Sources Say BYU/UConn will join Big 12 for FB only

[Alum86]

The Dude 1,
Peter Griffin in Bikini & Roller Skates 0

No. McLovin. Bring him back.

 

[UConnJim]

I don't think the Big 12 will invite two football only members, BUT, if they did, BYU and UConn are the only possibilities. Why? Both schools could find another conference for their other sports, the WCC for BYU and the Big East for UConn. None of the other candidates have the option of moving their non-football sports to a legitamate conference.

 

[VPDcurt]

I don't think the Big 12 will invite two football only members, BUT, if they did, BYU and UConn are the only possibilities. Why? Both schools could find another conference for their other sports, the WCC for BYU and the Big East for UConn. None of the other candidates have the option of moving their non-football sports to a legitamate conference.

Only problem with this logic is that it assumes that the Big 12 is concerned about anyone but themselves.

 

[MountainMan]

I don't think the Big 12 will invite two football only members, BUT, if they did, BYU and UConn are the only possibilities. Why? Both schools could find another conference for their other sports, the WCC for BYU and the Big East for UConn. None of the other candidates have the option of moving their non-football sports to a legitamate conference.

True to some degree but just about any school in the Pacific or Mountain time zone could dump their other sports in the WCC, Big West, Summit, or possibly the Big Sky. I believe Hawaii already does this and there is no reason someone like Boise or AFA couldn't do the same. But I dont think Big West, Summit, or Big Sky are considered legitimate conferences.

 

[UConnJim]

Only problem with this logic is that it assumes that the Big 12 is concerned about anyone but themselves.

No school would accept a Big 12 football only invite unless they have a legitimate conference for their other sports. I guess Cinci could try the A10, but who could Houston turn to?

 

[MountainMan]

No school would accept a Big 12 football only invite unless they have a legitimate conference for their other sports. I guess Cinci could try the A10, but who could Houston turn to?

Couldn't Cinci put it's other sports in the Big East?

 

[VPDcurt]

No school would accept a Big 12 football only invite unless they have a legitimate conference for their other sports. I guess Cinci could try the A10, but who could Houston turn to?

I agree. But again, the Big 12 won't invite them for football only simply because their other teams have a nice place to land in another conference.

 

[Huskygrad88]

I don't think this is nearly as far fetched as you guys are making it out to be. When you step back from the situation and look at each interest involved it actually makes some sense.

ESPN doesn't' want to lose the AAC which they own for pennies on the dollar and neither FOX or ESPN want to shell out nearly a billion to add 4 schools to the Big 12.

When yo look at what the Big 12 wants adding schools isn't' really the priority, adding a CCG, increasing payouts, and increasing the chances a Big 12 schools gets in the playoff, are the goals they are after. This actually accomplished most of what they are after.

The Big 12 could easily decide that this accomplishes what they are after in the short term and this will allow them to monitor the landscape the next few years before they decide to let BYU and UConn join as full members and move forward with some sort of a conference network when these t-3 deals come to an end. Grab the 2 most valuable brands out there while not having to deal with the travel issues and other challenges BYU presents.

It's fun to say that Texas and OU are going to leave everyone behind but when you think about what that would actually take to happen it becomes apparent that them leaving is very unlikely for many reasons. Texas is quite happy with it's current situation and has no reason to go elsewhere. OU hs show to be unhappy but if 2/3 borens demands are met with a long term plan for a network OU really has no reason to leave either. Those fans who think OU is going to announce they are leaving the conference without a major show to follow aren't' being realistic as nothing similar has ever happened in realignment.

Oddly enough, this would make a pretty big contingent of UConn fans happy...
-men's hoops only fans-long to be in Big East
-women's hoops only fans-ditto
-football only fans -happy to be in Big 12
-hockey-perfectly content in hockey east
-fans of all sports-just glad we're not in the AAC

 

[HuskyHawk]

I don't think this is nearly as far fetched as you guys are making it out to be. When you step back from the situation and look at each interest involved it actually makes some sense.

ESPN doesn't' want to lose the AAC which they own for pennies on the dollar and neither FOX or ESPN want to shell out nearly a billion to add 4 schools to the Big 12.

When yo look at what the Big 12 wants adding schools isn't' really the priority, adding a CCG, increasing payouts, and increasing the chances a Big 12 schools gets in the playoff, are the goals they are after. This actually accomplished most of what they are after.

The Big 12 could easily decide that this accomplishes what they are after in the short term and this will allow them to monitor the landscape the next few years before they decide to let BYU and UConn join as full members and move forward with some sort of a conference network when these t-3 deals come to an end. Grab the 2 most valuable brands out there while not having to deal with the travel issues and other challenges BYU presents.

It's fun to say that Texas and OU are going to leave everyone behind but when you think about what that would actually take to happen it becomes apparent that them leaving is very unlikely for many reasons. Texas is quite happy with it's current situation and has no reason to go elsewhere. OU hs show to be unhappy but if 2/3 borens demands are met with a long term plan for a network OU really has no reason to leave either. Those fans who think OU is going to announce they are leaving the conference without a major show to follow aren't' being realistic as nothing similar has ever happened in realignment.

I don't think it is happening or truly makes sense, but it's not as far fetched as many suggest. The people out in the twitterverse saying "UConn Football! LOL!" miss a critical point. A school can only do this if it can find a viable home for its Olympic sports. BYU already has one as a football Independent, and UConn likely could get one with the Big East. I seriously doubt that Cinci, Houston, or either Florida school has that option really. Navy could pull it off obviously.

 

[JSB60]

This is too good to be true. UCONN football getting B12 revenue for what the program is? Found money. Big East basketball is still good, much better than AAC, and having the advantage of P5 football money would be a long run competitive advantage.

 

[MountainMan]

I don't think it is happening or truly makes sense, but it's not as far fetched as many suggest. The people out in the twitterverse saying "UConn Football! LOL!" miss a critical point. A school can only do this if it can find a viable home for its Olympic sports. BYU already has one as a football Independent, and UConn likely could get one with the Big East. I seriously doubt that Cinci, Houston, or either Florida school has that option really. Navy could pull it off obviously.

I am unclear why you think Cinci would not put it's sports in the Big East. Surely if Creighton is good enough Cincy would be.

 

[UConnJim]

Couldn't Cinci put it's other sports in the Big East?

No. The Big East took Xavier as their Cinci school and they will not take another school from Cinci. Same reason Big East never wanted Temple for all sports as Villanova was the Philly school.

 

[ShakyTheMohel]

The Dude 1,
Peter Griffin in Bikini & Roller Skates 0

Nooooo!!!! At least this one is a cartoon. The other one seriously was scary....like even when I scrolled his eyes followed me (shudder).

 

[MattMang23]

Nooooo!!!! At least this one is a cartoon. The other one seriously was scary....like even when I scrolled his eyes followed me (shudder).

No. McLovin. Bring him back.

You guys can't make up your minds. I have McLovin, people complain. I get asked to change it to someone modeling bikinis, I change it. Now you all want McLovin back... I can't win!

 

[MountainMan]

No. The Big East took Xavier as their Cinci school and they will not take another school from Cinci. Same reason Big East never wanted Temple for all sports as Villanova was the Philly school.

While that may have been the case back then a lot has changed since then. I suspect that FOX may have an interest in adding a bigger brand which Cinci is certainly a bigger brand than anyone in the BE from my perspective. To say that conference would turn down a much bigger brand than any current member may not be entirely true anymore. I can't think of any example where a bigger brand school was turned down by a conference. Can You?

 

[TRest]

While that may have been the case back then a lot has changed since then. I suspect that FOX may have an interest in adding a bigger brand which Cinci is certainly a bigger brand than anyone in the BE from my perspective. To say that conference would turn down a much bigger brand than any current member may not be entirely true anymore. I can't think of any example where a bigger brand school was turned down by a conference. Can You?

This opinion would cause a meltdown on a new BE school board. I would argue Georgetown and Villanova are both national brands by virtue of success in basketball greater than anything Cincy has done in 40 years.

 

[Slasher]

This opinion would cause a meltdown on a new BE school board. I would argue Georgetown and Villanova are both national brands by virtue of success in basketball greater than anything Cincy has done in 40 years.

I was curious but Georgetown and Cincy tournament histories are remarkably similar.

Georgetown 30 NCAA tournaments 1 title 5 final fours (47-29)
Cincinnati 30 NCAA tournaments 2 titles 6 final fours (44-29)
Villanova 36 NCAA tournaments 2 titles 5 final fours (57-35)


Xavier 26 NCAA tournaments 0 titles 0 final fours (24-26)

 

[MountainMan]

This opinion would cause a meltdown on a new BE school board. I would argue Georgetown and Villanova are both national brands by virtue of success in basketball greater than anything Cincy has done in 40 years.

Maybe in the NE part of the country but most of the country has no idea who any player or coach are on the georgetown team but likely know who Tommy Tupperware is from being a HC at Auburn and Tech and now Cinci. Villanova got some exposure with the NC but let's be real, the same was true about Villanova before that and even after Villanova is a nobody to most college fans. Hell most people from Oklahoma had no idea where Villanova was even from when they played in the final 4. I'm not kidding, they probably still have no idea and don't care. I bet if you asked fans in the South, Midwest, or West they have no idea where Villanova or Georgetown is even located. Small religious schools who play no football mean jack shit to them.

FOX might be interested if it was an option.

 

[Stinger92860]

I was curious but Georgetown and Cincy tournament histories are remarkably similar.

Georgetown 30 NCAA tournaments 1 title 5 final fours (47-29)
Cincinnati 30 NCAA tournaments 2 titles 6 final fours (44-29)
Villanova 36 NCAA tournaments 2 titles 5 final fours (57-35)


Xavier 26 NCAA tournaments 0 titles 0 final fours (24-26)

Look at the last 15-20 years at least since the field expanded to 64ish.

 

[mavblues]

You guys can't make up your minds. I have McLovin, people complain. I get asked to change it to someone modeling bikinis, I change it. Now you all want McLovin back... I can't win!

Just please no more Dude.

 

[Slasher]

Look at the last 15-20 years at least since the field expanded to 64ish.

Expanded to 64 in 1985. Since then:

Georgetown 21 NCAA tournaments, 0 titles, 2 final fours, 4 elite eights
Cincinnati 20 NCAA tournaments, 0 titles, 1 final four, 2 elite eights
Villanova 20 NCAA tournamentss, 2 titles, 3 final fours, 5 elite eights

 

[TRest]

Expanded to 64 in 1985. Since then:

Georgetown 21 NCAA tournaments, 0 titles, 2 final fours, 4 elite eights
Cincinnati 20 NCAA tournaments, 0 titles, 1 final four, 2 elite eights
Villanova 20 NCAA tournamentss, 2 titles, 3 final fours, 5 elite eights

When did Georgetown win, in 1984? Sure it's subjective, but more of a household name to me (who was at UConn when BE formed and probably a bit biased towards the original BE members).

 

[UConnJim]

Maybe in the NE part of the country but most of the country has no idea who any player or coach are on the georgetown team but likely know who Tommy Tupperware is from being a HC at Auburn and Tech and now Cinci. Villanova got some exposure with the NC but let's be real, the same was true about Villanova before that and even after Villanova is a nobody to most college fans. Hell most people from Oklahoma had no idea where Villanova was even from when they played in the final 4. I'm not kidding, they probably still have no idea and don't care. I bet if you asked fans in the South, Midwest, or West they have no idea where Villanova or Georgetown is even located. Small religious schools who play no football mean jack to them.

FOX might be interested if it was an option.

Strongly disagree. All college basketball fans know Villanova. Two Final Fours in the last 7 years including last year's national championship. Plus, probably the biggest upset of all time in a national championship game in 1985 over Georgetown. Under John Thompson, Georgetown was probably in the top 3 of college basketball brands, although it has faded somewhat.

Cinci is a solid, but not top brand in college basketball. Heck, the last time they were in the Final 8 was in 1996!

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Maybe in the NE part of the country but most of the country has no idea who any player or coach are on the georgetown team but likely know who Tommy Tupperware is from being a HC at Auburn and Tech and now Cinci. Villanova got some exposure with the NC but let's be real, the same was true about Villanova before that and even after Villanova is a nobody to most college fans. Hell most people from Oklahoma had no idea where Villanova was even from when they played in the final 4. I'm not kidding, they probably still have no idea and don't care. I bet if you asked fans in the South, Midwest, or West they have no idea where Villanova or Georgetown is even located. Small religious schools who play no football mean jack to them.

FOX might be interested if it was an option.

The Big East will always be relevant for basketball because the midwest and northeast have the biggest concentrations of basketball fans.

As I have said before, football is one more concussion study away from becoming a fringe sport.

 

[LoyalFanCT]

If this rumor turns out to be true -- UConn football only goes to B12, maybe instead of other sports going to Big East -- they can go to ACC.

 

[MountainMan]

Strongly disagree. All college basketball fans know Villanova. Two Final Fours in the last 7 years including last year's national championship. Plus, probably the biggest upset of all time in a national championship game in 1985 over Georgetown. Under John Thompson, Georgetown was probably in the top 3 of college basketball brands, although it has faded somewhat.

Cinci is a solid, but not top brand in college basketball. Heck, the last time they were in the Final 8 was in 1996!

I agree that under John Thompson Georgetown was on a national level, but that was a long time ago and has been forgotten by most.

I don't think people automatically decide to be fans of schools who make final fours. It's great and all but different than schools who have fans regardless of winning a tournament or getting to a final 4. Fans like that are short term and memories fade quickly once March is over and spring hits.

Most casual fans not form the NE pert of the country have no idea where Villanova is even located let alone consider them a national brand. Being the cinderella story of the tournament like VCU or Butler have been in recent history hardly makes you a big brand. It means for a couple of weeks in March you were a big deal. The other 50+ weeks a year the Georgetown's, Villanova's, Butler, VCU, Creightons of the world are regional at best and more likely just local brands nobody else pays attention to aside from the small (but rabid) fan bases. That's the downside to not being big public flagships like UConn who are more recognizable than all those put together and people actually know where UConn is located on a map.

This is essentially the equivalent of a West Coast guy claiming Gonzaga is a well known program when in reality most people in the country have no idea where it is located either and couldn't name a player or coach in thier entire AD.

Or a guy from the Midwest claiming that Creighton is a well known program when in reality most people in the country have no idea where they are located and couldn't name a player or coach in their AD.

All of those little cinderella schools like Wichita St, Creighton, Gonzaga, Villanova, Butler, VCU are neat but not recognized like Cinci is simply from playing football. People might have vague memories of those teams having a good tournament at some point but that doesn't mean they are tuning in for regular season games or follow the team in any way. But people including BIg 12 fans will be watching when Cinci plays Houston this weekend. Big 12 fans have zero interest in watching Big East events nor do fans of conference like the SEC or PAC.

 

[businesslawyer]

While that may have been the case back then a lot has changed since then. I suspect that FOX may have an interest in adding a bigger brand which Cinci is certainly a bigger brand than anyone in the BE from my perspective. To say that conference would turn down a much bigger brand than any current member may not be entirely true anymore. I can't think of any example where a bigger brand school was turned down by a conference. Can You?

The evidence of a troll is building up.

 

[Tenspro2002]

Even basketball-wise, the B12 is vastly preferable to the BE. Much more exposure, much more credibility as a fully-vested P5 member. Better competition, especially in WBB.

Of course, either is vastly preferable to the AAC, and I wouldn't look a gift horse in the mouth.

 

[MountainMan]

The Big East will always be relevant for basketball because the midwest and northeast have the biggest concentrations of basketball fans.

As I have said before, football is one more concussion study away from becoming a fringe sport.

It's a second or third tier conference in much of the Midwest unless you believe that Xavier is equal to tOSU or Creighton is equal to Nebraska. I have never lived in the Northeast but here in Nebraska the Big East is nothing and of the fans at the football game in Lincoln last week I doubt but a handful could even tell you a coach or player from most of the Big East schools. 99%+ would have no idea what schools are even in the Big East aside from Creighton.

Looking at the big picture football is the biggest sport on the college or pro level and it's' not even close. It's not going anywhere.

 

[MountainMan]

The evidence of a troll is building up.

Just because someone has a different perspective than yo do does not make them a troll. It just mens you are really sensitive and dont' handle other opinions well.

I have no idea why explaining to you how obscure the Big East conference is at this point bothers you but that is your issue not mine. When you don't play the most popular sport anymore, have removed all your large well known programs, and are left with small private schools dont' be surprised if people no longer follow the conference like they used to when UConn, V-TEch, Miami, Notre Dame were in it. That is some big brand power they lost. . Why does that bother you?

Cinci is better than anything they have now.