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Jim Bowden of the Athletic predicts Eovaldi will get a 3-year, $42M contract. I say do it!
 
Waquoit said:
I would prefer Joe Kelly.
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Should do both if possible. Sox need to keep most of the staff (and bolster it). Maybe take a tax hit one year, until all that dead money is off the books.
 
I would prefer Joe Kelly in relief and Eovaldi stay a starter, both for the Sox.
 
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Pass on kelly. Bring back Andrew Miller on a pillow deal.
 
Waquoit said:
Jim Bowden of the Athletic predicts Eovaldi will get a 3-year, $42M contract. I say do it!
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I think he gets more than that. Getting less than Alex Cobb sounds like a non starter for me.
 
Eovaldi as a closer is very intriguing. He's an above average SP. But his stuff and velocity as a closer (or Andrew Miller type RP) can be downright dominating.
 
Dooley said:
Eovaldi as a closer is very intriguing. He's an above average SP. But his stuff and velocity as a closer (or Andrew Miller type RP) can be downright dominating.
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As much as people want to go rp crazy, you need starters to get to October.

And the Sox cannot be content with Brian Johnson in the 5 spot and have almost zero to trade thanks to injuries, suspensions, and down years.
 
the Q said:
As much as people want to go rp crazy, you need starters to get to October.

And the Sox cannot be content with Brian Johnson in the 5 spot and have almost zero to trade thanks to injuries, suspensions, and down years.
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Definitely agree. SP is still important, no matter how many teams use an "Opener". I do think there is player by player analysis and seeing how each individual player's skill sets can be best used to succeed. Just like Andrew Miller, Eovaldi certainly has the stuff to be a dominating RP/CP. It will come down to where the Sox feel their biggest need is obviously. But from a player standpoint, I think Eovaldi is a much bigger weapon out of the pen than he is as a starter. 102mph at max effort with that breaking stuff is elite stuff.
 
Dooley said:
Definitely agree. SP is still important, no matter how many teams use an "Opener". I do think there is player by player analysis and seeing how each individual player's skill sets can be best used to succeed. Just like Andrew Miller, Eovaldi certainly has the stuff to be a dominating RP/CP. It will come down to where the Sox feel their biggest need is obviously. But from a player standpoint, I think Eovaldi is a much bigger weapon out of the pen than he is as a starter. 102mph at max effort with that breaking stuff is elite stuff.
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In the playoffs, sure. The rest built in and lack of need for long term planning helps.

But for 162 games, you need more.
 
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the Q said:
In the playoffs, sure. The rest built in and lack of need for long term planning helps.

But for 162 games, you need more.
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Sure. I think from a value play, it makes more sense to let Kimbrel walk, re-coup the QO draft comp, sign Eovaldi at 80% Kimbrel, then use the collection of back of rotation arms to fill out SPs 4 & 5. Especially since the Sox are well over luxury tax level and will likely not add payroll (don't know for sure, obviously). Of course, that assumes Eovaldi is open to that and he might want to continue as a SP. The rotation still has Sale, Price, Porcello in it. That's a good 1-2-3. If they let Kimbrel walk, the bullpen is a huge issue over 162 and the playoffs. They can dig out some scrap arms for SPs 4 & 5 and still win the AL East next year. I'm not sure they can win the AL East if they lose Kimbrel, Kelly and/or more from the pen. Brasier was a nice find in 2018 and I have a UConn soft spot for Barnes but that's a rough looking bullpen if those are the Sox two lead arms going into 2019.
 
Not ready to give up on Kimbrel. He seems to pitch best when he pitches 1 inning a day. He loses control if he pitches more than 3 days in a row or has a long time between appearances. He still has excellent velocity even when he is walking the world.
 
Danzz said:
Not ready to give up on Kimbrel. He seems to pitch best when he pitches 1 inning a day. He loses control if he pitches more than 3 days in a row or has a long time between appearances. He still has excellent velocity even when he is walking the world.
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Not against it, but against Jansen money, maybe even wade Davis
 
I didn't want to lose Ellsbury but didn't think he was worth the money he was expecting. Same with Kimbrell.
 
Kimbrel just has the feel of a guy whose career trajectory is about to fall off of a cliff. I think they have to stay disciplined and let him walk.
 
Excalibur said:
Kimbrel just has the feel of a guy whose career trajectory is about to fall off of a cliff. I think they have to stay disciplined and let him walk.
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Agreed.

I’d like familia, but I’m ok with DD waiting out the market (50 relievers on market before non-tenders) and get a few bargains.
 
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If you haven't already, all of you Sox fans should watch the video of Mookie Betts on MLB Network accepting AL MVP. Newborn baby SOUND ASLEEP on his lap while he had friends/family screaming all around him. Awesome stuff!
 
Agree with you guys - they should let Kimbrel walk, take the QO comp, and use that money to re-sign Eovaldi and a few RPs. I think you can replace Kimbrel's stats with someone like Adam Ottavino for 1/3 of the price. Nasty slider. Ran out of gas late in the year but I think you can chalk that up to Mile High air. I can also see the Sox giving Britton some cheap 2 or 3 year deal and then all of a sudden, dude pitches like he did 3 years ago in Baltimore.
 
Dooley said:
Agree with you guys - they should let Kimbrel walk, take the QO comp, and use that money to re-sign Eovaldi and a few RPs. I think you can replace Kimbrel's stats with someone like Adam Ottavino for 1/3 of the price. Nasty slider. Ran out of gas late in the year but I think you can chalk that up to Mile High air. I can also see the Sox giving Britton some cheap 2 or 3 year deal and then all of a sudden, dude pitches like he did 3 years ago in Baltimore.
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Ottavino would be nice.
 
Rotoworld saying Kimbrel is unlikely to resign
 
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If the Red Sox do only two more things for next season, I like their chance. If they can sign Eovaldi (and he wants to stay) and add Robertson or Andrew Miller, that might be enough. The team is already very good and their focus needs to be on extensions.
 
60'sfan said:
If the Red Sox do only two more things for next season, I like their chance. If they can sign Eovaldi (and he wants to stay) and add Robertson or Andrew Miller, that might be enough. The team is already very good and their focus needs to be on extensions.
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Yeah, I think they may wait out the rp market since there are so many out there.

They really need to add slime talent in the infield. Someone to replace kinslers role.

I can’t count on pedoria for anything at this point
 
Totally agree they need Eovaldi back, and as a starter. I would let Kimbrel walk. He isn't what he was and most closers are just guys who got a shot and ran with hit. They can be found in surprising places. Kelly certainly has the velocity and stuff, it's his command that worries me, but it worries me with Kimbrel too.

Relief pitcher performance is too variable to overpay for it.
 
Bringing Kimbrel back for big cash doesn't feel right to me. I mean the Sox didn't use him to close out the World Series.
 
The X Man said:
As the smartest guy on the board once said every team has a Mookie Betts.
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That was the Deep man replying to my post in 2015 when i said the Sox had a great future. Still the dumbest statement of all time on a board that includes Chief. I think he's a Mets fan too which makes it even funnier.
 
Kimbrel is going to walk and that's fine I just hope they can bring in Ottavino or DRob to anchor the pen for the regular season. The conventional closer role may be a dying occupation (hence not overpaying Kimbrel) but you do need some stability over 162 and I really don't know if Barnes or Kelly can be that guy. Eovaldi needs to be resigned but with the stuff he's shown while in Boston it'd be insane to throw him less innings by sticking him in the pen, now come playoff time is a different story obviously.
 
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