Sopranos not hold up?

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  1. G0UCONN

    G0UCONN

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    When I saw it years ago I thought maybe best series ever. Always been in my top 5 list. Especially the first few seasons with Liv and Junior going after Tony. As good as TV gets.

    Anywho watched it again recently with my son who had never seen it. Still real good but....just not as great as I remember it. Can’t put my finger on why. Maybe because have seen so many great series since that are better IMO....like Game of Thrones, Breaking Bad, Sons of Anarchy. Or maybe I am just insane.

    Anyway I was surprised at my opinion seeing it the second time. Still real good. Still in my top 10....but now closer to 10 and not as great as when first saw it.
     
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  2. SubbaBub

    SubbaBub Your stupidity is ruining my country.

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    This is exactly why.
     
  3. Mano

    Mano Mmm... brains

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    I'll probably never find out, I have a real problem when rewatching stuff that I've already seen. Tend to fall asleep.
     
  4. manbyrd

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    Watched entire series for the first time last summer. I'd put it top 5 for sure. Keeping in mind that it kicked off the prestige TV drama run HBO had and set the bar for years.

    I think dramas don't hold up on rewatch because the shock is gone, and unless its a show that is so intricate you have to rewatch to catch everything, there's not much you can get out of rewatches. Whereas I can watch the office or seinfeld episodes time and time again and still enjoy them as long as the jokes are still relevant.
     
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  5. John

    John Tootski?

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    I didn't sense that the Sopranos had the layers of nuance that the Wire (as an example) had. I've watched the entire Wire series three times now, and new things have jumped out at me each time. I've only watch Sopranos series once, but I don't remember it being particularly layered. It was what it was.
     
  6. nelsonmuntz

    nelsonmuntz Point Center

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    I think the Sopranos is still fantastic. It is a family drama, set with a very unusual family. Tony, Carmela, Junior, Livia, Meadow and their various cousins and associates are one of the most interesting collections of characters in any TV show in history. AJ sucked, but that was Robert Iler got cast because he looked right, not because he could act, and there was no way to fix it later. The fact that none of the key child actors in Game of Thrones face planted the same way is just dumb luck.

    I think the dialogue is still fantastic 20 years later. Combining key characters' ignorance with enough street sense to make them credible as running a multi million dollar criminal enterprise is not easy, and the Sopranos pulled it off. A mother ordering a hit on her son seems much less shocking in a show like Peaky Blinders than it did in the Sopranos. The antagonists were excellent, from Richie Aprile to Ralphie to Johnny Sack to Phil Leotardo.

    And the genius of the Sopranos was not just the villains or the big stories, but the themes of family and loyalty, especially when Tony's allies kept screwing up and getting him into trouble, especially Christopher.

    Some of the best shows on TV since (Big Love, Mad Men) have followed a similar twisting of the classic nuclear family drama.
     
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  7. Walker11

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    I just finished my first watching of the series tonight after a month long binge. The show definitely holds up. The quality of characters is second to none. As mentioned above, the dialogue is fantastic (the malapropisms are hilarious and I imagine I would pick up 3x more on a second rewatching) and Tony Soprano is probably the best character I have seen on t.v. My only qualm is that there were a handful of silly episode long subplots but the show spanned 86 episodes so its understandable.

    Edit. I posted this in the middle of watching the finale. I had already read about the ending and heard all the people complaining. And I was still taken aback by how unsatisfying it was. Just terrible.
     
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  8. 8893

    8893 Curiouser

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    I can never hear “All That You Dream” or “Don’t Stop Believing” without thinking about it.
     
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  9. Walker11

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    I imagine I will be the same way. I can't believe I am unsatisfied with the uncertainty of the ending. I mean, I knew people said it was unsatisfying and that Journey plays and that the screen fades to black and it is unknown if Tony lives or dies but the screen still cut to black way before I expected. Still, what a great show.
     
  10. Guapo

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    I'm currently rewatching it again with my wife, and I think it hold up surprisingly well.

    This is the first time in years that I've watched it and it almost has a period piece aspect to it now. A great little time capsule about what life was like in late 90's/Bush-era America. Kinda interesting.

    @John while I agree that it's not as nuanced as a show like the Wire, it does have a layers and I'd recommend rewatching it again.

    It's incredibly ahead of its time, it's the Beatles of prestige TV. Without it; Mad Men, The Wire, Breaking Bad etc etc would never have existed.
     
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  11. August_West

    August_West Viva la revolución

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    None of those shows touches the Sopranos. Even today. (my opinion) . Breaking bad is the closest to that stratosphere but still a distant 3rd behind Sopranos and Wire (which are 1 and 1a - and you can flip flop which is 1 and which is 1a and I wont ever argue it).
    Mad Men and GoT great shows. Not in the top 3 already mentioned though.

    Its way worth the rewatch. Nothing will EVER be like the Wire as far as the layering and rewatch value, but one thing about the Sopranos people forget is it couldve won awards as the best COMEDY on TV too. There is stuff in the Sopranos that makes me laugh harder than any intentional comedy ever written. I think you appreciate it more on the 2nd and repeated viewings on that front.
    Some of the greatest use of music ever on TV in that episode. What a feeling those tracks set up into that last scene. And they used Music so well throughout the whole show.
     
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  12. August_West

    August_West Viva la revolución

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    Some classic Sopranos humor moments.

    Chrissies intervention has to be about at the top of the list.

    The scene where all the crew is discussing Cleaver as "producers"

    Every scene with Little Carmine.
     
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  13. Guapo

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    "You killed the dog!? I outta kill YOU!" - Tony

    (Can't remember the actual line, but yeah the intervention is hilarious)

    Also, Paulie at the psychic
     
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  14. John

    John Tootski?

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    I like the episode where Paulie and Chris get stuck in the freezing woods when their car breaks down.
     
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  15. Guapo

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    "'Elvis Country'; where there are no Jews or Italians" - Paulie

    "Italians are Jews with better food" - Tony
     
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  16. August_West

    August_West Viva la revolución

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    fantastic


    "he was from Czechoslovakia, he was an interior decorator"

    "but his house looked like sh!iitt"
     
  17. John

    John Tootski?

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    and Drea de Matteo, she's an entire new thread in her own right.
     
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  18. August_West

    August_West Viva la revolución

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    How about when Chris pays for her to be a band manager/producer and she hires that ex boyfriends band (who is now sober) and Chris comes to the studio and the musicians dont want work anymore and Chris throws a syringe and some drugs at the guy and says " Spike up and get back to work" LOL

    and then beats him with a guitar.
     
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  19. storrsroars

    storrsroars Exiled in Pittsburgh

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    It must've been nice for the producers to work with a budget that allows for royalties. I agree they did a great job. I'd often watch the full credits to identify songs I wasn't all that familiar with.

    Mindhunter is getting close in use of contemporary tracks. Episode 4 which closed with the very obscure "Calling Occupants of Interplanetary Craft" by Klaatu from the mid-70s set up a brilliant closing scene.
     
  20. gampelcrazies

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    The Sopranos > Breaking Bad
     
  21. Kolumbo

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    I am currently watching The Sopranos from start to finish, for the first time in its entirety. My current theory on the final episode: Nothing happened because it is completely left up to the viewers' imaginations. Members Only Guy was actually a friend of T's there for protection.
     
  22. gampelcrazies

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    I still stand by this
     
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  23. temery

    temery What?

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    I couldn't get into Breaking Bad. The idea of a drugged up crazy science teacher just doesn't seem believable.
     
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    Don't get me wrong I love Breaking Bad but I can see where you are coming from. Breaking Bad's plot isn't the greatest especially compared to The Sopranos .

    People probably won't agree with me on this but I think Breaking Bad's spinoff/prequel Better Call Saul is better than Breaking Bad.
     
  25. JCSuperstar

    JCSuperstar Garbage Time All Star

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    He killed him. On first watch I they were showing the viewers the uncertainty of Tony's condition, how it could all fall apart at any minute, but in retrospect and particularly looking at the evidence laid out here, I don't think there's any ambiguity about the fact that he was killed.

    https://masterofsopranos.wordpress.com/the-sopranos-definitive-explanation-of-the-end/

    Soprano's was the best show ever made even with its flaws. To this day, I can waste an hour and a half letting YouTube autoplay one Soprano's clip after another. So many enjoyable characters and great writing.

    Leftovers and The Wire up there too, Breaking Bad is 2 tiers down. Fake artsy openers, lousy characters, the "You're goddamn right" scene had me laughing out loud...ooof.
     
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