Super Bowl

[superjohn]

That playoff run by Maye was pretty awful.

He finally had to play a team with a pulse who wasn't injured.

 

[ShakyTheMohel]

The jury is still out on him. I am surprised that he almost won MVP. He is solid…but he hasn’t proven he is a top QB yet. He is very good…I wish the Jets had him…but he isn’t MVP or elite yet.

 

[WhereistheDove?]

Difference in the game was Darnold has handled the pressure better than Maye. You have to wonder if the Jets are the kiss of death for QBs. Lol

There were a lot of differences in this game. What most people knew all year was proven right. The Pats are an okay team that had an absurdly easy path through the regular season and the playoffs and ran into a much better team. If they play that game ten times, I’m not sure the Pats win one.

 

[Palatine]

That went according to according to what pretty much was expected. A little less competitive than most had it.

 

[Mr. French]

Patriots fans that hated on Darnold and pumped up Maye feeling strange feelings.

 

[superjohn]

This is my thinking too, Boston teams just have that championship DNA and luck. Whenever a Boston team goes on a run they always finish the deal. If you just assume the Pats win you will be better off.

In a Super Bowl setting the Pats have the advantage, this is not a regular pre game or halftime and I feel the Seahawks are gonna be flying out of the gates but will then lose their energy as I feel they will be too loud and too high.

While Vrabel will get his team to lie in the weeds and conserve their energy. The 1st quarter will be a feeling out process, 2nd quarter will be adjustments then 2nd half the Pats takeover.

Nailed it!

 

[RuffRuff]

Difference in the game was Darnold has handled the pressure better than Maye. You have to wonder if the Jets are the kiss of death for QBs. Lol

There was a number of things wrong. Vrabel conceded generating any offense early to try and keep the game close for what it seemed like the hope a Darnold TO, as he was playing the field position game for too long. It felt like as long as he kept it 3-0, he was hoping they'd get a defensive break at some point. And there were a few spots where Darnold was aggressive and came close to throwing a pick. That level of offensive passiveness set a very scared tone in Maye, as it almost feels like he was coached not to make a mistake - kid played like he was frozen. Walker broke a couple big runs early in this one that were the difference. The Pats run D was generally good, outside a couple of big runs by KW.

Seattle's DL was awesome, but Maye also missed a ton of key throws to wide open receivers in this one. His regression in the post season was stark, as he played scared. This is the thing about young QB's and how you set them up for success - Darnold "saw ghosts" early in his career and it derailed him. The left side of the NE's line was terrible in the post season, to the point where Maye started seeing ghosts. Once the rush gets into a young QB's head, they're toast. His timing was off, had zero rythym and was completely inaccurate as it felt like he was always looking out of the corner of his eye.

Really awful SB.

 

[RuffRuff]

That playoff run by Maye was pretty awful.

it was brutal - to the point it makes you wonder what he's bringing next year against a tough schedule. Once his protection started failing on him regularly, he became any other young QB who was constantly sacked and stripped, seeing ghosts, losing vision downfield.

 

[RuffRuff]

That went according to according to what pretty much was expected. A little less competitive than most had it.

Little less? NE had like 75 total yards deep into the third quarter at a point the game was over. It was entirely not competitive. Save for some meaningless back door yards/score, NE's offense was dominated by Seattle's D. This game was as non competitive as it gets.

 

[Scoe]

Nailed it!

I did I provided the anti jinx to everyone else’s jinx. I wanted the Pats to lose anyways.

 

[Scoe]

Pats only scored because the Seahawks stopped blitzing.

 

[Kolumbo]

Pats only scored because the Seahawks stopped blitzing.

That's the strangest thing about football which would be awesome if it could be changed and you don't see in other sports. Seahawks defense was so dominant the pats couldn't do anything. Seahawks had no pressure or incentive to do anything more than kick field goals. Once the game was in hand, they stop playing D and conceded big plays figuring there just wasn't enough time for a comeback. Pats actually showed life but luckily for the Seahawks Maye blundered a few times.

 

[JwittersPAC]

There was a number of things wrong. Vrabel conceded generating any offense early to try and keep the game close for what it seemed like the hope a Darnold TO, as he was playing the field position game for too long. It felt like as long as he kept it 3-0, he was hoping they'd get a defensive break at some point. And there were a few spots where Darnold was aggressive and came close to throwing a pick. That level of offensive passiveness set a very scared tone in Maye, as it almost feels like he was coached not to make a mistake - kid played like he was frozen. Walker broke a couple big runs early in this one that were the difference. The Pats run D was generally good, outside a couple of big runs by KW.

Seattle's DL was awesome, but Maye also missed a ton of key throws to wide open receivers in this one. His regression in the post season was stark, as he played scared. This is the thing about young QB's and how you set them up for success - Darnold "saw ghosts" early in his career and it derailed him. The left side of the NE's line was terrible in the post season, to the point where Maye started seeing ghosts. Once the rush gets into a young QB's head, they're toast. His timing was off, had zero rythym and was completely inaccurate as it felt like he was always looking out of the corner of his eye.

Really awful SB.

I enjoyed the Super Bowl. A great defensive game.

 

[JwittersPAC]

 

[Deepster]

Thank god the Patriots lost.

 

[Dove]

 

[FfldCntyFan]

Pats fans need to hope one specific negative stat doesn't follow Maye:

To date, 36 quarterbacks have lost their first super bowl start. Only four of them went on to win a super bowl.

 

[Devland]

Darnold is the second QB to win a Super Bowl while leading the league turnovers. Eli was the other.

 

[Fairfield_1st]

From the perspective of a Patriot hater who still holds a grudge about the Stadium thing, due to teasing my love of UConn, that was a fantastic and heart warming game. As just a viewer of football, tough to watch with little excitement.
Did any reporter ask Kraft if there were any good rub-n-tug places in SF or did he fly to FL before the game? Just wondering.

 

[HCCForever]

From the perspective of a Patriot hater who still holds a grudge about the Stadium thing, due to teasing my love of UConn, that was a fantastic and heart warming game. As just a viewer of football, tough to watch with little excitement.
Did any reporter ask Kraft if there were any good rub-n-tug places in SF or did he fly to FL before the game? Just wondering.

I was a Patriot fan before the whole Stadium farce. I’ll never root for them until the Kraft family sells the team. Kraft and Karmanos are at the top of my contempt list.

 

[Deepster]

Face it. If you live in the Northeast and you're not a Patriots fan, you sat there 25 years waiting for the Brady/Belichick era to end. Then it did. All the glazing on Maye this year, the "gay for Maye" nonsense, his little monkey faced wife with her baking, the Warriorrrrrs come out to play" stuff. Just regurgitated all the hate and bile back up.

To have it play out like it did is a Pats haters dream. In one day, it went from the beginning of the new dynasty to the schedule really was a fraud, Maye is not elite and was super overwhelmed in big spots all postseason and their #4 pick from last year was a turnstile with the worst game ever from an OL in the playoffs.

 

[superjohn]

Face it. If you live in the Northeast and you're not a Patriots fan, you sat there 25 years waiting for the Brady/Belichick era to end. Then it did. All the glazing on Maye this year, the "gay for Maye" nonsense, his little monkey faced wife with her baking, the Warriorrrrrs come out to play" stuff. Just regurgitated all the hate and bile back up.

To have it play out like it did is a Pats haters dream. In one day, it went from the beginning of the new dynasty to the schedule really was a fraud, Maye is not elite and was super overwhelmed in big spots all postseason and their #4 pick from last year was a turnstile with the worst game ever from an OL in the playoffs.

The Schedule is the perfect nickname for him, I'm hoping that one sticks with him his entire career.

 

[Fairfield_1st]

I was a Patriot fan before the whole Stadium farce. I’ll never root for them until the Kraft family sells the team. Kraft and Karmanos are at the top of my contempt list.

Are we twins separated at birth? I said the same thing about Kraft ownership, but I've been hating them now for so long, not sure I could go back. I also rooted for them as a 2nd team, Steelers being my primary. I go back to Grogan as QB.

 

[HCCForever]

Are we twins separated at birth? I said the same thing about Kraft ownership, but I've been hating them now for so long, not sure I could go back. I also rooted for them as a 2nd team, Steelers being my primary. I go back to Grogan as QB.

Not sure I can either. I started with Grogan, Mack Herron and Sam the Bam.

But I’m in Central Florida now and equidistant to all three teams. I can never root for Miami. I started rooting for the Bucs with Brady and Gronk and stayed for Baker. I hope to catch some Jaguar games when they play in Orlando for 2027 season. But I’m not passionate about either team like I am for UConn and the Sox. Pitchers and catchers report today so on to baseball.

 

[ShakyTheMohel]

Face it. If you live in the Northeast and you're not a Patriots fan, you sat there 25 years waiting for the Brady/Belichick era to end. Then it did. All the glazing on Maye this year, the "gay for Maye" nonsense, his little monkey faced wife with her baking, the Warriorrrrrs come out to play" stuff. Just regurgitated all the hate and bile back up.

To have it play out like it did is a Pats haters dream. In one day, it went from the beginning of the new dynasty to the schedule really was a fraud, Maye is not elite and was super overwhelmed in big spots all postseason and their #4 pick from last year was a turnstile with the worst game ever from an OL in the playoffs.

You aren’t someone who worries that their words will come back to bite them in the butt someday, are you? lol.

Pats fans have been quiet on here. There hasn’t been a post on the Patriots thread since 12/31. I am curious what @HuskyHawk thinks about Maye and this team now? It’s still amazing the team made the superbowl. They were awful last year. But…have they really turned it around…is there a solid foundation…or was is just a lucky season?

Time will tell.

 

[Deepster]

You aren’t someone who worries that their words will come back to bite them in the butt someday, are you? lol.

Pats fans have been quiet on here. There hasn’t been a post on the Patriots thread since 12/31. I am curious what @HuskyHawk thinks about Maye and this team now? It’s still amazing the team made the superbowl. They were awful last year. But…have they really turned it around…is there a solid foundation…or was is just a lucky season?

Time will tell.

Come back to bite me? How? I’m going to send the Pats to another 6 titles and their fans are going to look down on Jets fans even more? LOL. Sure. Bring it on.

Just for the sake of argument. Maye had a worse postseason offensively than any qb ever. Plenty of QBs who are much better went to only one SB and never went back (Brees, Marino, Rodgers). Will Campbell couldn’t block me at LT so that looks like a horrible pick. And let’s assume Vrabel is a good but not great coach. Now add in they have to still get through Buffalo, Denver, LA Chargers, Houston, Jax, Baltimore and KC. Hmmmm.

 

[HuskyHawk]

You aren’t someone who worries that their words will come back to bite them in the butt someday, are you? lol.

Pats fans have been quiet on here. There hasn’t been a post on the Patriots thread since 12/31. I am curious what @HuskyHawk thinks about Maye and this team now? It’s still amazing the team made the superbowl. They were awful last year. But…have they really turned it around…is there a solid foundation…or was is just a lucky season?

Time will tell.

I am not worried about Maye. There's no young QB I'd rather have as my QB. He'll keep improving. Even in his poor performance in the Super Bowl, under extreme pressure against the best D in the league he had 295 yards passing, 37 rushing and a much better completion percentage than Darnold. Seems clear his shoulder wasn't right. Solid foundation, but a very tough schedule next year, not just because of the change in standings but because they get the NFC North, so Green Bay, Detroit, Minnesota and Chicago. No easy games there.

The OL has to be better. Tight End needs an upgrade, Henry faded down the stretch. They need an Edge who can defend wide zone runs and rush the passer (Chaisson is a pass rusher, Jennings good vs run). They need an upgrade and more speed at linebacker. WR is a slight need but most of that can be solved with Tight End play. They need a reliable chain mover.

I think they are a 10-11 game winning team next year. Right now the Chargers and Jags are the most talented teams in the AFC. I think people are going to be surprised that the big name QBs are on bad teams. The Ravens and Bengals have lousy rosters. Buffalo has way more holes to fill than New England does and so do the Chiefs. Houston could be good if you think Stroud can bounce back. Denver scraped by winning close games against a schedule almost as bad as the Patriots', they aren't going to win that many again next year.

 

[Deepster]

I am not worried about Maye. There's no young QB I'd rather have as my QB. He'll keep improving. Even in his poor performance in the Super Bowl, under extreme pressure against the best D in the league he had 295 yards passing, 37 rushing and a much better completion percentage than Darnold. Seems clear his shoulder wasn't right. Solid foundation, but a very tough schedule next year, not just because of the change in standings but because they get the NFC North, so Green Bay, Detroit, Minnesota and Chicago. No easy games there.

The OL has to be better. Tight End needs an upgrade, Henry faded down the stretch. They need an Edge who can defend wide zone runs and rush the passer (Chaisson is a pass rusher, Jennings good vs run). They need an upgrade and more speed at linebacker. WR is a slight need but most of that can be solved with Tight End play. They need a reliable chain mover.

I think they are a 10-11 game winning team next year. Right now the Chargers and Jags are the most talented teams in the AFC. I think people are going to be surprised that the big name QBs are on bad teams. The Ravens and Bengals have lousy rosters. Buffalo has way more holes to fill than New England does and so do the Chiefs. Houston could be good if you think Stroud can bounce back. Denver scraped by winning close games against a schedule almost as bad as the Patriots', they aren't going to win that many again next year.

I'm going to disagree with that first statement. Maye is 23 and I'd take the following QB's over him right now (with a cut off of age 25).

Bo Nix: 25
Trevor Lawrence: 25
Brock Purdy: 25
Jayden Daniels: 24
C.J. Stroud: 23
Caleb Williams: 23
Cameron Ward: 23

Put that to 27 and I'd take Herbert, Jordan Love and maybe/probably Jalen Hurts.

And you are REALLY trying to make a silk purse out of a pig's ear taking ANYTHING positive from his SB performance. It was horrific in every aspect.

 

[HuskyHawk]

I'm going to disagree with that first statement. Maye is 23 and I'd take the following QB's over him right now (with a cut off of age 25).

Bo Nix: 25
Trevor Lawrence: 25
Brock Purdy: 25
Jayden Daniels: 24
C.J. Stroud: 23
Caleb Williams: 23
Cameron Ward: 23

Put that to 27 and I'd take Herbert, Jordan Love and maybe/probably Jalen Hurts.

And you are REALLY trying to make a silk purse out of a pig's ear taking ANYTHING positive from his SB performance. It was horrific in every aspect.

Wow. You're crazy.

 

[Deepster]

How do you figure? Which one do you have an issue with? Cam Ward is the only real stretch for me and I'm going off age/ability there. I'll give you that one.

Williams, Lawrence, Purdy and Nix are undeniable.