July the Huffington Post came up with it's own list of salaries for the 93 presidents at public colleges that make more than Obama.
Herbst was 62nd on the list.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/02/college-presidents-make-paid-million_n_5381836.html

I think this state will survive her raise. And I'm sure the size of the thread titled "Herbst leaves UConn for ____________ would be a lot longer than 4 pages that this one currently is.

Thanks for finding this list, Viking. So she has now moved into 21st place with the raise. We are ranked 19th as a public university, so it sounds like her pay is about in line with what it should be. If I'm Larry McHugh, I would be out in the media presenting this story with this information in hand. I still stand by my comment that something needs to be done to stem the tide of the large increases in UConn's tuition, despite what some might say about its affordability versus private schools. I look forward to seeing the solutions to the problem, because it is indeed a problem...
 
Thanks for finding this list, Viking. So she has now moved into 21st place with the raise. We are ranked 19th as a public university, so it sounds like her pay is about in line with what it should be. If I'm Larry McHugh, I would be out in the media presenting this story with this information in hand. I still stand by my comment that something needs to be done to stem the tide of the large increases in UConn's tuition, despite what some might say about its affordability versus private schools. I look forward to seeing the solutions to the problem, because it is indeed a problem...

The list is six months old. She likely hasn't moved up much. I know the UMass president now makes closer to $700k.
 
The list is six months old. She likely hasn't moved up much. I know the UMass president now makes closer to $700k.

Well, that means she's ahead of the UMass president, and for her not to be in the mid 20's would mean that those currently in the mid to high 20's would have had to have received over a 10% raise (such as Genshaft from USF). I'm feeling pretty confident in her position in the 20's currently...
 
Herbst seems to be the exception. Not because she's been outstanding (and she may very well have been), but because she's been very good, and well underpaid.

With that said - I do have concerns there will soon come a day when the state realizes it cannot afford all these initiatives.
 
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The list is six months old. She likely hasn't moved up much. I know the UMass president now makes closer to $700k.

And he's leaving for a better gig.

I'm sure there are people in the UMass med system making more than the UMass prez and Herbst, but that's not really apples to apples. There's non-taxpayer funds involved in all this as well.
 
And he's leaving for a better gig.

I'm sure there are people in the UMass med system making more than the UMass prez and Herbst, but that's not really apples to apples. There's non-taxpayer funds involved in all this as well.

There are tenured professors (grant funded) at UMass making more than the President. The same is likely true at most universities.
 
An addendum to my previous post:

I tried to find a list of the highest salaries for public institutions. It's a hard list to come by, oddly enough. All I can do is throw certain pieces together from the web. But it seems at first glance that she is definitely in the top tier in terms of both base pay and total compensation. Those making larger salaries seem to be concentrated in the B1G, where student populations are much larger than ours. Also, the data that I could find about presidents making as much or more than President Herbst all seem to be at schools that rank slightly higher than ours on the USNews list, for whatever that's worth:

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2014/02/eric_barrons_compensation_will.html
http://www.ips-dc.org/one_percent_universities/
http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandr...ges/rankings/national-universities/top-public

Her salary now surpasses the University of Washington's president in both base and total compensation:

http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2020974831_universitypayxml.html

Here's an interesting quote from one of the links:

"This argument is also dubious. In FY 2012, for instance, the presidents of some of the nation’s largest, most respected public research universities – the University of California-Berkeley, the University of Wisconsin- Madison, the University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill, and the University of Massachusetts-Amherst – each made less than $500,000 in annual total compensation. Our analysis suggests that executive compensation packages awarded between FY 2006 and FY 2012 in excess of $600,000 per year (nominal or 2012 dollars) were inflated well above “market value.”"

Although all of this data seems to point to President Herbst being in the top tier of the pay scale for public universities nationally, it doesn't seem that her salary is so far outside the average as to be seen as overly excessive. I feel less strongly about the raise today than I did yesterday, that's for sure.

Hopefully, she can help figure out how to mitigate the 6.5% increase in student costs in the very near future...
Here's the thing Dan is she being paid disproportionately higher than her predecessors? Because Susan is the best we've seen here. We've seen what one bad hire can do to a football program, what one bad hire can do an athletic department. Imagine that application of the peter principal applied to an entire university. I'm happy to pay her because she brings value, and brings it at a time that it is sorely needed.
 
Surely you are not talking about recent history, Fishy. (this should precipitate a response of, "Yes I am, and don't call me Shirley.")

I have 4.4 billion reasons to suggest that it isn't true:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Connecticut

In 1995, a state-funded program called UConn 2000 was passed by the Connecticut General Assembly and signed into law by then-Gov. John G. Rowland. This 10-year program set aside $1 billion to upgrade campus facilities, add faculty, and otherwise improve the university. An additional $1.3 billion was pledged by the State of Connecticut in 2002 as part of a new 10-year improvement plan known as 21st Century UConn.

http://ctmirror.org/21-billion-plan-uconn-moves-forward/

"A $2.1 billion plan for UConn moves forward"
“This is one of the largest investments any of us are ever going to vote on in our entire legislative careers,” Sen. Gary LeBeau, the chairman of the legislature’s Commerce Committee, said before the Senate voted on the initiative earlier this week. “It’s about providing the future for the state of Connecticut… This is going to transform us.”
The first $2.3B was for long deferred capital expenditures. This number would have been lower had we been paying as we went along. The remaining $2.3B is the STEM biotech initiative which, hopefully, will generate a new core industry for the state to replace waning defense spending. I'd much rather be investing at the university than giving ESPN a few more million.
 
Remember this from 2013, piture showingthe highest paid state employee by state. A bit outdated, for example, I am sure that Michigan's highest paid employee is now U of M's football coach (Harbaugh) and not Michigan St's basketball coach (Izzo); but it still drives home the point.

http://deadspin.com/infographic-is-your-states-highest-paid-employee-a-co-489635228

Graph also shows which states play major college sports and which do not, such as of New England except Connecticut, New York, the Dakotas, etc . The funniest, in my opinion is Nevada whose highest paid employee is a Plastic Surgeon at a medical schools (assuming UNLV). Good to see where their priorities lie.
 
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