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Seems as though there are 2 schools of thought on Fagnano

He has a body of work up to and including his time at UConn and he clearly isn't good enough.

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He doesn't have a body of work AT the level he is playing and with higher level coaching and will require more (2 games??) of playing time to know if he has the stuff.

I hope we never get to find out about Joe because Welliver or McDonald or Evers are clearly superior. Based on nothing, I hope its McDonald!
 
Huskyforlife said:
We need to stop spreading the lie that Fagnano was a good QB at any level. It never made sense to recruit him, unless we thought he’d only be a good locker room presence, and our last resort after multiple injuries.

He was a mediocre FCS QB that played predictably worse at the FBS level. Zion Turner was better than him.

It would tell the entire story about this coaching staff if he ever plays another snap for us. You’d be better off playing and getting the other underclassmen experience for their futures.

The three underclassmen QBs on our roster boast physical talent and potential that we haven’t seen since before Robersons injury took away his athleticism. One of those guys needs to be the opening day starter, it’s a failure if we cannot get any of them ready by game 1.

I don’t blame Fagnano at all for being pushed by incompetent leaders(Hopefully mostly Charlton), and I hope he stays and supports whoever wins the starting job by being the best teammate he can.

I’m sorry this is harsh, but people cannot pretend to be okay with being less than mediocre anymore.
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I posted something like this in another thread. I think people fixated on a couple of games, BC in particular, where he threw for a lot of yards. But in his last year at Maine he averaged around 200 yds/game. He had 298 in a blowout loss to BC but against another FBS team, New Mexico, he had 96.

I look at him as a backup. Your starter gets injured he gives you an experienced guy to hold the fort and finish the game. Maybe he plays a game while the #1 gets better or you are prepping a younger guy if it is a longer term injury. I don’t see him as a long term solution.

I guess I’m not as harsh as you, but fundamentally we agree.
 
Patman said:
I see we've come to such a clear definitive call based upon a whopping 5 quarters of football.
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If you can’t tell he stinks after looking at the available stats and tape, that’s a you problem.
 
freescooter said:
I posted something like this in another thread. I think people fixated on a couple of games, BC in particular, where he threw for a lot of yards. But in his last year at Maine he averaged around 200 yds/game. He had 298 in a blowout loss to BC but against another FBS team, New Mexico, he had 96.

I look at him as a backup. Your starter gets injured he gives you an experienced guy to hold the fort and finish the game. Maybe he plays a game while the #1 gets better or you are prepping a younger guy if it is a longer term injury. I don’t see him as a long term solution.

I guess I’m not as harsh as you, but fundamentally we agree.
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He just can’t be the game one starter. I’m fine with him as a backup, I wouldn’t expect our backup to be a world beater. But if he takes any snaps, we better pray the defense is back.
 
freescooter said:
I posted something like this in another thread. I think people fixated on a couple of games, BC in particular, where he threw for a lot of yards. But in his last year at Maine he averaged around 200 yds/game. He had 298 in a blowout loss to BC but against another FBS team, New Mexico, he had 96.

I look at him as a backup. Your starter gets injured he gives you an experienced guy to hold the fort and finish the game. Maybe he plays a game while the #1 gets better or you are prepping a younger guy if it is a longer term injury. I don’t see him as a long term solution.

I guess I’m not as harsh as you, but fundamentally we agree.
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I think of Matt Bolinawski
 
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Seems we’ve shored up the defense. Some returning. 3 DB in the portal.

I’m guessing that this D will give the O a run for the money. Whatever QB wins they’ll have to work hard.

Evers has really good wheels and may decide it with his speed.
 
Sometimes you get a skill guy who makes things look easy and it's hard to believe because they're too young, inexperienced don't really have a track record or those "intangibles" of a veteran. For a QB good arm and accuracy but most importantly a feel for the game. So you don't want to believe your eyes. Is Welliver possibly that type of player who might actually be the most productive of the group but flying under the radar?
 
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Jimdish255 said:
Sometimes you get a skill guy who makes things look easy and it's hard to believe because they're too young, inexperienced don't really have a track record or those "intangibles" of a veteran. For a QB good arm and accuracy but most importantly a feel for the game. So you don't want to believe your eyes. Is Welliver possibly that type of player who might actually be the most productive of the group but flying under the radar?
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To me, Welliver just looked relaxed and confident. He looked like a senior that has started for 3 years.
 
My gut feeling after today's scrimmage is Welliver should to be in the top 2 on the depth chart. He's a tall kid, has a strong arm, poise in the pocket, he put up huge numbers in high school & racked up all-state honors...(in Texas!). His potential is massive. What are we doing if we don't get this kid some playing time this year?
 
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BugsyCT said:
My gut feeling after today's scrimmage is Welliver should to be in the top 2 on the depth chart. He's a tall kid, has a strong arm, poise in the pocket, he put up huge numbers in high school & racked up all-state honors...(in Texas!). His potential is massive. What are we doing if we don't get this kid some playing time this year?
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Winning
 
BugsyCT said:
My gut feeling after today's scrimmage is Welliver should to be in the top 2 on the depth chart. He's a tall kid, has a strong arm, poise in the pocket, he put up huge numbers in high school & racked up all-state honors...(in Texas!). His potential is massive. What are we doing if we don't get this kid some playing time this year?
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We'd be taking a risk of him being 0 for 1 or 1 and done. But that's a risk anyway. You'd rather at least know what his potential is if he's even in practice with the other guys. And I'm generally against a true frosh QB unless he really shows poise and we have a line that can protect. But both may be true.
 
I would've liked to see Welliver against the 1st team defense. The first team defense overwhelmed the first team offense in general, it would've been nice to have a more direct comparison, as the second team offense generally could move the ball against the second team defense
 
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ScottVib said:
I would've liked to see Welliver against the 1st team defense. The first team defense overwhelmed the first team offense in general, it would've been nice to have a more direct comparison, as the second team offense generally could move the ball against the second team defense
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Was interesting (and maybe telling) that Mora didn’t put him against the first team. He looked far and away the qb with the best best decision making and arm talent. Tough to draw conclusions from one practice but if this is the theme throughout the summer, not sure how he’s not the guy starting week 1. Hopefully was just a bad day for the presumptive QB1.
 
With Evers dinged up that could result in Welliver getting more reps with the 1s giving him a chance to make a case.

In that event I hope he does exactly that.
 
If the decision were made today, I think it would be Fagnano against Maryland. It wouldn't surprise me if Welliver was number two on the depth chart.

There's time for someone in the QB room to separate themselves from the pack. Hopefully that happens.
 
CL82 said:
If the decision were made today, I think it would be Fagnano against Maryland. It wouldn't surprise me if Welliver was number two on the depth chart.

There's time for someone in the QB room to separate themselves from the pack. Hopefully that happens.
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It makes sense to start Fagnano vs Maryland even if Welliver is perceived to have the highest ceiling as a passer. Starting a true freshman vs Maryland when we will be a huge underdog makes little sense.
 
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metsfan2323 said:
It makes sense to start Fagnano vs Maryland even if Welliver is perceived to have the highest ceiling as a passer. Starting a true freshman vs Maryland when we will be a huge underdog makes little sense.
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I dunno. Why not give him the chance in that situation. Not much expectations means room for something to happen.

I'm not the coach. I'd side to whatever leads to long haul benefit and best choice for player psychology
 
metsfan2323 said:
It makes sense to start Fagnano vs Maryland even if Welliver is perceived to have the highest ceiling as a passer. Starting a true freshman vs Maryland when we will be a huge underdog makes little sense.
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I agree but, unless Fagnano really impresses at Maryland, I can see a switch to Welliver (or Evers if he earns it in practice) for the home game against Merrimack.
 
Why do we dance around with kid gloves?. These are high level athletes. Put the best QB out there. You dont "give up" an opportunity because we are a big underdog. Unfortunately I was traveling yesterday but consensus seems Welliver played best. If that is what is happening every day in practice there is no choice. Especially in this day and age. That said I will leave it to those who see things every day.
 
businesslawyer said:
Define "never had." Given that he did make a few cameos as a true freshman.
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P never gave Nebrich meaningful minutes even after Trick Shot lost game after game.

There is only one way to judge a QB. It's how they play when the lights are on. It hard for coaches to deal with the fact that practice can be a mirage. That is why Bill Parcells, one of the great coaches of his generation, started Scott Brunner ahead of Phil Simms.

Until we see these guys play in a game -- nothing means nothing.
 
Palatine said:
P never gave Nebrich meaningful minutes even after Trick Shot lost game after game.

There is only one way to judge a QB. It's how they play when the lights are on. It hard for coaches to deal with the fact that practice can be a mirage. That is why Bill Parcells, one of the great coaches of his generation, started Scott Brunner ahead of Phil Simms.

Until we see these guys play in a game -- nothing means nothing.
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Pasquaoni was way past his time and a coward.

I don't know if it's best to throw a guy into the fire but I'm good if coach is good
 
Kowalski said:
I agree but, unless Fagnano really impresses at Maryland, I can see a switch to Welliver (or Evers if he earns it in practice) for the home game against Merrimack.
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Which is almost a little unfair to Fagnano, but that's my guess as well.
 
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