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ed4ourgirls said:
The Sun had to do something to make up for the loss of Chiney.
She may be back by mid-July, but maybe not.
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Chris Sienko said he didn't recommend her coming back at all this season, that she should just rehabilitate the knee & be ready for 2016. And honestly I hope that is what she does, no need to jeopardize her health & career.
 
RSHERMVIKES said:
WHEN AD cuts Kelly Faris in preseason camp she will complete her goal when she signed with the Sun of getting rid of any trace to UCONN & Geno Auriemma!
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Really? You really believe this nonsense you posted?? :rolleyes:
 
Waquoit said:
If only he was talking about Donovan. She's a disaster.
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Disasters don't win WNBA titles. And don't give me that crap about how anyone could have coached the 04 Storm to that championship. If it were true that anyone could coach championship caliber players I'd have Geno's job.
 
MattF said:
It's amazing to me that Donovan never saw the potential gift she has in Faris. Relentless, hard working, steady and is a cohesive force for any team. Auriemma saw it and banked on it. So dumb that Donovan (and others) have seen fit to tear down her self-confidence.
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I love Kelly but the pro and college games are at totally different levels. At this point she just is not good enough to be a solid contributor. If she was marginal in the WNBL how could you think she'd be solid in the WNBA?
 
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Beemer said:
Disasters don't win WNBA titles. And don't give me that crap about how anyone could have coached the 04 Storm to that championship. If it were true that anyone could coach championship caliber players I'd have Geno's job.
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Her title was a long time ago. Even Lombardi didn't have it when he came back. Anyone who can look at what she's done to the Sun in the last two years and still carry her water must be on the payroll.
 
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Waquoit said:
Her title was a long time ago. Even Lombardi didn't have it when he came back. Anyone who can look at what she's done to the Sun in the last two years and still carry her water must be on the payroll.
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Good God. You make it sound like the Sun deliberately hired a bad coach so the team would lose. She hasn't "done" anything to the Sun, not in the way you are implying.

I'm not saying Donovan is perfect, she isn't, she makes her share of mistakes like every other coach in the WNBA.

IMO she got a raw deal her first season- it became obvious as the season went on that many players resented her because of their loyalty to Mike Thibault, which IMO was damned unprofessional on their part. So they dogged it.
That team was painful to watch.

Last year it was the Tina Charles debacle & an infusion of young players. Yet that team played hard every.single.game. despite ending the season with another losing record. They even put together a six game winning streak. It was a complete 180 degree turn from the previous year which does not happen without the players respecting their coach and buying into her system. The Sun were actually fun to watch again.

I think this year will be the test. If the Sun have a winning record and make the playoffs the Sun's decision to hire her will be vindicated. If not they probably won't bring her back in 2016 and they'll be back at square one.

For now the team is in the midst of a re-build and everyone is dumping on the coach. In one respect that is normal but the venom directed at Donovan here makes me wonder if some of you aren't related to Mike Thibault in some way.............
 
Beemer said:
It was a complete 180 degree turn from the previous year ...
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The Sun was 25-9 when they choked and fired Thibault. Donovan took that team and went 10-24. The team then goes 13-21 and you call that a "complete 180 degree turn"? Yeesh.
 
Beemer said:
Good God. You make it sound like the Sun deliberately hired a bad coach so the team would lose. She hasn't "done" anything to the Sun, not in the way you are implying.

I'm not saying Donovan is perfect, she isn't, she makes her share of mistakes like every other coach in the WNBA.

IMO she got a raw deal her first season- it became obvious as the season went on that many players resented her because of their loyalty to Mike Thibault, which IMO was damned unprofessional on their part. So they dogged it.
That team was painful to watch.

Last year it was the Tina Charles debacle & an infusion of young players. Yet that team played hard every.single.game. despite ending the season with another losing record. They even put together a six game winning streak. It was a complete 180 degree turn from the previous year which does not happen without the players respecting their coach and buying into her system. The Sun were actually fun to watch again.

I think this year will be the test. If the Sun have a winning record and make the playoffs the Sun's decision to hire her will be vindicated. If not they probably won't bring her back in 2016 and they'll be back at square one.

For now the team is in the midst of a re-build and everyone is dumping on the coach. In one respect that is normal but the venom directed at Donovan here makes me wonder if some of you aren't related to Mike Thibault in some way...
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Beemer- - - The problem with the CT Sun and Anne Donovan is the Sun fired Mike Thibault on Nov. 2 and hired AD on Jan. 20th! Who fires one of the best coaches in the WNBA then waits 2 1/2 months to hire AD? If you plan on firing Mike T. you have his replacement already hired, standing by to be announced asap! After that amount of time they were left with the dregs! If the Sun truly wanted AD as first choice to replace MT, why wait so long to hire her? I have never liked AD, she is a mean, nasty woman, who screwed Barbara Turner big time when she was with Seattle, and we started to see how AD felt about UCONN players and now she's gotten rid of everyone and Kelly Faris in camp will make it a clean sweep!
 
Waquoit said:
Her title was a long time ago. Even Lombardi didn't have it when he came back. Anyone who can look at what she's done to the Sun in the last two years and still carry her water must be on the payroll.
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That's not a fair assessment of what's happened at Conn. She took over from a coach whose players (some of them anyway) wanted the old coach to stay. So much so they packed it in for the season.
So she's had to rebuild the team from the ground up. She got a couple of nice draft choices and the team might've been a playoff team this year except for Chiney's injury. They still might make it this year but DC will get better and better.
 
RSHERMVIKES said:
Beemer- - - The problem with the CT Sun and Anne Donovan is the Sun fired Mike Thibault on Nov. 2 and hired AD on Jan. 20th! Who fires one of the best coaches in the WNBA then waits 2 1/2 months to hire AD? If you plan on firing Mike T. you have his replacement already hired, standing by to be announced asap! After that amount of time they were left with the dregs! If the Sun truly wanted AD as first choice to replace MT, why wait so long to hire her? I have never liked AD, she is a mean, nasty woman, who screwed Barbara Turner big time when she was with Seattle, and we started to see how AD felt about UCONN players and now she's gotten rid of everyone and Kelly Faris in camp will make it a clean sweep!
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She didn't seem any nastier than any other coach from what I've seen. All of them are pretty competitive and they have to be.

It remains to be seen if Faris is back but if they're smart they'll keep her and find ways to use her.
 
Sad to see all the huskies including RM leave. To be honest I'm not sure of the trade with all the players including draft picks. Hope it works out for both.

However, with that said, our coach drove out Tina and seemed like she used her in some crackpot way. She's accomplished nothing for a long, long time. It still is mind-boggling the GM kicked out Coach T. And this trade better not hurt us for the Stewie sweepstakes.
 
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Striper69 said:
That's not a fair assessment of what's happened at Conn. She took over from a coach whose players (some of them anyway) wanted the old coach to stay. So much so they packed it in for the season.
So she's had to rebuild the team from the ground up. She got a couple of nice draft choices and the team might've been a playoff team this year except for Chiney's injury. They still might make it this year but DC will get better and better.
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I've noticed the party line from the AD supporters. The players she inherited were a bunch of quitters so she had to run them out of town and rebuild. Wrong, the failed relationship with the players is on her. Only a hack can't find a way to work with MVP caliber players. And it was real classy the way she smeared Tina Charles after she dumped her.

And now four months before the first game, the AD supporters are already making excuses for another lousy season. I wouldn't be surprised if AD was popping the cork when Chiney went down. Her main goal is keeping her job and towards that end having an excuse for losing is just as good as winning.

And I love that line "DC will get better and better". I wonder why?
 
Striper69 said:
She didn't seem any nastier than any other coach from what I've seen. All of them are pretty competitive and they have to be.

It remains to be seen if Faris is back but if they're smart they'll keep her and find ways to use her.
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Striper- - - I'm referring to:
1. when AD was at Seattle Barbara Turner was one of her players, BT was playing in Europe with a couple weeks left and Seattle camp was getting ready to open. AD contacted BT telling her she better be at 1st practice or she'll be cut so BT left her Euro team, breaking her contract, and after the 2nd practice AD cut her and BT was sued by Euro team for breaking contract!
2. When Kara Lawson was with the Sun, she hurt her back and couldn't play, right after her Dad had a heart attack and KL told AD/Sun she was going to rehab in VA and help take care of her Dad. After a couple weeks AD told Kara she had to come back & rehab in CT! Kara said no her Dad was still not well so she stayed. After the season The Sun traded KL and at the presser to announce the trade AD said she didn't want anyone on her team that had no desire to play, and didn't give 100% to the team! Why say something nasty, just thank KL for her time in CT and leave it at that, but no she had to bad mouth KL. And most BYers would say KL never had ANY problem with attitude/desire she would run through a wall for any team she played on!
3. In a few presser's after losses with the Sun she did a J. P. McCallie impression and bad mouthed some performances throwing them under the bus!
She's just a nasty, rotten human being! The Sun could have gotten someone better than AD in 2 1/2 months between MT getting fired and AD being hired!
 
And personally I don't care if The Sun has ANY UCONN players, but it sure seems AD has a dislike for UCONN players maybe she doesn't like Geno, I don't know! The only UCONN player she didn't can was Sue Bird, and the fans in Seattle would have burned AD at the stake if she ever tried that!
 
Waquoit said:
I've noticed the party line from the AD supporters. The players she inherited were a bunch of quitters so she had to run them out of town and rebuild. Wrong, the failed relationship with the players is on her. Only a hack can't find a way to work with MVP caliber players. And it was real classy the way she smeared Tina Charles after she dumped her.

And now four months before the first game, the AD supporters are already making excuses for another lousy season. I wouldn't be surprised if AD was popping the cork when Chiney went down. Her main goal is keeping her job and towards that end having an excuse for losing is just as good as winning.

And I love that line "DC will get better and better". I wonder why?
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Definitely not popping the cork. But anyways--------- the rest of it I agree.
 
The Ct Sun have not been right since Mike Thibault left. Tina Charles couldn't
get out of there fast enough. Renee probably felt the same way.
Thibault seems to like Uconn girls (Dolson/Hartley). I would not be
surprised of he drafted Kiah Stokes at #8, but would raather see her go
to the Lynx at #11. I think that is a very good situation for Kiah. She can
learn from Brunson and McCarvel and have time to work on her offense.
 
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Striper69 said:
That's not a fair assessment of what's happened at Conn. She took over from a coach whose players (some of them anyway) wanted the old coach to stay. So much so they packed it in for the season.
So she's had to rebuild the team from the ground up. She got a couple of nice draft choices and the team might've been a playoff team this year except for Chiney's injury. They still might make it this year but DC will get better and better.
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the Mystics will improve but they won't win a championship. Thibault just can't get his teams over the hump, that's why Sienko fired him.
 
mrmojack said:
The Ct Sun have not been right since Mike Thibault left. Tina Charles couldn't
get out of there fast enough. Renee probably felt the same way.
Thibault seems to like Uconn girls (Dolson/Hartley). I would not be
surprised of he drafted Kiah Stokes at #8, but would raather see her go
to the Lynx at #11. I think that is a very good situation for Kiah. She can
learn from Brunson and McCarvel and have time to work on her offense.
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Seemed like Charles wanted to play in NYC.

Another team that would be great for Stokes is Chicago. Just what they need to compliment EDD and Fowler in the frontcourt.
 
svetbird said:
as a die hard storm fan, you guys will love Little. Strick drives me crazy and never seems to play up to her potential. So happy about this trade. can't wait to see Renee in our jersey! too bad it took Little I guess my Little jersey is vintage now...
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Yeah, Strick needs a fire lit under her. Pat was always getting on her for not playing more aggressively. She is SUPER talented though.
 
Beemer said:
As for Huskies on or off the Sun roster here is a column that sums up my thinking pretty accurately- not usually a fan of DiMauro but he nailed it:

http://www.theday.com/sports-columns/20150201/sun-had-to-make-this-deal
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I think the problem with this article is you may have neither. I don't think the sun will be good, and that means you need to at least get the fans excited about something. I drive in from Rochester to see the team a few times a year. UCONN players are beloved and even when the sun are being crushed, give the fans something to cheer for. If the team sucks and have no UConn players it will be a LONG year.
 
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Beemer said:
the Mystics will improve but they won't win a championship. Thibault just can't get his teams over the hump, that's why Sienko fired him.
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And I'm sure he regrets that decision every day. And if he doesn't, he should. They used to say that Calhoun would never get his teams over the hump. Until he did. The Sun was in the mix almost every year. That's not easy to do. And they were in the mix because of Thibault, not Sienko. And why isn't Sienko on the hot seat? He fired the best coach in the league and the result is two straight last place finishes. And probably three, with no hope on the horizon. Has he even won a trade since Thibault left? The Sun was a marquee WNBA franchise, now they are a joke.
 
RSHERMVIKES said:
Striper- - - I'm referring to:
1. when AD was at Seattle Barbara Turner was one of her players, BT was playing in Europe with a couple weeks left and Seattle camp was getting ready to open. AD contacted BT telling her she better be at 1st practice or she'll be cut so BT left her Euro team, breaking her contract, and after the 2nd practice AD cut her and BT was sued by Euro team for breaking contract!
2. When Kara Lawson was with the Sun, she hurt her back and couldn't play, right after her Dad had a heart attack and KL told AD/Sun she was going to rehab in VA and help take care of her Dad. After a couple weeks AD told Kara she had to come back & rehab in CT! Kara said no her Dad was still not well so she stayed. After the season The Sun traded KL and at the presser to announce the trade AD said she didn't want anyone on her team that had no desire to play, and didn't give 100% to the team! Why say something nasty, just thank KL for her time in CT and leave it at that, but no she had to bad mouth KL. And most BYers would say KL never had ANY problem with attitude/desire she would run through a wall for any team she played on!
3. In a few presser's after losses with the Sun she did a J. P. McCallie impression and bad mouthed some performances throwing them under the bus!
She's just a nasty, rotten human being! The Sun could have gotten someone better than AD in 2 1/2 months between MT getting fired and AD being hired!
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I'm not sure what bothers me more--badmouthing Tina Charles or badmouthing Kara Lawson. Sure, Kara played for the Orange team, but no one has more integrity than Kara.
 
The WNBA draft is only a little more than two months away. Who do you think Seattle will pick with their #1 and #3 draft picks?

Me, I'd say:

#1- KML
#3- Kiah Stokes.
 
RSHERMVIKES said:
Striper- - - I'm referring to:
1. when AD was at Seattle Barbara Turner was one of her players, BT was playing in Europe with a couple weeks left and Seattle camp was getting ready to open. AD contacted BT telling her she better be at 1st practice or she'll be cut so BT left her Euro team, breaking her contract, and after the 2nd practice AD cut her and BT was sued by Euro team for breaking contract!
2. When Kara Lawson was with the Sun, she hurt her back and couldn't play, right after her Dad had a heart attack and KL told AD/Sun she was going to rehab in VA and help take care of her Dad. After a couple weeks AD told Kara she had to come back & rehab in CT! Kara said no her Dad was still not well so she stayed. After the season The Sun traded KL and at the presser to announce the trade AD said she didn't want anyone on her team that had no desire to play, and didn't give 100% to the team! Why say something nasty, just thank KL for her time in CT and leave it at that, but no she had to bad mouth KL. And most BYers would say KL never had ANY problem with attitude/desire she would run through a wall for any team she played on!
3. In a few presser's after losses with the Sun she did a J. P. McCallie impression and bad mouthed some performances throwing them under the bus!
She's just a nasty, rotten human being! The Sun could have gotten someone better than AD in 2 1/2 months between MT getting fired and AD being hired!
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I can see where you're coming from. Didn't know about Turner and only heard a little about what was going on with Kara. I just read that she had back problems.

OK. Who should be the next coach then?
 
Striper69 said:
I can see where you're coming from. Didn't know about Turner and only heard a little about what was going on with Kara. I just read that she had back problems.

OK. Who should be the next coach then?
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Striper- - - I'm going out of the box but I think the Sun should hire Debbie Black who's been Head Coach at Eastern Illinois U. for 3-4 years and had been an Asst. under Jim Foster at The Ohio State U. before that! She's one of the most popular of the Sun Alumni and with her fiery personality and enthusiasm and her knowledge of the game, I think she'll be a great hire! But I don't think Etess and Sienko, Sun Management, can think that creatively, they did hire Anne Donovan afterall!
 
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