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willie99 said:
have we received Daniel Hamilton's LOI yet?

as long as this class is not as bad as our 10/11 class, we should be ok

how many UConn fans still don't know our path to victory? hint, it's not the path Dook took this year and it's not the system that made Squid a good coach
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Squid isn't a good coach-- he's a talent whore
 
cohenzone said:
Seems like some young guys can be pretty obnoxious.
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Agreed - nuances aside - our recruiting results since Adams/Enoch verbaled have been poor. There has been no positive news. Add to all the holes any objective observer sees on our roster and we have our work cut out for ourselves. When the main pipeline is perhaps with Ivy League transfers it may please the academics but not the basketball fans.
 
Chief00 said:
Agreed - nuances aside - our recruiting results since Adams/Enoch verbaled have been poor. There has been no positive news. Add to all the holes any objective observer sees on our roster and we have our work cut out for ourselves. When the main pipeline is perhaps with Ivy League transfers it may please the academics but not the basketball fans.
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Sorry Chief, Shonn Miller is a good player regardless of what team he played on previously.
 
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We loved "pipelines" because JC used them (see: Israel), but nowhere is it written that they are essential.

On the 2013-14 roster, we had players from the following sources:
  • NEPSAC
  • CT public
  • Germany
  • MD public
  • IL public
  • NYC catholic
  • WI public
  • NYC public
  • Long Island catholic
  • Germany
That's two out of ten scholarship players coming from the same source, and it worked out just fine for the team in the end. I don't care where our guys come from as long as they work hard and turn into players that can help UCONN win.
 
businesslawyer said:
He made a sweet 16 at friggin u mass before he bought Marcus canby. I don't like the guy either, but give him a team that he can coach, as opposed to players who come to him for coddling and babysitting, and I don't doubt he can coach
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These players that seek "coddling and babysitting" are players that Calipari recruited. So, in effect, Calipari more or less hand-picked players that he can't coach? Doesn't seem to be a wise strategy for a good coach to employ.
 
UCbcm said:
These players that seek "coddling and babysitting" are players that Calipari recruited. So, in effect, Calipari more or less hand-picked players that he can't coach? Doesn't seem to be a wise strategy for a good coach to employ.
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Yes. Totally idiotic strategy. He should be more worried about convincing you and others that he can still coach than bringing in the talent to get to 4 of the last 5 Final Fours.
 
businesslawyer said:
Yes. Totally idiotic strategy. He should be more worried about convincing you and others that he can still coach than bringing in the talent to get to 4 of the last 5 Final Fours.
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Thats exactly my point, he relies on talent to carry him instead of recruiting players that he can coach. Bringing in talent makes you a good recruiter, not a good coach. Good coaches want to coach, not supervise.

But I guess it's a matter of personal opinion. To each his own
 
UCbcm said:
Squid isn't a good coach-- he's a talent whore
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you missed my sarcasm my friend

it's the one and done system that made him, and that's not our path to championships
 
UCbcm said:
Thats exactly my point, he relies on talent to carry him instead of recruiting players that he can coach. Bringing in talent makes you a good recruiter, not a good coach. Good coaches want to coach, not supervise.

But I guess it's a matter of personal opinion. To each his own
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LOL, no, you can call it a draw but its not just a matter of persona opinion. You said "Squid isn't a good coach." The fact is he has proven that he is a good coach. He's just opting (successfully) to build teams in a manner less about his coaching than the raw talent of his players.
 
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businesslawyer said:
LOL, no, you can call it a draw but its not just a matter of persona opinion. You said "Squid isn't a good coach." The fact is he has proven that he is a good coach. He's just opting (successfully) to build teams in a manner less about his coaching than the raw talent of his players.
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Yea the 30 ft airball that resulted from the lack of play calling during the timeout when UK needed a bucket late in the 2nd half against Wisconsin was the icing on the cake for me. In the biggest moment of their season, he had the opportunity to prove his doubters wrong and didn't. So I'll hold onto my personal opinion of him.

You say good coach, I say overrated.
 
willie99 said:
you missed my sarcasm my friend

it's the one and done system that made him, and that's not our path to championships
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Yea not surprised I missed it.. I'm terrible at recognizing sarcasm online.
 
Chief00 said:
Agreed - nuances aside - our recruiting results since Adams/Enoch verbaled have been poor.
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Here is why that's an amazing statement: they are part of the class that is still being recruited. The only results that matter in recruiting are at the end of the process. To say that you liked November and not March within one recruiting year makes no sense whatsoever.
 
UCbcm said:
Yea the 30 ft airball that resulted from the lack of play calling during the timeout when UK needed a bucket late in the 2nd half against Wisconsin was the icing on the cake for me. In the biggest moment of their season, he had the opportunity to prove his doubters wrong and didn't. So I'll hold onto my personal opinion of him.

You say good coach, I say overrated.
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Yes. Because you can judge a coach by what his players do in one instance on the court. Like you know what he said do to in the TO and whether it was a bad plan or poorly executed.
 
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businesslawyer said:
Here is why that's an amazing statement: they are part of the class that is still being recruited. The only results that matter in recruiting are at the end of the process. To say that you liked November and not March within one recruiting year makes no sense whatsoever.
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And this cycle includes a period of handcuffs and transition. The next two cycles are the important ones.
 
businesslawyer said:
Yes. Because you can judge a coach by what his players do in one instance on the court. Like you know what he said do to in the TO and whether it was a bad plan or poorly executed.
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All he has proven is that he can recruit by selling a certain plan/scheme to a bunch of guys whose only pursuit in life is to make the NBA. Period. He's not there to possibly help a troubled youth and guide him into a rightful path (JC and Caron). He can't say I made player X better because they aren't there long enough to gauge that progress. He's there to see what a collection of above average players can do for his legacy. He has turned a once proud blue blood program into a meat factory.
His history starting at UMass going to Memphis then the NBA is a road of wreck and ruin like the road to Berlin in 1945. He won an NCAA title because he had a freak of an athlete named Anthony Davis who nobody had an answer for much like individual performances of Pervis Ellison or Danny Manning or Kemba. Other than that he has showed little, considering the talent he has been utilizing. I don't care how many final fours etc - I could coach those teams that far.
He is unproven as a tactician and has not come through with any amount of success when the times get tough.
I can't understand how he is a HoFer with the abandoned wins, etc. And Pete Rose can't get into the HoF????
 
gtcam said:
All he has proven is that he can recruit by selling a certain plan/scheme to a bunch of guys whose only pursuit in life is to make the NBA. Period. He's not there to possibly help a troubled youth and guide him into a rightful path (JC and Caron). He can't say I made player X better because they aren't there long enough to gauge that progress. He's there to see what a collection of above average players can do for his legacy. He has turned a once proud blue blood program into a meat factory.
His history starting at UMass going to Memphis then the NBA is a road of wreck and ruin like the road to Berlin in 1945. He won an NCAA title because he had a freak of an athlete named Anthony Davis who nobody had an answer for much like individual performances of Pervis Ellison or Danny Manning or Kemba. Other than that he has showed little, considering the talent he has been utilizing. I don't care how many final fours etc - I could coach those teams that far.
He is unproven as a tactician and has not come through with any amount of success when the times get tough.
I can't understand how he is a HoFer with the abandoned wins, etc. And Pete Rose can't get into the HoF????
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I don't think this is true at all. Eric Bledsoe was living in a car and now he's making damn near a hundred million dollars in the NBA.
 
David 76 said:
In 3 of those 4 he was outcoached by UCONN (2) and Wisconsin
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Cal is 1-1 vs. Wisconsin in the Final Four though--and Bo is perhaps the best x-and-os coach out there.

People who say Cal can't coach have to throw out the success he had--pre-Camby--at UMass. We can not like or respect a guy, but to ignore his success reeks of sour grapes. It's silly, especially when he has 1 title and during his coaching career UConn has 4.
 
tzznandrew said:
Cal is 1-1 vs. Wisconsin in the Final Four though--and Bo is perhaps the best x-and-os coach out there.

People who say Cal can't coach have to throw out the success he had--pre-Camby--at UMass. We can not like or respect a guy, but to ignore his success reeks of sour grapes. It's silly, especially when he has 1 title and during his coaching career UConn has 4.
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I doubt anyone actually believes Cal "can't coach". I mean his best job would seem to be the Camby days when he made the likes of Kellogg, Padilla, Herndon and Traveiso key parts of a very successful run. That team flat out guarded people and played hard.

Problem is when you get the studs he gets and can't win it all, freshman or not, there needs to be questions of your ability. He's done it to himself.
 
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mauconnfan said:
I doubt anyone actually believes Cal "can't coach". I mean his best job would seem to be the Camby days when he made the likes of Kellogg, Padilla, Herndon and Traveiso key parts of a very successful run. That team flat out guarded people and played hard.

Problem is when you get the studs he gets and can't win it all, freshman or not, there needs to be questions of your ability. He's done it to himself.
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I don't know--read some of the comments. And he's only won 1 title, true, but since 2006, at Memphis:

06: E8
07: E8
08: Runner-up
09: S16
10: E8
11: FF
12: National Champ
13: NIT
14: Runner-Up
15: FF

I mean, that's pretty crazy: since 2006, a Cal coached team has been in the Elite 8 8 out of 10 years, and in the Final Four 5 out of 10 years.

Some of that has to do with the talent he pulls in. But it's more than that. I don't put him up there with JC, K and that group, but he's very clearly in that next tier of elite coaches.
 
tzznandrew said:
Some of that has to do with the talent he pulls in. But it's more than that. I don't put him up there with JC, K and that group, but he's very clearly in that next tier of elite coaches.
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HANGING! lol
 
tzznandrew said:
I don't know--read some of the comments. And he's only won 1 title, true, but since 2006, at Memphis:

06: E8
07: E8
08: Runner-up
09: S16
10: E8
11: FF
12: National Champ
13: NIT
14: Runner-Up
15: FF

I mean, that's pretty crazy: since 2006, a Cal coached team has been in the Elite 8 8 out of 10 years, and in the Final Four 5 out of 10 years.

Some of that has to do with the talent he pulls in. But it's more than that. I don't put him up there with JC, K and that group, but he's very clearly in that next tier of elite coaches.
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Good numbers no doubt, but there's no denying there are numerous coaches who could have done the same with those recruits and maybe a few who would have brought those numbers to another level. There's an argument for both, but tzz no doubt he can coach a little. Anyone saying otherwise is only looking at the person. Overrated though? Another argument to be had, but I believe yes!
 
tzznandrew said:
I don't know--read some of the comments. And he's only won 1 title, true, but since 2006, at Memphis:

06: E8
07: E8
08: Runner-up
09: S16
10: E8
11: FF
12: National Champ
13: NIT
14: Runner-Up
15: FF

I mean, that's pretty crazy: since 2006, a Cal coached team has been in the Elite 8 8 out of 10 years, and in the Final Four 5 out of 10 years.

Some of that has to do with the talent he pulls in. But it's more than that. I don't put him up there with JC, K and that group, but he's very clearly in that next tier of elite coaches.
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i went to look up Memphis' 2008 run to the Finals and i couldn't find it. Then i remembered, that's because it never happened. Whether the Squid can coach or not is irrelevant.....I believe he is the only coach to have TWO final fours vacated, and my guess is that tally isn't done yet.
 
businesslawyer said:
He made a sweet 16 at friggin u mass before he bought Marcus canby. I don't like the guy either, but give him a team that he can coach, as opposed to players who come to him for coddling and babysitting, and I don't doubt he can coach
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Can he put together a squad and get them to play to their strengths? Yes

Can he coach the end game? I don't think he's shown that yet. I don't see game management as a strength.
 
uconngb said:
i went to look up Memphis' 2008 run to the Finals and i couldn't find it. Then i remembered, that's because it never happened. Whether the Squid can coach or not is irrelevant.....I believe he is the only coach to have TWO final fours vacated, and my guess is that tally isn't done yet.
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Such BS they took that from us because the NCAA couldn't prove anything
 
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