South Carolina (5) vs Indiana (17) - 11/28/19

[DaBball]

I don't even know what that was about, I guess we lost at Duke that one time.

Prob Drake.

 

[militarydog]

Here is my take on the SEC right now:

I believe SC, A&M, and MSU are your top 3 teams.

SC has a lot of talent, from the starters through the entire bench. The freshmen are very good but lack that experience. SC's outside shooting raised a flag with me in the Maryland game and it came back to show its ugly head again tonight. 2-19 from 3 with 18 turnovers is bad. I was shocked at how bad T. Harris played and carried herself, was expecting more from the senior. I will give them a slight edge over the other teams as they have played top 25 teams and won against a very solid Maryland squad.

A&M returns everyone and I like the job coach Blair has done. They have flashes where they look terrific. There is a double edge sword with carter, for good and bad. They have all the pieces to win a SEC title. I just am iffy on if the Carter show will be able to sustain success like that. They certainly have pieces to the puzzle.

MSU is still bit of an unknown. I do give them some benefit of the doubt and its 100% because of Vic with the pieces on the team they have this year. The one team they played with a pulse was a decent Marquette team on the road and it came down to the wire. We still don't know how good they truly are as they haven't truly been challenged by a team with similar talent. If they meet up with Stanford, that game will give us a true picture of where that team is at. Blowing out sisters of the poor doesn't prove anything at this point. But I do expect Miss St to be really good by the end of the year. Vic does a good job of playing to their strengths while minimizing their weaknesses. They still have a lot to prove.

1. South Carolina
2. A&M
3. Miss St
4. Kentucky
5. Tennessee


I believe Kentucky and Tennessee are solid but I need to see much more. Tennessee is definitely better coached this year but I need to see more than just the win over ND. Kentucky hasn't played anyone either but they have R. Howard with a great defense.

I haven’t seen Texas A&M effort to see if they have a leader on their team. I don’t see C Carter providing the leadership to win the SEC. Despite today I still see South Carolina as the leader for the SEC title. T Harris is still a very good point guard.

 

[Plebe]

I'd really like to know who you classify as a great team, a good team, or a cupcake. Seems like your definition is hard to follow and can be all over the place.

Pretty simple.

Cupcake = every team MSU has played this year so far except Marquette. Plus all the teams similar to those. Including the bottom 30% of the SEC.

 

[SimpleDawg]

Pretty simple.

Cupcake = every team MSU has played this year so far except Marquette. Plus all the teams similar to those. Including the bottom 30% of the SEC.

I'm not disagreeing with that. No idea what you're trying to reeducate me with.

For the last time ,I don't think playing Jackson State or Troy adds any value to our program, nor can we deduce any conclusions based on those games. I've repeated this ad nauseum.

 

[triaddukefan]

This has been a truly awful week for gamecocks

Its gonna get worse. I was gonna issue some more snark...... then I remember Plebe's avatar... so I'll keep it to a minimum.

 

[Plebe]

I'm not disagreeing with that. No idea what you're trying to reeducate me with.

For the last time ,I don't think playing Jackson State or Troy adds any value to our program, nor can we deduce any conclusions based on those games. I've repeated this ad nauseum.

You're the one who said I was all over the place.

 

[Alydar]

These tropical tournaments are filled with mediocre play. I think for a lot of players it's as if they get off the plane, see the palm trees and ocean and forget they are there to play basketball.

 

[Plebe]

These tropical tournaments are filled with mediocre play. I think for a lot of players it's as if they get off the plane, see the palm trees and ocean and forget they are there to play basketball.

I was impressed with a few of the games today. The Indiana-SC was played at a high level. Indiana brought the intensity and grit and needed all of it to win.

 

[sivad40]

These tropical tournaments are filled with mediocre play. I think for a lot of players it's as if they get off the plane, see the palm trees and ocean and forget they are there to play basketball.

Judging by the social media posts and videos that I have seen from some of the players that are in these tournaments, that seems to be the case.

 

[Plebe]

I'm not disagreeing with that. No idea what you're trying to reeducate me with.

For the last time ,I don't think playing Jackson State or Troy adds any value to our program, nor can we deduce any conclusions based on those games. I've repeated this ad nauseum.

In all seriousness, I think MSU can beat Stanford, if they play. I don't think Stanford has looked at all sharp since the exhibition game. I don't even know if Stanford can get past Syracuse tomorrow.

 

[newfrontier]

These tropical tournaments are filled with mediocre play. I think for a lot of players it's as if they get off the plane, see the palm trees and ocean and forget they are there to play basketball.

Well, Indiana is a lot further from the palm trees and ocean than South Carolina yet I thought they outplayed SC when it counted. Your comment doesn't seem to mesh well with this game.

 

[SimpleDawg]

In all seriousness, I think MSU can beat Stanford, if they play. I don't think Stanford has looked at all sharp since the exhibition game. I don't even know if Stanford can get past Syracuse tomorrow.

I'm not disagreeing with that either. I'm looking at the same scoreboards as you.

I'm just tired of your condescending of Vic's propensity for weak schedules. Not that I'm in disagreeance of that either. And that's not to mention you using me as a springboard to temper that scorch.

We've been through this. I got it. I understood, and I COMPLETELY agree.... the teams we've played prior to Marquette were terrible. But hopefully starting now, you can agree that every 2 out of 3 teams we play from this point on are NOT cupcakes. (I..... don't think Green Bay is a cupcake)

 

[tazmaz]

I'm not disagreeing with that either. I'm looking at the same scoreboards as you.

I'm just tired of your condescending of Vic's propensity for weak schedules. Not that I'm in disagreeance of that either. And that's not to mention you using me as a springboard to temper that scorch.

We've been through this. I got it. I understood, and I COMPLETELY agree.... the teams we've played prior to Marquette were terrible. But hopefully starting now, you can agree that every 2 out of 3 teams we play from this point on are NOT cupcakes. (I..... don't think Green Bay is a cupcake)

How did Grace Berger on Indiana, who played high school ball in L’ville Ky get away from Walz?

Whoops. Have no idea why I attached this to Ms St message above.

 

[Jmsdawg]

Should Indiana rank over SC now, or is that giving a Big Ten team too much credit for a “lucky” win?

Undefeated and beat SC, I rank them above SC. Right now, I do not have any team but Oregon, UConn, and Baylor as final four material.

 

[bballnut90]

Undefeated and beat SC, I rank them above SC. Right now, I do not have any team but Oregon, UConn, and Baylor as final four material.

UCONN is far from a lock too, theyve looked pretty mediocre in a few games so far. It is early but no one besides Oregon looks like a high level team right now. Lots of season to be played

 

[Bayloralum]

UCONN is far from a lock too, theyve looked pretty mediocre in a few games so far. It is early but no one besides Oregon looks like a high level team right now. Lots of season to be played

If Baylor wins all the games this weekend without Lauren cox we are a pretty damn good lock too! Once Lauren cox comes back watch out

 

[eebmg]

These tropical tournaments are filled with mediocre play. I think for a lot of players it's as if they get off the plane, see the palm trees and ocean and forget they are there to play basketball.

Do these tournaments attract enough fans? I know the UConn fans travel well but what other fanbases do? I guess the mix of winter Vacay+basketball is a pretty good draw?

 

[Gamecockfan77]

Pretty simple.

Cupcake = every team MSU has played this year so far except Marquette. Plus all the teams similar to those. Including the bottom 30% of the SEC.

Now do the difference between cupcake and top 20 team on neutral floor.

That's where it gets confusing.

 

[Jmsdawg]

UCONN is far from a lock too, theyve looked pretty mediocre in a few games so far. It is early but no one besides Oregon looks like a high level team right now. Lots of season to be played

I agree, guess my bias is showing, at least I control it enough so I do not have MSST as a lock!

 

[Gamecockfan77]

Prob Drake.

I guess.

 

[DaBball]

Her five fouls for those who could not watch:

IMO, the fourth foul was the most questionable of the five. I guess there was a little body and forearm, but not enough IMO, but I guess it was being called close-ish.

Terri Moren made it a priority to attack Boston from the outside every time, whether it be her man driving, a ball screen, etc. Gulbe blew by Boston late because she couldn't foul and got a wide open layup.

 

[IWearShoes]

Pretty simple.

Cupcake = every team MSU has played this year so far except Marquette. Plus all the teams similar to those. Including the bottom 30% of the SEC.

I don't know if your being completely serious here, but that means that basically any team outside the Massey Top 100 or so is a cupcake based on Mizzou being 95 right now and at the top of the "bottom 30% of the SEC".

Just so we're clear on a cupcake.

 

[bennyskid]

It looks like coach put Boston in defensive positions that she wasn't ready for. When you put a freshman big that far on the perimeter, you are just begging the opponent to let quicker players drive by her. At her age and stage, she's either going to stick a hand or elbow in there or give her a bump with the hip. Based on the 1:12 of this game I just saw, I'd say Staley deserves the loss - this was not a good game plan.

 

[DefenseBB]

UCONN is far from a lock too, theyve looked pretty mediocre in a few games so far. It is early but no one besides Oregon looks like a high level team right now. Lots of season to be played

Wait what? Ok let’s say I agree with your statement about UConn, then the same AND more could be said about every other team including Oregon who struggled with Syracuse. I have now seen all teams but Louisville and MSU play and many multiple times, I am far more comfortable with UConn being a lock over as much as anyone including Oregon. The good news is UConn plays Oregon so we shall see a direct comparison. Not sure who your team is so I am not sure what bias you have (and we all have bias so...)
Stanford has left me underwhelmed in all 3 games I have seen. Baylor I have seen 3 times and plays Louisville tomorrow so we can see how they will look against a top team (they struggled with USF at home) and if they can shoot from the outside (not thinking they can).
There is more parity due to better talent available than even 5 years ago that is now spread around. Whereas the top 20 women were so clearly above the 21-100 women it made for wide team disparity when playing. Now the gap has closed considerably so more teams have more talent that can compete. It’s not like the men’s game yet but is closing the gap.

 

[bballnut90]

Wait what? Ok let’s say I agree with your statement about UConn, then the same AND more could be said about every other team including Oregon who struggled with Syracuse. I have now seen all teams but Louisville and MSU play and many multiple times, I am far more comfortable with UConn being a lock over as much as anyone including Oregon. The good news is UConn plays Oregon so we shall see a direct comparison. Not sure who your team is so I am not sure what bias you have (and we all have bias so...)
Stanford has left me underwhelmed in all 3 games I have seen. Baylor I have seen 3 times and plays Louisville tomorrow so we can see how they will look against a top team (they struggled with USF at home) and if they can shoot from the outside (not thinking they can).
There is more parity due to better talent available than even 5 years ago that is now spread around. Whereas the top 20 women were so clearly above the 21-100 women it made for wide team disparity when playing. Now the gap has closed considerably so more teams have more talent that can compete. It’s not like the men’s game yet but is closing the gap.

UCONN struggled against unranked Ohio State, Vanderbilt and Cal. Havent faced a ranked team yet. Not sure how you can put them above Oregon who has beat Team USA and #17 Syracuse on the road by 17 points. Sure, Cuse was in it in the first half but were down by double digits the entire 4th and never truly threatened Oregon.

 

[bballnut90]

Herbert-Harrigan is so immature.

What happened?

 

[TheGOAT23]

Her five fouls for those who could not watch:

IMO, the fourth foul was the most questionable of the five. I guess there was a little body and forearm, but not enough IMO, but I guess it was being called close-ish.

Terri Moren made it a priority to attack Boston from the outside every time, whether it be her man driving, a ball screen, etc. Gulbe blew by Boston late because she couldn't foul and got a wide open layup.

I agree. The fourth foul does look questionable from that view. However, the ref who made the call had a birds eye view of the play. He must have seen something that I couldn’t see. It would have been weird, if a ref on the other side of the floor made that call, which I have seen more of this year whether it has been a college or professional game.

I’ve seen Indiana play this year. Grace Berger has a motor on her and so does Patberg. Patberg does a good job of running the team.

 

[Plebe]

IMO, the fourth foul was the most questionable of the five. I guess there was a little body and forearm, but not enough IMO, but I guess it was being called close-ish.

Terri Moren made it a priority to attack Boston from the outside every time, whether it be her man driving, a ball screen, etc. Gulbe blew by Boston late because she couldn't foul and got a wide open layup.

I'm sorry, but those are all fouls. You can't put two hands on the dribbler as she's driving around you.

 

[militarydog]

UCONN struggled against unranked Ohio State, Vanderbilt and Cal. Havent faced a ranked team yet. Not sure how you can put them above Oregon who has beat Team USA and #17 Syracuse on the road by 17 points. Sure, Cuse was in it in the first half but were down by double digits the entire 4th and never truly threatened Oregon.

I’ll be interested to see the Boneyard Poll this Monday. Besides Oregon I don’t see a team I’d call a true sure bet right now. Obviously there will be some adjustments in the next poll. However if some of the one loss teams should drop it is going to be difficult to determine who deserves to be ahead of them. For example I never expected South Carolina to go undefeated, especially depending on so many freshmen. However at this point I’m having a hard time making too much of an adjustment to my ranking for them.

 

[DaBball]

I agree. The fourth foul does look questionable from that view. However, the ref who made the call had a birds eye view of the play. He must have seen something that I couldn’t see. It would have been weird, if a ref on the other side of the floor made that call, which I have seen more of this year whether it has been a college or professional game.

I’ve seen Indiana play this year. Grace Berger has a motor on her and so does Patberg. Patberg does a good job of running the team.

Yeah, not a great camera view of the fourth, but the ref was right there.

Berger was impressive. Shot wasn't falling at all times, but she could create, even being defended by a larger, stronger Beal, but she is very quick, and has the ball on a string. Patberg is very solid. In the battle of Indiana PGs, Patberg was better than Harris.

They'll lose Wise, but Patterson will step right in.